False information from Shoot Organiser, alinkinyourlife

[JayKay]

Please refer to the thread, titled Babe Watch 4 - Air Stewardess Special

http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4928277#post4928277

The last post (#33) is untrue.

The organiser cancelled the shoot 45 mins before the shoot was due to commence when I and 2 of my buddies were already enroute to the location.
Earlier, on 27.3.09 at 1.55pm I was advised to meet at Tanjong Beach for the shoot.
The shoot which was proclaimed "full house" and I was never given any indication it would be otherwise and infact received another sms in the early hours of the morning of the shoot (1.36 a.m. to be exact) when I was asked to re-confirm my attendance, which sleepy as I was, I did.
From comparing our sms messages, I found the same happened to my other buddies. My buddy did highlight the night before that there was a big event going on at Tanjong Beach at the same time and was told it would not be a problem. In fact, we were all surprised that the confirmation of the shoot and instruction to meet at Tanjong Beach came from one handphone number, 96971397, whereas the cancellation sms came from HP # 81333007. One of my buddies replied telling him we were already on the way and requested confirmation but there was no reply. We found it hard to believe the reason given that many members had withdrawn from the shoot in the course of the night before. The minimum ratio was advertised as 4 photographers: 1 model and there were already 3 of us and only 1 more was need to proceed if 1 model was dropped. It is not plausible that all the other 7 members pulled out in 7-1/2 hours prior to the morning shoot.
I intended to raise the question in this thread but upon returning home in the night I found the thread moved to archives and locked with the last entry thanking participants and stated that it was a successful shoot which afaik is incorrect.
Also there is a post by MikeElliot complaining of this problem
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4931664&postcount=105
Can the shoot organiser, alinkinyourlife, please verify whether the shoot was cancelled and whether it is a model or the particpants who withdrew and who they are.
It might be in the interest of the named participants to respond if they did indeed withdraw or received the same cancellation sms.
Once the situation is clarified, we can look at how to improve.

 

[Astin]

I had the same issue. On Friday received sms the shoot would proceed and asked to transfer payment, and to meet at Tanjong beach on Sat when the shoot supposed to start at 9am. On Sat 8.05am (I was almost at the Sentosa gateway), I received sms that the shoot was cancelled, and alinkinyourlife (Zell) explained that there were photographers who cancelled at last minute, according to him, 3 pulled out and 2 were sick. I had done some check, the other handphone number (81333007) belonged to Zell's assistant (Chevin?), and Chevin was supposed to organize the shoot and Zell said he "wont be around".

 

[nightwolf75]

if there are any concrete evidence to any hanky-panky by the organisers, pls drop a PM to Darren or Edmund? at the end of the day, the principle of caveat emptor holds.

please also take note - http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4553171&postcount=7

if there's any evidence from the participants that the organiser is sub-contracting out the shoot, please also inform Darren or Edmund. thank you.

 

[vince123123]

Wah this is what you get when new organiser meets seasoned veterans. With names like Mike & Astin around, how to play play? Some more, Astin used to be organiser hehehe

 

[JayKay]

I had the same issue. On Friday received sms the shoot would proceed and asked to transfer payment, and to meet at Tanjong beach on Sat when the shoot supposed to start at 9am. On Sat 8.05am (I was almost at the Sentosa gateway), I received sms that the shoot was cancelled, and alinkinyourlife (Zell) explained that there were photographers who cancelled at last minute, according to him, 3 pulled out and 2 were sick. I had done some check, the other handphone number (81333007) belonged to Zell's assistant (Chevin?), and Chevin was supposed to organize the shoot and Zell said he "wont be around".

Thanks for the response. That makes 4 of us who were already enroute when the shoot was cancelled. More importantly, there was a chance for the shoot to proceed if only the organiser had tried a consultative approach to the problem rather than arbitrarily cancelling it.

if there are any concrete evidence to any hanky-panky by the organisers, pls drop a PM to Darren or Edmund? at the end of the day, the principle of caveat emptor holds.

please also take note - http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4553171&postcount=7

if there's any evidence from the participants that the organiser is sub-contracting out the shoot, please also inform Darren or Edmund. thank you.

