Here comes Nikon D200... finally a reality

[espn]

Regarding high ISO noise, it is still quite subjective and depends on the individual shooting needs also, but ISO noise maybe of prime concern for pros/semi-pros who need a good back-up or primary camera to shoot low-light events, sports, etc. (where ISO 1600 is a norm). So if this is an all new CCD sensor, most would hope that the noise reduction will be improved at higher ISO levels. Noise aside, the other important factor is the AF module, it looks like some kind of hybrid CAM2000, with 11 pts and all, but the thing is will it be as fast focusing as the D2 series? I'm sure it will definitely be faster than D70/100, but prolly not as fast as the D2 series. Weather-sealing - also prolly not, to distinguish it from their higher end models.

The NR on the D2X is pretty good, only problem is that at ISO400 it automatically kicks in regardless you turn on/off/low/med/hi on the in-camera NR, the option only adds in more NR on top of the flat layer that is to be applied. Saddening, but the output is very usable and very clean. So for the D200, I'm pretty sure, the NR and the noise control will be a better one, I've faith in it. Another tool is the Nikon Capture, it does come with noise ninja engine now. So, what's noise?

The AF module is not Cam2000, but it's not Cam1300 either...

 

[Watcher]

Quit it Watcher, you know, I know, let's leave it at there before you-know-what will happen We all know about 17-35, 16-35 and 17-40 story

Yes oh mighty (Nikon) king

 

[espn]

Aiyah, I have to be humble mah, later people say I exagerate and look/put down the other brand lah... Some even go as far as to call people who can justify for DX format "fools"

You? Humble? My foot ;p

 

[Watcher]

You? Humble? My foot ;p

Of course, me just a simple, wandering ghost You even said so!

 

[espn]

You is another CBD case :bsmilie:

Hey, personal attacks not allowed!!!

Film Rules :sticktong

No, slides rule.

but for me, noise level, colour reproducibility and DR is EXTREMELY important. of course DR should be alot improved from deesebenty..... but thats "i hope so". then again, D70 WB sometimes go abit haywired.....esp after shooting continuous for sometime......maybe its just my cam go mad...

D2X has about 10 stops of DR as fedback from scanner, I've pushed the colours and adjusted the curves fiercely, it's there, DR, performance, speed, noise, everything.

But, however, the D200 is still a consumer grade body, don't expect a professional grade sensor, but if like it's predecessor (D100), I'm very sure the camera's DR is definitely above what D70 can do, D70's DR is pretty limited IMHO. One reason why I still prefer my Ex-D100 over my Ex-D70. I never regretted selling my D70, but I really regretted selling my D100.

If they are using CCD, i'm pretty confident about its ability to handle noise at higher iso, just a matter for some dudes to start their comparison with S3 blah blah blah... still, eager to see its performance..... coz that will be the pivoting point in many's decision

Let's put it this way. The S3's selling point is only the Super CCD and it's DR.

Speed, buffer, controls, i-TTL, CLS, blah blah, is all not there. I'm not being biased, but for the same amount of money say, $3K.

Which would I go for? D200 or S3 PRO? The 3K looks more worthy for the D200, ain't it?

 

[jnet6]

The NR on the D2X is pretty good, only problem is that at ISO400 it automatically kicks in regardless you turn on/off/low/med/hi on the in-camera NR, the option only adds in more NR on top of the flat layer that is to be applied. Saddening, but the output is very usable and very clean. So for the D200, I'm pretty sure, the NR and the noise control will be a better one, I've faith in it. Another tool is the Nikon Capture, it does come with noise ninja engine now. So, what's noise?

The AF module is not Cam2000, but it's not Cam1300 either...

NC come with noise ninja???

is it better then cam 1300 or not?

 

[espn]

Of course, me just a simple, wandering ghost You even said so!

Then go back to where you belong :bsmilie:

 

[litefoot]

... then again, D70 WB sometimes go abit haywired.....esp after shooting continuous for sometime......maybe its just my cam go mad...

Same observation especially in low available light, the WB can just go off from one frame to another. I never trust the AWB on my D70s.

 

[espn]

NC come with noise ninja???

is it better then cam 1300 or not?

Yes, NC 4.2 already incorporated the engine in. IIRC.

Yes

 

[jnet6]

Yes, NC 4.2 already incorporated the engine in. IIRC.

Yes

Roger...
no wander, i begin to like NC 4.3 more liao...
done some NR on my pics. looks gd.
i just need AF cam that i can use the "side" focus properly... now stuck in center... hehe

 

[litefoot]

Which would I go for? D200 or S3 PRO? The 3K looks more worthy for the D200, ain't it?

My sentiment. There are still things that Nikon is able to offer that 3rd parties like Kodak and Fuji dun.

 

[plsoong]

No, slides rule.

But, however, the D200 is still a consumer grade body, don't expect a professional grade sensor, but if like it's predecessor (D100), I'm very sure the camera's DR is definitely above what D70 can do, D70's DR is pretty limited IMHO. One reason why I still prefer my Ex-D100 over my Ex-D70. I never regretted selling my D70, but I really regretted selling my D100.



Let's put it this way. The S3's selling point is only the Super CCD and it's DR.

Speed, buffer, controls, i-TTL, CLS, blah blah, is all not there. I'm not being biased, but for the same amount of money say, $3K.

Which would I go for? D200 or S3 PRO? The 3K looks more worthy for the D200, ain't it?

oh yes, i concur, slides rulez

and yes, S3pro's selling point is its DR and noise control. and yes, for 3K (ooops leak? :sweat: kidding) for VALUE wise, i'd say D200.

Then again, it depends on each and individual wants for you, i know speed of AF and buffer is top priority. for me, DR + noise control.

now its just a matter of how much better is the DR of D200 over D70...if its not THAT great a leap, i'd just stay with dee sebenty ..... or F80 with slides LOL!!!!:bsmilie:

 

[plsoong]

Same observation especially in low available light, the WB can just go off from one frame to another. I never trust the AWB on my D70s.

yar, blardy frustrating at times...


sometimes the picture looks extremely WIERD!

like almost washed out colours because of the WB not being consistent

 

[jnet6]

yar, blardy frustrating at times...


sometimes the picture looks extremely WIERD!

like almost washed out colours because of the WB not being consistent

need NEF to correct e WB by yrself...
more PP. sians...

 

[markccm]

if only they had that liquid paper mark on the D200 body just like the D2 bodies ;p

 

[plsoong]

if only they had that liquid paper mark on the D200 body just like the D2 bodies ;p

:bsmilie:

u go and put your pentel liquid paper mark lor

 

[markccm]

:bsmilie:

u go and put your pentel liquid paper mark lor

idea leh :bsmilie:

 

[espn]

oh yes, i concur, slides rulez

No fight there right? You know I know hee..

and yes, S3pro's selling point is its DR and noise control. and yes, for 3K (ooops leak? :sweat: kidding) for VALUE wise, i'd say D200.

Then again, it depends on each and individual wants for you, i know speed of AF and buffer is top priority. for me, DR + noise control.

now its just a matter of how much better is the DR of D200 over D70...if its not THAT great a leap, i'd just stay with dee sebenty ..... or F80 with slides LOL!!!!:bsmilie:

It's a matter of workflow and tools used.

Noise is as much as you fail to meter and expose correctly, isn't it? Tools are there to clean up images, there are some very outstanding tools, some even do batch! DR is now available with NC and PS if you do it carefully. If let's say the DR+noise control is about 70-80% that of the S3, with additional features like AF speed, buffer, etc, it's not only evened out, it tipped the scales. Minor issues only.

As for DR of D200 over D70, the D100 had better DR, so I'm sure the D200 is better, but by how much, definitely better, I don't know how much either.

 

[plsoong]

It's a matter of workflow and tools used.

yar thats y i really dun like spending time to batch noise reduction b4 starting to work on the images...then again, some others have different experience and workflow. generally, for me, the lower the better

Noise is as much as you fail to meter and expose correctly, isn't it?

not entirely

As for DR of D200 over D70, the D100 had better DR, so I'm sure the D200 is better, but by how much, definitely better, I don't know how much either.

yeah, that IS what will tip the scales more than noise for me

 

[espn]

yar thats y i really dun like spending time to batch noise reduction b4 starting to work on the images...then again, some others have different experience and workflow. generally, for me, the lower the better

Spending time? I get home start the thingie, I go sleep already or do my other work. I don't sit there and watch the screen lor. Where got time ;p

yeah, that IS what will tip the scales more than noise for me

It's overhyped actually.