D70 color vs 20D color
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Pablo
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I may be shot down here and would be quite happy to be.
If you took a shot with a Canon and also with a Nikon (both in RAW).
By tweaking the raw shots, would the difference come down to how the lens supplies the colours ?
I hope you see what I am asking here.
As another example... if you were to be able to put a Canon lens on a Nikon and a Nikon lens on a Canon
And took photos in RAW and tweaked the results.
Would you be likely to find ? ... it is the lens or the body ?
What about using a Carl Zeis lens on each body... which body would be closer to true.
Any thoughts
If you took a shot with a Canon and also with a Nikon (both in RAW).
By tweaking the raw shots, would the difference come down to how the lens supplies the colours ?
I hope you see what I am asking here.
As another example... if you were to be able to put a Canon lens on a Nikon and a Nikon lens on a Canon
And took photos in RAW and tweaked the results.
Would you be likely to find ? ... it is the lens or the body ?
What about using a Carl Zeis lens on each body... which body would be closer to true.
Any thoughts
Pablo said:
2 different Nikkors on a Nikon body or 2 different Canon lenses on a Canon body can produce different colors, lest even swapping brands on bodies.
Heck, even 2 different flashes can produce different colors on the same body and lens. I just managed to prove this over the weekend with a 580ex and a 550ex.
Tempus said:
Firstly, why not try experimenting with the other profiles like the RGBs, which I'm sure you may have and compare the results...Like the rest already said, try adjusting the saturation either in camrera or post process, another factor to ensure you're seeing the correct representation of colors is to make sure the screen that your're viewing your pics is properly calibrated, and not bias that is if that has not been done, as it can also be a factor that can sometimes be decieving.
Secondly, work more on your camera and if still not satisfied, then better change to the camera that you feel is comfortable, many others have used the D70 and it has produce pictures that are commendable, so does the pictures from 20D, as for which produces a better picture? it is very subjective. Like most will agree, the man behind the camera does play a part too.. no ill intention meant.
Photominia
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here we go again! :nono:
sorry but I beg to differ from what Master Yoda(NW75) has said earlier in post #7.
I've used both 20D and D70 the matter of interest here with both cams on default settings and AWB. To me, the 20D had more accurate and very consistent AWB.
The D70 with kit lens, even when shooting continuous drive (poor mans's VR) mode produced pics tat are sometimes warmer, sometimes cooler especially in the bright sun.
With a 20D and 50mm prime produced quite good colour repro and I seldom had to tweak the WB.
The above is just the sharing of experiences and not a test I've done side by side.
I went for the D70 in the end for other reasons; But that's another story for another thread.
I've used both 20D and D70 the matter of interest here with both cams on default settings and AWB. To me, the 20D had more accurate and very consistent AWB.
The D70 with kit lens, even when shooting continuous drive (poor mans's VR) mode produced pics tat are sometimes warmer, sometimes cooler especially in the bright sun.
With a 20D and 50mm prime produced quite good colour repro and I seldom had to tweak the WB.
The above is just the sharing of experiences and not a test I've done side by side.
I went for the D70 in the end for other reasons; But that's another story for another thread.
yanyewkay said:
first things first... me NOT master anything. i make more booboos than i care to remember. u want a master of canon system? ask mpenza, techmage or USM. they most probably (bet them) forgotten more abt canon system than i can remember.
i'm not sure abt 20D's AWB. i owned and used a 300D and 10D before, currently using a D100. played with 20D, 350D and D70 too (QED since my regular kakis have them). honestly speaking? AWB on either nikon or canon is pretty accurate, under normal lighting, IMO. WB this kind of tech is a pretty iffy subject. do a search on any online forums like dpreview or photo.net, and u can find equal number of people praising or trashing WB on any camera, including 20D. so, while u might find ur 20D giving u very accurate WB for every pic, i'm sure u can find another user condemning 20D's WB to hell and beyond.
btw, WB's accuracy is dependent on a myriad of factors. wat u shoot and where u shoot most often may be very different from the next user. eg. i always found 300D/10D AWB under-performing in indoors situation when i'm shooting in church. dat goes for my D100 too. does dat mean both system are crap in AWB? nope. cos, once i realised/learnt wat my cam can or cannot do under different situations, i just compensate for it and walah! accurate WB.
as for whether warm or not, u are right. its, IMO (and not the gospel truth), dependent on lenses. read any reviews on any lens, and u'll get an idea wat i mean.
bottom line, as mentioned time and again here, read the manual, play with ur camera and get a better understanding of ur system - be it canon, nikon or some timbaktu brand. point to note - 300D, D70 and 20D are all award-winning cameras in the last few years. thus, IMO, if the cameras' tech are, largely, award-winning, any problem(s) of a bad pic then lies with me.
I agreed with you that Nikon DSLR requires some serious thoughts before getting real fantastic pictures. But do you know you can download custom curves into your D70? Alternatively, you can set a digital workflow in Adobe Photoshop to process all your pictures automatically.Tempus said:The thread started by herone99 has made me thinking of switching to canon
100% of the pictures taken by nikon require major tweaking, especially its color saturation. Sometimes, it has to be added 40% more color saturation just to match the color taken by a canon. Example d70 vs canon 20d. I'm not sure if this is something wrong with my camera, or is it a trait by nikon?
I don't find nikon pictures closer to the real thing, as I see the real life has better colors then a post processed picture from nikon cams. Its quite disheartening to edit every single picture when I just want to take a simple snap shot or take raw format just because nikon post processing program sucks.
Can any of experienced nikon user comment on this? On what are the daily settings to enhance the color or do you use custom curves to enhance this?
:nono: You're MASTER nightwolf. Heeheeenightwolf75 said:
Sensors, unlike film only understand light as black and white, it's the processing behind the sensors that decode and coverts light to colours. For film, it's the intensity of the light that causes chemical changes to produce the final 'RAW' results So before you all bash any WB on any camera, know that it's a technical limitation of technology. It happens. Sh!t happens.nightwolf75 said:
Filters too.nightwolf75 said:
If in doubt, refer to megaweb, you'll understand that camera only does so much. The main (not ONLY) factor is still the photographer behind. Hehehehehehehehhehehehhhe...nightwolf75 said:bottom line, as mentioned time and again here, read the manual, play with ur camera and get a better understanding of ur system - be it canon, nikon or some timbaktu brand. point to note - 300D, D70 and 20D are all award-winning cameras in the last few years. thus, IMO, if the cameras' tech are, largely, award-winning, any problem(s) of a bad pic then lies with me.
nightwolf75 said:
Mater Yoda, you are. :bsmilie: they even made a figurine of you!
back to topic. I was referring to continuous drive, some call it burst shots, some call it the 'fps' mode :think:. During a series of bursts on the D70, I have enouctered inconsistent colour temps. Eg: a burst of 5 pics, pic 1 ok, pic 2 warm, pic 3 cooler, pic 4 ok, etc...
I was shooting nature macros outdoors.
I'm not slamming D70's AWB or praising 20D's anything here, nor am I a brand worshipper of either(Although I'm a believer of the SuperCCD). Each cam has it's strong points and it's just a personal preference (based on my experience with both cams) that I felt 20D had better pics out of the cam and more consistent AWB.
Tempus said:
I also have this colour space question when i first got my D70. This is what i learnt from some kind forumers: If u like to PS your photos after shooting, take with Adobe RGB as it has wider colour gamut. The photos will only appear right in Photoshop. After tweaking, need to convert to sRBG before sending for print (unless the lab can accept Adobe RGB images).
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