Thanks for pointing the policy out. However, my aim was primarily to get feedback to understand the situation. As such, I suggest we hear from the others involved, especially what the organiser has to say, before drawing a final conclusion.

Wah this is what you get when new organiser meets seasoned veterans. With names like Mike & Astin around, how to play play? Some more, Astin used to be organiser hehehe

I know MikeElliot to be a very soft-spoken man and never heard a harsh word from him until that post which is quite out of character. I remember Astin as a shoot organiser as my first studio shoot was at his place but many new members here will not know that. :angel:

 

[Astin]

if there are any concrete evidence to any hanky-panky by the organisers, pls drop a PM to Darren or Edmund? at the end of the day, the principle of caveat emptor holds.

please also take note - http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4553171&postcount=7

if there's any evidence from the participants that the organiser is sub-contracting out the shoot, please also inform Darren or Edmund. thank you.

I am not too sure it is sub-contracting out or not, when I asked Chevin repeatedly whether she is Zell (alinktoyourlife) assistant, partner, or friend, she hesitated a while then told me ya she is Zell's assistant.

What I am more concerned, is that alinktoyourlife cancelled the shoot 55mins before the shoot start, and then on the same day posted in Clubsnap "Thanks to all participants who made this shoot a success~!" in bold red fonts.

 

[nightwolf75]

I am not too sure it is sub-contracting out or not, when I asked Chevin repeatedly whether she is Zell (alinktoyourlife) assistant, partner, or friend, she hesitated a while then told me ya she is Zell's assistant.

What I am more concerned, is that alinktoyourlife cancelled the shoot 55mins before the shoot start, and then on the same day posted in Clubsnap "Thanks to all participants who made this shoot a success~!" in bold red fonts.

if i understood Admins' policy correctly, whoever posted the thread should be one there. hence the 'no sub-contract' clause.

perhaps all the aggrieved parties should let the Admins know via PM/email?

 

[Static]

Air stewardess always fly aeroplane ones

 

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

Air stewardess always fly aeroplane ones

Thought those are pilots... anyway, dun OT...

still waiting for more updates!

 

[Cheesecake]

such irresponsible acts from models/organisers are not wanted.

more information pls.

 

[Alankpy]

Experience the same unhappiness in the same shoot mentioned.

Just imagine... u are already on ur way to the shoot location... expecting a great shoot ahead with the nice weather provided. A simple sms came to u... telling u that the shoot is cancelled due to many photographers pulling out from the shoot at the very last minute. All these happened just 50 minutes from the proposed meeting time.

Wow... I must admit... it wasn't easy to accept the fact that shoot was cancelled at such a short notice. It's even harder to accept the reason of not 1 but 5 photographers have pulled out from the shoot last minute. It was claimed that 2 of them weren't feeling well & the other 3 can't make it. (Not informed of the reason as well.)

Well... if its really the case where indeed 5... yes... 5 photographers pulling out from the shoot at the very last minute... Isn't there still 5 photographers left, who are all ready for the shoot as planned? (Ooh... I would love & curious to find out the reasons why the sudden pull out from the shoot by the photographers too.)

Wouldn't it be better if the organiser can check with the rest of the photographers if they are still keen for the shoot... maybe 5 to 1 model or even paying slightly more for both models. I am sure that for those photographers who were already half way to the location, would feel so much better than facing a simple SORRY for the cancellation.

Sorry if I am being mean here... but personally I do feel that...
As a Shoot Organiser... it's always good that u have a Plan B for each shoot. Be it due to the Bad Weather, Missing Models or even Missing Photographers. Be fair to the rest of the participants as well.

Maybe the rest of the participants (those who were suppose to have made the shoot a successful one) have something to share here?

I believe this thread is more than just a "Venting My Anger" session... One might be able to learn from the mistake & experience so that in future, such incident would never be happening again.

Be it the Organiser, the model or the photographer... everyone play a part in making a successful shoot together.

 

[jeanie]

i really pity those who are already halfway there.
sigh...
maybe CS should come up with a reputation point system...

