EOS-M Mirrorless Digital Camera with EF-M 22mm f/2 STM Lens - US299
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esoeij
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It is a disappointment because I was expecting a better product from Canon. Canon was one of the last major camera manufacturers to launch a interchangeable lens mirrorless system and had the time and opportunity to learn from and innovate on its competitors products. But in the end, the specs were ordinary and even something as fundamental as the spot AF speed in good light was noticeably slower than the competition. Obviously the slow AF is not a concern to you and meets your needs. Presumably most of the stuff you shoot don't really move much or stay still for you. So good for you.
You are correct that I have been reading and viewing reviews online. That's called doing your homework before making a purchase. However, I have also tested the actual camera to see for myself if the criticism of the AF speed was warranted. Sure there were good things about the camera, but the slow AF speed made it a non-starter for me.
Unlike you, I was planning to use the M with EF lenses. This is one major selling point of the M. I think a number of Canon DSLR users would find the M a good back-up body to bring along on travels. However, pairing the M with EF-lenses will mean a front heavy camera with an uneven weight balance. Using the LCD screen to nail focus is not ideal and an EVF makes sense. But wait, Canon decided not to have a hotshoe so there is no option to mount an EVF accessory. So as a Canon DSLR user, the M was not a compelling buy. If I was considering a standalone system, the m4/3 system is far better.
So yes it is possible for people who don't own a product to be disappointed with it. If more people loved the M as much as you do, B&H and Canon would not have had to slash the price.
You are correct that I have been reading and viewing reviews online. That's called doing your homework before making a purchase. However, I have also tested the actual camera to see for myself if the criticism of the AF speed was warranted. Sure there were good things about the camera, but the slow AF speed made it a non-starter for me.
Unlike you, I was planning to use the M with EF lenses. This is one major selling point of the M. I think a number of Canon DSLR users would find the M a good back-up body to bring along on travels. However, pairing the M with EF-lenses will mean a front heavy camera with an uneven weight balance. Using the LCD screen to nail focus is not ideal and an EVF makes sense. But wait, Canon decided not to have a hotshoe so there is no option to mount an EVF accessory. So as a Canon DSLR user, the M was not a compelling buy. If I was considering a standalone system, the m4/3 system is far better.
So yes it is possible for people who don't own a product to be disappointed with it. If more people loved the M as much as you do, B&H and Canon would not have had to slash the price.
Already got firmware to improve the AF lah. So what you know is out-dated.
What do you want further? Any compact size that can mount DSLR lenses will make uneven weight balance. Can you tell us which model doesn't suffer from this?
Another thing, it's good that you read reviews. But always take them with pitch of salt. Many of them are like you, can comment alot but don't even own that camera. They are just 'parroting'
Before you say that I'm biased, I must declare that I'm not a Canon user. That's why I don't say about EOS M whether good or not. I always believe each model had strengths and weaknesses. Nothing is perfect.
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esoeij
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I am aware of the firmware update. Is there a significant improvement?
The uneven weight balance problem is not a criticism. I agree with you that it's to be expected. That's why I found it odd that there was no possibility of an optional EVF.
Agree also reviews should not be believed 100%. That's why I tested the camera despite the negative comments. I really wanted to buy it.
Headshotzx
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Soo... is anyone gonna conduct a mass-buy from B&H to save shipping? Hehe
eleveninth
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U start lor
Headshotzx
Senior Member
I NSF doing NDP. How to coordinate, bro? 
How good is this guy with older manual focus glass? Compatibility wise...
How good is this guy with older manual focus glass? Compatibility wise...Yes, warranty is not recognised by Canon Singapore. You can still send it for repairs but charges apply.
Since u like to read reviews, why don't you search for reviews on the new firmware? CS already has some info.
phoakm
Senior Member
I NSF doing NDP. How to coordinate, bro?
You in NDP? Which unit? ;p
Oh sian liao. Bo hua like that
Don't jump immediately into buying it just because it is selling at US$299 without checking the local price as well as other factors such as shipping cost, GST, foreign exchange rate and warranty claim.
raydio
Senior Member
Best is to buy local.
