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Don't forget that landscape can mean a lot of things. Some people also say scenery and landscape very nice when what they are referring to is XMM. Must make sure the nose hair is in focus mah.
Does anyone use "live view" for dslr?
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:bsmilie:
Don't forget that landscape can mean a lot of things. Some people also say scenery and landscape very nice when what they are referring to is XMM. Must make sure the nose hair is in focus mah.
I am surprised you've never heard of live view being used for manual focusing (particularly with 10x magnification).
The alternative is to revert to older focus screens (such as those available for 40D, 50D etc), but that is kind of clumsy. Focus screens also influence exposure and one needs to keep track of that.
Live view merely simplifies everything.
If one goes by your reasoning, we should all be happy with film cameras, developing our own films, learning how to dodge/burn in dark rooms etc, ya?
Technology is all about convenience. If I am going to fork out x amount of money, I'll like to milk as much as I can out of every cent. I don't suppose anyone is silly enough to pay $5000 for a 300D camera now. :bsmilie:
I am quite confident if Ansel Adams is alive today, he'll prefer to process his photos on a computer than spend days in the darkroom editing his photos.
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You are assuming ultrawide angles. Is every landscape photo shot at ultrawide angle?
If the scene has objects that are of interest at both near and far distances, one must pick the correct focus point in order to make some suitable compromise. Of course, if one does not pixel peep and is happy as long as everything looks reasonably sharp, then it does not matter.
Personally, I will not shoot past f/11 on an aps-c camera (after some painful experiences) regardless of whether the camera is 8/12/14/18 MP. Again, if one does not pixel peep or if there's nothing distinct in a scene, then it does not matter.
Hyperfocusing is about compromises as well.
How exactly do you define hyper-focusing?
The old standard definition is to look at the choice of focal length, then calculate a suitable focusing distance and aperture size. I can assure you it does NOT work when there are NEAR objects which lie OUTSIDE the hyperfocusing distance.
A better method is to locate the nearest object of interest in a scene, focus on another subject at double the distance and shoot at small apertures. I have done that in the past too. But nothing is more assuring than manual focusing because AF is not always the most reliable thing on earth.
The TS asks if anyone uses live view in DSLRs. I have merely described how I have used it and what I think of it. If you have no interest in the use of current technology and prefer to keep yourself in stone age, please do not go around deriding others.
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Presently I am using a P&S and shopping for a DSLR.
In my younger days I used to own Olympus OM1 and also used Asahi Pentax Spotmatic, Minolta SRT101, etc. Those days I had perfect eye-sight and had no problems using focusing screens in OVF.
Now I am long-sighted and need reading glasses. I can see far distances but have difficulty seeing near objects.
Had been trying out different DSLRs recently and for those without LV, I need to use the diopter corrector which I find is a pain. I find that using DSLRs with LV is more convenient.
Hope to hear from more senior, I mean elderly, forumers' views and how they get around this irritating problem.
In my younger days I used to own Olympus OM1 and also used Asahi Pentax Spotmatic, Minolta SRT101, etc. Those days I had perfect eye-sight and had no problems using focusing screens in OVF.
Now I am long-sighted and need reading glasses. I can see far distances but have difficulty seeing near objects.
Had been trying out different DSLRs recently and for those without LV, I need to use the diopter corrector which I find is a pain. I find that using DSLRs with LV is more convenient.
Hope to hear from more senior, I mean elderly, forumers' views and how they get around this irritating problem.
You'll find live view more convenient for you because (i) all LCD screens are much larger than the largest optical viewfinder in current DSLRs (ii) when it comes to manual focusing, it's hard to beat 10x magnification in live view.
flipfreak
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Yup I do! I use it to check out bokeh. Apparently, you can't see the bokeh output on view finder.
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u can. just use the dof button.
spheredome
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View finder has the advantage in bright daylight where LCD is not visible. LV is good for tripod where you don't have close one eye. So that eye won't sour.
Incidentally, I DO have a photo of an ant. Taken with auto-focus through the optical viewfinder. No live view.
My point? I am equally adept in using the camera with and without live view. I see both methods of using the camera as complementary. But I vehemently object when people start going around talking down on others just because they have no use for a particular technology.
Without distance information on most Canon lens, it would actually make sense to manual focus on live view. The 10x magnification can indeed help you determine the object of near focus (flower or tree) and plus the right aperture setting give you good focused landscape pictures via hyperfocal theories.
For the newbies on this thread, Ansel Adams is known for his zone system of determining optimal exposure for the sensor of his day (film). i.e. little to do with landscape focusing techniques.
hotwork77
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Incidentally, I DO have a photo of an ant. Taken with auto-focus through the optical viewfinder. No live view.
My point? I am equally adept in using the camera with and without live view. I see both methods of using the camera as complementary. But I vehemently object when people start going around talking down on others just because they have no use for a particular technology.
Hello Diginaut... My problem is almost similiar with yours. I'm almost at an age where most forumers are young enough to be my grandson. I can't see too far without my glasses and have much problem looking at the live view. Wear my glasses and I still can't make out the details clearly. Without my glasses I can't even see the fine print on the buttons. My dopter is almost -6.5 and I wear my glasses and use custom eyecups when taking photos.
And to Doodah...I don't suppose anyone is trying to talk down others who uses Live View. There's no right or wrong way to snap a picture. At the end of the day if you feel happy to snap your photos with Live View then so be it. Sometimes I bring up my camera above everyone's head and snap a picture without even aiming or composing my shots. No need to look at the view finder or Live View and you will be surprised by the shots you get.
Peace. Live Long and Prosper.
I only use live view for macro and anytime I have the camera on a tri-pod, so probably I use it 90% of the time. Turns my SLR into a small view camera. Can check foreground focus at 10X. then pick a spot on the horizon and check focus there too before making an exposure. I also love the grid that help a tom with composition. It is a great tool and if you choose to igore it that is your (bad) decision.....IMO. The ONLY drawback I have found is that is WILL use up battery power fast, so I use a grip with two batteries and have four spares.
Soundaholic
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Rarely, I would say most people use it less than 0.1% of the times. I only use it when I do manual focus because of the 10x zoom. My eyesight it not awesome so checking the focus with the viewfinder when MF is not a good idea. I also use live view when shooting from weird angles and my eye cannot reach the viewfinder, though I avoid such situations cos ofc viewfinder > liveview
Wow, great pics.
I think hyperfocus has been pretty well defined over the years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperfocal_distance
I think he meant that Ansel did not have the benefit of live view while taking those great photos.
Hi Hotwork77,
Great to hear from you. From one grandpa to another.
That is why for me live-view is convenient.
If I use a DSLR without live view and is shared with other family members, the diopter setting gets shifted about. If I use with my reading glasses, I have to avoid contact between spectacles and OVF to prevent scratching my reading glasses. I see you use a custom eye cup.
If I don't use my reading glasses using only diopter correction, I need to put on my glasses when I remove my aiming eye to view the subject and then remove it to look into the OVF. Very troublesome.
I take a lot of photographs of my toddler grandson and he doesn't have the patience to wait while grandpa composes the picture.
So like you, I just shoot and capture the moments.
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ansel adams camera viewfinder bigger than our lcd la (even bigger than our cam), so he didn't need liveview hehehe... :bsmilie:
btw as for me, i use liveview when i need to do manual focus... and video...
what's good with liveview nowadays is you can get a "wysiwyg" exposure at the lcd.... ( not appicable for long exposure though )
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