 

[sORe-EyEz]

what Alankpy pointed out is a very interesting point. how does anyone know if there really are (say) so many people who actually sign up? :think:

if money is already paid in advance any, even if there is 1 paying participant who is turning up, the shoot should still proceed. unless there are phantom participants then the reason to cancel the shoot is understandable. :devil:

for what Jeanie has said. how does anyone tell the difference between a popularity vote against actual credible reputation? that is a tough act to pull off... :sweat:

 

[vince123123]

I would say that it would be commercially unviable for a shoot to proceed only with 1 paying participant. Hence I don't think it is reasonable to put the organisers to such a high standard.

what Alankpy pointed out is a very interesting point. how does anyone know if there really are (say) so many people who actually sign up? :think:

if money is already paid in advance any, even if there is 1 paying participant who is turning up, the shoot should still proceed. unless there are phantom participants then the reason to cancel the shoot is understandable. :devil:

for what Jeanie has said. how does anyone tell the difference between a popularity vote against actual credible reputation? that is a tough act to pull off... :sweat:

 

[MikeElliot]

Sorry Jaykay & Alankpy....

Ask both of u to join this shoot but end up in this mess.
Apologised for making your weekend so miserable...:cry:

 

[sORe-EyEz]

I would say that it would be commercially unviable for a shoot to proceed only with 1 paying participant. Hence I don't think it is reasonable to put the organisers to such a high standard.

what of things that are paid in advance? book hotel room for shoot, models brought in from overseas, & so on? :dunno:

i am speaking without biased view, both organisers & participants. since there are black sheeps on both sides, not to mention models (but that i know too little to contribute anything). :sweat:

your point on comercial viablity taken. thanks.

 

[Alankpy]

Sorry Jaykay & Alankpy....

Ask both of u to join this shoot but end up in this mess.
Apologised for making your weekend so unforgetable...:cry:

Haha... no worries Mighty Mike...
Ain't ur fault at all... Cool dude... ;p

 

[vince123123]

That is up to the organiser to balance his own business risks, but I don't think that any call for "1 person also must proceed" is going to make things better. Unless the organiser specifically states so.

what of things that are paid in advance? book hotel room for shoot, models brought in from overseas, & so on? :dunno:

i am speaking without biased view, both organisers & participants. since there are black sheeps on both sides, not to mention models (but that i know too little to contribute anything). :sweat:

your point on comercial viablity taken. thanks.

 

[Long Thai Bean]

Wouldn't it be better if the organiser can check with the rest of the photographers if they are still keen for the shoot... maybe 5 to 1 model or even paying slightly more for both models. I am sure that for those photographers who were already half way to the location, would feel so much better than facing a simple SORRY for the cancellation.
... Be fair to the rest of the participants as well...

Did any of the affected photogs replied to his sms to let the organiser know that you are close to the location already .... ?

If the organiser know there are 5 photogs already close to the location, the base on the stated min ration of 4:1 ... the shoot should carry on ...

Now if the models were not already cancelled and/or are nowhere close to the location, then it may be a different story ...

 

[Alankpy]

That is up to the organiser to balance his own business risks, but I don't think that any call for "1 person also must proceed" is going to make things better. Unless the organiser specifically states so.

Hi...

I do agree that it would be too much to ask for the shoot to go on with just a single paying photographer. I also believe... no one would actually be that demanding too if such situation really happens. (I hope so. Heehee...)

Just like to hear some views from anyone here...
If... for example in this case... 5 out of the 10 photographers are still keen in the shoot, would it be too demanding for them to ask the organiser to proceed with the shoot?

Then again... if the organiser have collected the shoot payments in advance via bank transfers from all photographers... would it be fair that the organiser should reserve the right to refuse any refund to those that have pulled out from the shoot at the every last minute, and proceed with the shoot for the remaining photographers? After all, the shoot was confirmed by the organiser in the first place.

It's just like u book an oversea trip with a tour agency... paid the deposit... confirmed the trip by the agency... then just before reaching the airport for the flight... the agency called u up or simply sms u... telling u that "The trip is cancelled due to some members pulling out from the trip at the last minute." Can u take that for an explanation?

Maybe... just maybe... some of our expectation for shoot organiser might be too high indeed... althought I still feels that this is just a basis expectation... *Shoot confirmed... Shoot goes on... No Plan B... Dun Blame Me* :sweatsm: