How much Nudity can CS accept?

[student]

We feel this is not going to be something we can manage even at this point of time

I understand and I am OK with this.

Once again I ask for everyone understanding in this. We admins are definitely not living in caves lah. We struggle alot in terms of managing expectations from all sides.

But do you think that what SS mentioned was not consistent with what you wrote here?

 

[Deadpoet]

melnjes, change is inevitable, the only variable is when. For Singapore to become open to and accept nudity, like the northern European, will take generations. If ever there were a second exodus, it will have to start with discussion like this one. And this has been a good open discussion, sometime a rarity here on CS.

Maybe, I shall start the exodus, literally, no plans, but definately a seed has been planted. For my detractors, which there are a lot of them, I will continue to speak out, and carry the banner of being the "bleeding heart liberal" here on CS.

 

[Benign]

I am often confronted with the statement, " ... you don't like it here .... you complain too much ... why don't you leave ..." Well, since I am not from here, yes I can.

But, right now, I am here, because of work, and I am part of this society, like it or not, I like to see it change for the better.

Deadpoet,

What gives you the right to tell the people of another country to live the way you want to live? :bsmilie:

If I may ask, which country are you from? :think:
Is it as orderly and liberal as the country(ies) you are critical of......



狗嘴裡不長象牙 :bigeyes:

 

[Jason Ho]

I understand and I am OK with this.



But do you think that what SS mentioned was not consistent with what you wrote here?

Dont say no consistent lah, I respect each individual's thinking. Like what I mentioned before, some may feel comfortable, some may not. Some strongly support the idea, some strongly object, some anything also can.

And the admins are the ones who make the final decision. But then that doesnt mean no member or mods can thinking differently from us, right?

PS : by the way , there are 4 admins in CS. Darren, Edmund, Simon and me.

 

[Deadpoet]

Deadpoet,

What gives you the right to tell the people of another country to live the way you want to live? :bsmilie:

If I may ask, which country are you from? :think:
Is it as orderly and liberal as the country(ies) you are critical of......



狗嘴裡不長象牙 :bigeyes:

I would really appreciate it if my detractors actually read what I post. Since when did I tell Singaporean that they have to accept nudity. I merely started a discussion where by I stated my opinion. Actually, I had time and time again stated that I am not expecting any changes on CS or in Singapore.

What gives me the right? The right to freedom of expression and the fact that I am part of this society now. That gives me the right.

Where I am from, is not material. Nice try to trap me into a discussion about the merits between Singapore and wherever I came from.

Where I came from, has many short comings, but has just as many benefits, they averaged out. So is Singapore.

I really enjoy sparring with people who do not think logically. Why, because I am vain, I like to win!

 

[Deadpoet]

I have to apologise to Bobman and many others who contributed to this thread. I had to OT a few times becuase of attacks from my usual crowd of detractors. I like to steer this thread back on topic.

We all agree that CS will not allow nudity in the forseeable future, and we all agree that we are not pushing CS to do so. The question is, what next? There are photographers here who are master in the art of photographing nudes. I like to see their work. How? Any suggestions, with in the law of the land?

 

[Canonised]

We all agree that CS will not allow nudity in the forseeable future, and we all agree that we are not pushing CS to do so. The question is, what next? There are photographers here who are master in the art of photographing nudes. I like to see their work. How? Any suggestions, with in the law of the land?

These nude Masters should congregate and maybe do up a website for artistic photos (of course not housed in this Sin city) ..... :lovegrin:

 

[forward]

Back to topic else this will land us nowhere.
All is to know that the Art authority has given much approval to
such matters.

I could not remember well that a year or two ago,
artistic nude paintings and photographs were exhibited in the local
museum at the Bras Basah Road area. Deep understanding of the
nude figures were explained in detail in the exhibitions and many
art teachers brought their students to absorb whatever was display
for the purpose of art education in this format. Different types of nude
studies were explained with a brief history of why the nude figure is
used until today for humans who want to study and learn to appreciate
art in the first place.

Here you will find interesting and informative articles on the subject.
An acceptance of the bare nude human body as a form of
beauty and study will take time especially to people who don't care
about art or just stubborn to learn more about it.

Selfish human behaviors have lust into the various cultures of today.
Also the pretentious norm of humans got us into this **** of saying
that is bad. Not knowing that God has created human with the most
beautiful form, cover ups of the entire human features with black
attires were even in our streets.

Let there be encouragement, let there be slow transformation,
let there be more education on this aspect of art appreciation and
let all art teachers work harder with the educational ministry to
fullfill our dreams of being one of the most artistic country in this
region.

Cheers to all humans
on earth

 

[reachme2003]

HK and Japan has soft porn magazines on sale publicly. they are asian societies too.

Sorry to break the reality to you, the answer is probably none.

The problem lies not with the admin, but to how this society, the last bastion of "Victorian England" treats something as natural as a nude man or a nude woman.

However, this is not a unique thing here in Asia, but from my travels, aside from certain Muslim enclaves, Singapore is aboslutely the most conservative in terms of nudity.

 

[Benign]

I really enjoy sparring with people who do not think logically. Why, because I am vain, I like to win!

I see.....:bsmilie:

 

[Bobman]

DP, no problem about OT la.... Forward, you sound like one of my long lost friends.

 

[furrycake]

Erm, I think there're some CS users who are underage... no?

Well it's an endless discussion, regarding this subject "Nudity". Hmm just a thin line between "Arts" and "Porn"...no? Arts to one, porn to other.... as the saying goes, 'beauty' lies in the eyes of the beholder.

The thought of CS being classified as some "soft porn site" did come across my mind, if CS were to allow "Nudity" as the reactions of men and women vary when they see nude pics. Okay I shall keep quiet now as I think I'm not making much sense :sweat:

 

[Canonised]

Personally i feel that the authority is still living in the dark age where the subject of nudity is concerned. No doubt, before the age of broadband Internet (10 years ago?), it was very important to control all kind of things with sexual implications to the society because there were bound to be a lot of young and old people who misconstrued the whole meaning and misused the free flow of information. In the past, I personally would want more control on such sexual ideas to the society.
But this is 2006! any kids can access to all these by juz typing 4 letters .... N U D E and he will be lead to so many places beyond the control of anyone. Have you watch the latest MTV, some Taiwanese talkshows, etc... or even read some of the blogs by some local young female?
The authority should not pretend that the young generations are so innocent like what we were many years ago. :think:
I think a nude female photo is no more "a big deal" to the new gen.....

 

[forward]

Now you see, and now you don't. Just a matter of hiccup I suppose.
In every developed countries there are always minors, else there
won't be the human race. So what's the fuss that there are minors
in photo forums, or is it that occurs in this particular case. There are
thousands of photo forums where minors can visit and many others
on the web that they can thirst for this knowledge.

Just read this article and thought it might be good to share.

On Nudity

Yesterday, for some odd reason or other, I came to think about Nudity.

Now, nudity is heavily attacked by many forces on Planet Earth, and most of them use religion as an excuse, and the rest use morality.

Personally, I think they just can't face it, and so figure that nobody else should either.

They apparently reason (if such "thinking" can be called reasoning at all), that nudity leads to thoughts of sex, and that thoughts of sex leads to loose sexual relations, which is immoral. Well, I agree that indiscriminate sexual lifestyles is a highly doubtful proposition (these days it can even be fatal), but I disagree that trying to censor other people's thoughts is the solution.

I even more disagree that censoring nudity is the solution. Ask yourself: Why on Earth would we think anything different about a human being, just because he/she does not wear clothes? We are not born clothed, they are an additive. (Was it Jerry Falwell who said: "If God had intended us to be naked, he would have made us that way!"?)

If we were surrounded all the time by nude people, do you think we would think about sex all the time? Of course not, we would get used to it. So it follows that the reason nudity has a tendency to remind us of sex is that we are stopped continually from seeing nude people. And that it is quite unnatural.

It gets worse. I will hold that suppressing nudity is a crime in itself. Think of a very beautiful woman you have seen nude. I ask you, could you imagine anything covering up that, which would be as beautiful?

And if covering up beauty is not a crime, I don't know what is. It is like putting brown paper over the world's greatest painting, or building a house with the greatest view, and leave no windows in the house.

Of course, if the body is ugly, cover it. But that is an aesthetic choice, not a fake moral one, I can live with that.

In short, artificial insistence on covering God's greatest creation has led to a state where everyone, seeing a nude body, immediately thinks about sex, and so are distracted from the more important issue, the natural beauty of the supreme creation.

I really believe this, it is not just a clever excuse to be allowed to drool over sexy chicks. I really believe that a lot of art and beauty is denied us by medieval attitudes and emotional arguments. The most natural subject of art is of course members of one's own species, and the most natural state for them to be in is of course without adornments or coverings. And so the most basic form of all art, the nude, is being bent, folded and twisted into a small, unnatural niche where it doesn't fit, the sexual.

I met a potential model, whom did not have artistic reasons for considering modeling (She was a physical therapist, and wanted photos showing the correct way to hold the body, of all things), which probably contributed to her lack of understanding. I showed her some of my work, and she did not see art at all. She asked me three times what my intentions were in wanting to photograph her nude, and I explained in detail every time! She finally declined, because she still did not understand, and so didn't feel "secure"! And I never have problems gaining people's confidence! It is simply that art depicting people without their bodies covered is the exception, not the rule. How on Earth did we get to this condition of affairs?! (Probably by covering up for warmth, and then getting into the habit and forgetting how it came about.) (Of course, when I started explaining about The Dirty Old Men's Association International, and she just looked at me with big serious eyes, not getting the humour at all, I already knew that the situation was lost.)

I am genuinely thankful for people in the past fighting the good fight for allowing us to see girls in the buff. But I would like to broaden the perspective a bit, and make us realize that it is not at all limited to sex. It is about a much more important issue; aesthetics.

Aesthetics is very, very important for our well-being. Without aesthetics, life is a cold, bottomless pit without interest at all. What sells music? What sells make-up? What sells cars? What sells movies? Aesthetics is what. I refer you to the DOMAI Pledge for our position on that.

Think about it: Many of us live in cultures where, if parents see a person without clothes, or just a picture of one, they cover the eyes of their children! Simply the sight of an unhidden body of another member of the species is though to be traumatic to children! Is it any wonder we grow up to be so ****ed up as we are?

Dare to be brave. Granted, today one can be attacked in the press, and that is not pleasant with the state of "journalism" we have. But a few hundred years ago, wrong-believers were decapitated, nailed to things, and burned on bonfires! It hardly compares.

Join the fight for freedom of speech, freedom of creation, and freedom of thought and looking. With freedom comes life. And life is all.

Eolake Stobblehouse

 

[furrycake]

Personally i feel that the authority is still living in the dark age where the subject of nudity is concerned. No doubt, before the age of broadband Internet (10 years ago?), it was very important to control all kind of things with sexual implications to the society because there were bound to be a lot of young and old people who misconstrued the whole meaning and misused the free flow of information. In the past, I personally would want more control on such sexual ideas to the society.
But this is 2006! any kids can access to all these by juz typing 4 letters .... N U D E and he will be lead to so many places beyond the control of anyone. Have you watch the latest MTV, some Taiwanese talkshows, etc... or even read some of the blogs by some local young female?
The authority should not pretend that the young generations are so innocent like what we were many years ago. :think:
I think a nude female photo is no more "a big deal" to the new gen.....

Well, with the wide usage of internet, kids could have easy access to porn whenever they get their hands on.
The only question that i have now, is that whether CS would be officially made a site which allows nude pics.:think:

 

[Canonised]

Even Indonesia (the world's biggest concentration of Muslims) has allowed (unimaginable) for the publication of a local edition of Playboy! to be sold at all public newstands soon. This is equilvalent to a dozen females parading naked on Orchard Road .... :think:

 

[Benign]

Personally i feel that the authority is still living in the dark age where the subject of nudity is concerned. No doubt, before the age of broadband Internet (10 years ago?), it was very important to control all kind of things with sexual implications to the society because there were bound to be a lot of young and old people who misconstrued the whole meaning and misused the free flow of information. In the past, I personally would want more control on such sexual ideas to the society.
But this is 2006! any kids can access to all these by juz typing 4 letters .... N U D E and he will be lead to so many places beyond the control of anyone. Have you watch the latest MTV, some Taiwanese talkshows, etc... or even read some of the blogs by some local young female?
The authority should not pretend that the young generations are so innocent like what we were many years ago.
I think a nude female photo is no more "a big deal" to the new gen.....

So, if the world is out of 'order'. Must we act reckless or be ignorant about it. :think:




Edmund Burke: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.”

 

[furrycake]

So, if the world is out of 'order'. Must we act reckless or be ignorant about it. :think:




Edmund Burke: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.”

From what I understand, there're internet policemen....... Hmmm........

 

[Canonised]

The only question that i have now, is that whether CS would be officially made a site which allows nude pics.:think:

Definately NO..... and personally I agree with the mods' decision.
We are just a member of the Sin city and if our parents decide that we should behave, then we should behave. it is not for us to change but instead we will try to change our parents' view. I feel the gov is trying but personally i think they are too kiasu and as such the progress is too slow, IMHO. But one day if our parents give us some direct indication, then CS will definately get the point, but really we dont know when that day will come......
Many times not even the Home Affairs (read, POLICE) staff understand the direction the chief wanted ..... Elephant and Orchard rd cases .... :thumbsd: why then should CS mods want to take the risk for us?
So let's us move on and forget about asking CS to allow such naked postings..... :bsmilie:

 

[furrycake]

Definately NO..... and personally I agree with the mods' decision.
We are just a member of the Sin city and if our parents decide that we should behave, then we should behave. it is not for us to change but instead we will try to change our parents' view. I feel the gov is trying but personally i think they are too kiasu and as such the progress is too slow, IMHO. But one day if our parents give us some direct indication, then CS will definately get the point, but really we dont know when that day will come......
Many times not even the Home Affairs (read, POLICE) staff understand the direction the chief wanted ..... Elephant and Orchard rd cases .... :thumbsd: why then should CS mods want to take the risk for us?
So let's us move on and forget about asking CS to allow such naked postings..... :bsmilie:

I think even though they keep saying SG has improved and Singaporeans more liberalised over the years, we do know the real answers, dont we ? I think ive said enough