Prices on the EOS-M are or will be discounted all over the world. I just stepped into my local dealership today in Toronto and I noticed that the shelf price still had the old one on it. One of the sales people said that pricing is determined by the local Canon distributor and if B&H had discounted their models based on Canon USA discounts then most retail outlets will eventually adopt the new pricing.
He then went into the store's computer and checked for current pricing on the EOS-M. Sure enough, the store's head office had just discounted it to be in line with B&H pricing. The sales person surmised that Canon was either dropping the EOS-M or an upgraded model was in the works... perhaps an EOS-M Mk II
Advantages for buying local:
i) Avoidance of shipping costs, GST and foreign exchange rates.
ii) Local warranty! Products bought outside of the country are not warranted by local Canon distributor. If warranty work is required, shipping costs, long periods without camera and frustrations will occur especially if repair work is substandard and must be returned yet again.
iii) Support good, honest, hardworking local retailers. The stronger they get, the better they can serve you!
Note: I am not affiliated in any way with local retailers in Singapore (but I do support the good one's when I'm there).
Prices on the EOS-M are or will be discounted all over the world. I just stepped into my local dealership today in Toronto and I noticed that the shelf price still had the old one on it. One of the sales people said that pricing is determined by the local Canon distributor and if B&H had discounted their models based on Canon USA discounts then most retail outlets will eventually adopt the new pricing.
He then went into the store's computer and checked for current pricing on the EOS-M. Sure enough, the store's head office had just discounted it to be in line with B&H pricing. The sales person surmised that Canon was either dropping the EOS-M or an upgraded model was in the works... perhaps an EOS-M Mk II
Advantages for buying local:
i) Avoidance of shipping costs, GST and foreign exchange rates.
ii) Local warranty! Products bought outside of the country are not warranted by local Canon distributor. If warranty work is required, shipping costs, long periods without camera and frustrations will occur especially if repair work is substandard and must be returned yet again.
iii) Support good, honest, hardworking local retailers. The stronger they get, the better they can serve you!
Note: I am not affiliated in any way with local retailers in Singapore (but I do support the good one's when I'm there).
neech7
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Buying local works for Singapore, but US's twisted tax laws is another story. I was in New York last month and I visited B&H's store there. Had this deal been available then, I would have paid US$299 + NY sales tax (about 8-9% I think). But now I am in Seattle, about 5000km away, I only pay US$299 total. No sales tax and free shipping. So it is actually cheaper for me to buy it when I am 5000km away, and they have to mail it to me!
raydio
Senior Member
Yes that's true of both the United States and Canada. Each state and each province of Canada has the power to impose a sales tax. Most do, very few do not. Alberta is an example of a province in Canada that does not impose a sales tax while Delaware is a state that also does not impose a sales tax. The state of Washington (where Seattle is located) does impose state taxes (but items purchased out of state are in a gray area). The following link contains a chart which confirms your statement of the US's twisted tax laws (very complicated).
Sales Taxes in the United States
Since the price of EOS-M was drastically cut after the release of the EOS 70D, I believe there must be a connection. Everyone is gonna wait for the 70D sensor AF technology to filter down to the EOS-M update. This means Canon must somehow clear all their factory stock of EOS-M before its replacement is released.
Anyway, I could not wait any longer for the EOS-M replacement, so I got myself an OMD. Nice camera with small cute prime lenses.
The EOS-M has a hotshoe but no hotshoe EVF.
esoeij
Senior Member
Thanks for pointing it out. Makes even less sense to have a hotshoe but not include a hotshoe EVF in the accessory line up.
Headshotzx
Senior Member
Yes. 3rd Signals. Part of the multimedia team doing some produced content for tower and main LED screens.
Street Price $600 for EOS M ??? Where to get it at this price ???
I was walking around Funan for days, checking out prices and comparing
Some is still listing it $1199 complete with Kit 2+3 etc.
I last saw TK price @ $949 ... but I was at Funan and saw $790 and grabbed it
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