Here comes Nikon D200... finally a reality

[espn]

Yah lor....so slow that God knows how many disgruntled Nikon users got sick of waiting and have jumped ship to other brands. ;p I personally know of at least one person who did that.

But well, for those who waited long enuff, ur patience is rewarded. Lets see how the specs goes, looks like a "D2X-Lite" in a D100 sized body, I think the most critical factors are AF performance and high ISO noise. We'll just have to wait and see...

I'm not sick of waiting, but just wished that it would have appeared earlier, because the D70 with the features (mostly) already appeared last year, probably because of the D2X launch and D2X R&D that's why D200 was delayed?

My priority on the D200 was the 3D MMII, AF module (>cam1300), NEF buffer. I not that bothered by ISO issues. It would have been good to be faster abit, I've no complains on the specs on the upcoming D200 definitely, especially the pricing

 

[litefoot]

True, but at least better than having to recall their products like *that* pro lens. Or having firmware patches/upgrades frequently like every other week, some of which not QC'ed properly, kills camera and need to go back for servicing...

All have their fair share of service advisories. QC is an operational problem, it does not translate to a flaw in design if the design is proven right from the drawing board as well as a sample from its production line.

If accepting the D100 which was released since Feb 02 as well as discontinuing it way before the announcement of its replacement is alright to you, I am not going to dispute that.

Its no longer like the days of film where the flagship model has a span of 7-8 years. 3 over years to replace a digital mid-range model which is used by more people is way too long by my standard.

But still.... Cheers to D200. Thanks for the reason for me to Upz this thread for the day till D200 hits the stores.

 

[BurgaFlippinMan]

More unconfirmed rumour of D200 specs, supposedly from an "official" leak,

Sensor type: CCD (not CMOS?). DX type (i.e. 1.5x crop), ~10 megapixels
Total of 11 AF points, 1 cross-type, AF mode switch to group them into 7 'enhanced' focusing points. (CAM2000 II?)
5FPS, adjustable to 1~4 fps, with 18 NEF buffer.
ISO 100~1600, with HI-1 support to enable 3200.
MF support, FP

Still nothing can be confirmed till the actual announcement date, so have to wait and see...

official or unoffical....just ONE crosstype AF point? :dunno:

Eg. D2X gives 90% of the practical functionality of 1DsMkII and yet cost less than a 1DMkIIN at street price of S$6800 (local warranty). Why do you think Phil Askey, a Canon Pro, said what he said in the conclusion of his 1DsMkII review .

Askey even said in the forums he actually toyed with 'Recommended' for the 1Ds2 because of the D2x.

 

[markccm]

patience is a virtue.

save the best for last.

 

[espn]

You're right about the D100 price.

It is the current strategy by Nikon, the Pining maneouvre if you play chess. Simply give 80-90% of the function of the higher end competitor but match the price of the lower end.

Eg. D2X gives 90% of the practical functionality of 1DsMkII and yet cost less than a 1DMkIIN at street price of S$6800 (local warranty). Why do you think Phil Askey, a Canon Pro, said what he said in the conclusion of his 1DsMkII review .

Similarly, D200 will give 80-90% (specs not out yet ) of the 1DMkIIN and yet priced at 20D. There were witnesses present who heard when I said this a few months ago...

Make that 95% for HSCM and CLS capabilities.

Nope... the D200 can do more, but speed wise still untested, but for sure, it's faster than 20D. CLS, higher NEF buffer, better controls interface, I appreciate the ISO/QUAL/WB button on the dial now, it is better than D100's for sure. My only nit is the CF door now... :think:

 

[espn]

The D100 and D70 still makes good photo... :sticktong Unless they died, have the cameras been losing its ability to take photo or because of equipment w*nking again?

They do, I still love my ex-D100 over the D70 tho'. But certain stuff like buffer, AF speed, i-TTL was not there on D100, minus D70 which came with i-TTL. The D200 at least have it solved. I **** over equipment, don't you know ;p

 

[plsoong]

Make that 95% for HSCM and CLS capabilities.

Nope... the D200 can do more, but speed wise still untested, but for sure, it's faster than 20D. CLS, higher NEF buffer, better controls interface, I appreciate the ISO/QUAL/WB button on the dial now, it is better than D100's for sure. My only nit is the CF door now... :think:

:bsmilie:

dang

 

[espn]

What what? Did I say something? :what:

 

[Garion]

official or unoffical....just ONE crosstype AF point? :dunno:

Up till now all rumoured specs are unofficial since the product has not even been officially announced yet (prolly on 1st Nov). But the grapevine is that there are 11-point AF sensors as seen on one of the leaked pics of the top LCD panel, thus it must be some kind of new MultiCAM AF module, prolly a modified one from the current CAM2000 used in D2 models, but featuring one cross-type sensor only instead of 9.

Askey even said in the forums he actually toyed with 'Recommended' for the 1Ds2 because of the D2x.

Lol. The gulf in pricing is there....and its a BIG one. Granted of course the 1Ds2 is a full frame sensor, but I think pricewise the D2x looks a more attractive alternative, unless u have heavily invested in Canon lenses or you are a working pro who needs the FF and can afford the 1Ds2.

 

[litefoot]

I'm not sick of waiting, but just wished that it would have appeared earlier, because the D70 with the features (mostly) already appeared last year, probably because of the D2X launch and D2X R&D that's why D200 was delayed?

My priority on the D200 was the 3D MMII, AF module (>cam1300), NEF buffer. I not that bothered by ISO issues. It would have been good to be faster abit, I've no complains on the specs on the upcoming D200 definitely, especially the pricing

I will definitely be sold with just two reasons:

1) Improved noise control on higher ISO
2) Better WB accuracy

I am in if Nikon sort these out in this mid range body. The rest will be a bonus....

Can't wait to chew on this sweet grass....

 

[espn]

Up till now all rumoured specs are unofficial since the product has not even been officially announced yet (prolly on 1st Nov). But the grapevine is that there are 11-point AF sensors as seen on one of the leaked pics of the top LCD panel, thus it must be some kind of new MultiCAM AF module, prolly a modified one from the current CAM2000 used in D2 models, but featuring one cross-type sensor only instead of 9.

You come to NUG, I tell you the specs deal? But must promise to bring your 1DMKIIN lend me play ;p

One disturbing factor you just reminded me is the layout/design of the top LCD. Sigh, they didn't use the D2 design.

Lol. The gulf in pricing is there....and its a BIG one. Granted of course the 1Ds2 is a full frame sensor, but I think pricewise the D2x looks a more attractive alternative, unless u have heavily invested in Canon lenses or you are a working pro who needs the FF and can afford the 1Ds2.

If I need FF, I can use Kodak 14n, it IS a FF F-mount. If I'm a working PRO, I go with who can provide me what, and for DSLRs, Nikon has given me a solution for it's 1.5X FLM.

The DX glasses. 10.5FE DX, 12-24 f/4 DX, 17-55 f/2.8 DX.

 

[Watcher]

All have their fair share of service advisories. QC is an operational problem, it does not translate to a flaw in design if the design is proven right from the drawing board as well as a sample from its production line.

True, but my opinion is that the flare issue is more of a design issue...

If accepting the D100 which was released since Feb 02 as well as discontinuing it way before the announcement of its replacement is alright to you, I am not going to dispute that.

Its no longer like the days of film where the flagship model has a span of 7-8 years. 3 over years to replace a digital mid-range model which is used by more people is way too long by my standard.

But still.... Cheers to D200. Thanks for the reason for me to Upz this thread for the day till D200 hits the stores.

I do agree that Nikon should get their horses moving; don't get me wrong, but the reason to upgrade should not be equipment w*nking, rather having an actual need.

 

[espn]

I will definitely be sold with just two reasons:

1) Improved noise control on higher ISO
2) Better WB accuracy

The rest will be a bonus....

Can't wait to chew on this sweet grass....

WB accruracy is quite high on the D2X, I don't know about the D200, but if based on the same processing logic (LSI) for D70 with the reputed 1005 RGB pixel sensor, it should be very dangerously near.

Noise is not an issue seriously with the right tools, I'm more concerned is the AF speed, I was suckered when D100 had only 4 NEF buffer Now it seems like a Mini-D2X is born. They even built the 10 pin remote on the D200 body this time instead of optional purchase on the MB-D200. :thumbsup:

Only nit, still the same blardy 10pin cap, why they can't do what they did for F6?

 

[Garion]

I'm not sick of waiting, but just wished that it would have appeared earlier, because the D70 with the features (mostly) already appeared last year, probably because of the D2X launch and D2X R&D that's why D200 was delayed?

My priority on the D200 was the 3D MMII, AF module (>cam1300), NEF buffer. I not that bothered by ISO issues. It would have been good to be faster abit, I've no complains on the specs on the upcoming D200 definitely, especially the pricing

Regarding high ISO noise, it is still quite subjective and depends on the individual shooting needs also, but ISO noise maybe of prime concern for pros/semi-pros who need a good back-up or primary camera to shoot low-light events, sports, etc. (where ISO 1600 is a norm). So if this is an all new CCD sensor, most would hope that the noise reduction will be improved at higher ISO levels. Noise aside, the other important factor is the AF module, it looks like some kind of hybrid CAM2000, with 11 pts and all, but the thing is will it be as fast focusing as the D2 series? I'm sure it will definitely be faster than D70/100, but prolly not as fast as the D2 series. Weather-sealing - also prolly not, to distinguish it from their higher end models.

 

[plsoong]

True, but my opinion is that the flare issue is more of a design issue...

I do agree that Nikon should get their horses moving; don't get me wrong, but the reason to upgrade should not be equipment w*nking, rather having an actual need.

and i believe some of us DO have an actual NEED

Need to upgrade to deliver results WITHIN budget....

 

[espn]

True, but my opinion is that the flare issue is more of a design issue...

Quit it Watcher, you know, I know, let's leave it at there before you-know-what will happen We all know about 17-35, 16-35 and 17-40 story

I do agree that Nikon should get their horses moving; don't get me wrong, but the reason to upgrade should not be equipment w*nking, rather having an actual need.

Actually, I'm happy with the D100, the only reason if I *HAVE* to upgrade, would be the buffer and CAM module, seriously 4 NEFs is a joke, I don't need Cam2000, but anything above Cam800 is good, and I can see Nikon has done a different CAM module this time. I also see the familiar 4 focusing switch points located behind, wooo, definitely has cross-type sensors, just need to see how many.

Other than that, I'm pretty happy with the D100, 3fps is fine, but the buffer... the BUFFER!!!

The control locations + controls available is all so sweeeet. I LURVE it!

 

[Watcher]

Make that 95% for HSCM and CLS capabilities.

Aiyah, I have to be humble mah, later people say I exagerate and look/put down the other brand lah... Some even go as far as to call people who can justify for DX format "fools"

 

[litefoot]

True, but my opinion is that the flare issue is more of a design issue...

I do agree that Nikon should get their horses moving; don't get me wrong, but the reason to upgrade should not be equipment w*nking, rather having an actual need.

Lets stop this.

I am rather tired that you *sneak fark* my kah chng and while I fark yours back you come running after mine....

Cheers to D200.

 

[Watcher]

They do, I still love my ex-D100 over the D70 tho'. But certain stuff like buffer, AF speed, i-TTL was not there on D100, minus D70 which came with i-TTL. The D200 at least have it solved. I **** over equipment, don't you know ;p

You is another CBD case :bsmilie:

 

[plsoong]

WB accruracy is quite high on the D2X, I don't know about the D200, but if based on the same processing logic (LSI) for D70 with the reputed 1005 RGB pixel sensor, it should be very dangerously near.

Noise is not an issue seriously with the right tools, I'm more concerned is the AF speed, I was suckered when D100 had only 4 NEF buffer Now it seems like a Mini-D2X is born. They even built the 10 pin remote on the D200 body this time instead of optional purchase on the MB-D200. :thumbsup:

Only nit, still the same blardy 10pin cap, why they can't do what they did for F6?

Film Rules :sticktong



but for me, noise level, colour reproducibility and DR is EXTREMELY important. of course DR should be alot improved from deesebenty..... but thats "i hope so". then again, D70 WB sometimes go abit haywired.....esp after shooting continuous for sometime......maybe its just my cam go mad...

If they are using CCD, i'm pretty confident about its ability to handle noise at higher iso, just a matter for some dudes to start their comparison with S3 blah blah blah... still, eager to see its performance..... coz that will be the pivoting point in many's decision