D600 Full Frame announced! (not official yet)

[spree86]

If this rumour is true, it might just tempt me away from DX

 

[kriegsketten]

If this rumour is true, it might just tempt me away from DX

So I'd assume you're Fx/AF-S ready? On NR, you can imagine half the crowd with legacy lenses are not too crazy about the exclusion of AF-motor...

In any case, all these could just be someone's idea of a bad joke. Nothing is finalised until the closing months of full disclosure.

But if it is true... man-oh-man... the future's so bright I gotta wear shades...

I'm already on Fx, so D600 can easily be a good backup or secondary body fitted with an UWA (to maximize the 24MP) - depending on the lens setup.

 

[spree86]

So I'd assume you're Fx/AF-S ready? On NR, you can imagine half the crowd with legacy lenses are not too crazy about the exclusion of AF-motor...

In any case, all these could just be someone's idea of a bad joke. Nothing is finalised until the closing months of full disclosure.

But if it is true... man-oh-man... the future's so bright I gotta wear shades...

I'm already on Fx, so D600 can easily be a good backup or secondary body fitted with an UWA (to maximize the 24MP) - depending on the lens setup.

So far only my 24-70 is AF-S haha but the rumour is 40% confirmed so I hope they might include the BIM (if Nikon is really producing this body), if not I will just keep my D7000 for macro use and mainly use the FX for portraits and street. Add an AF-S 85mm f1.8G and this will make a pretty good setup for portraits.

 

[kriegsketten]

So far only my 24-70 is AF-S haha but the rumour is 40% confirmed so I hope they might include the BIM (if Nikon is really producing this body), if not I will just keep my D7000 for macro use and mainly use the FX for portraits and street. Add an AF-S 85mm f1.8G and this will make a pretty good setup for portraits.

Sounds fine and dandy. I'm sure Dx will still last a good while it won't just disappear overnight when the rumour is indeed true...

On a side note, I'm just wondering how Nikon will keep up with their nonclementures... D800 is a whole new class of it's own so the 800 stays... D700 will be phased out (eventually), but I wonder if the true replacements will still use the 7XX series...

Single digit flagships will have no problem since it can last all the way to 9 or maybe more...

Rumour states D400 as D300s' replacement.... Or will it be still within D3XX? If 400 is taken up, that leaves 500, 600 and 900... simply not a lot of room left if they keep coming up with new class of bodies... :bsmilie:

Oh what mindless chit-chats we dwell into when we are not shooting...

 

[spree86]

Sounds fine and dandy. I'm sure Dx will still last a good while it won't just disappear overnight when the rumour is indeed true...

On a side note, I'm just wondering how Nikon will keep up with their nonclementures... D800 is a whole new class of it's own so the 800 stays... D700 will be phased out (eventually), but I wonder if the true replacements will still use the 7XX series...

Single digit flagships will have no problem since it can last all the way to 9 or maybe more...

Rumour states D400 as D300s' replacement.... Or will it be still within D3XX? If 400 is taken up, that leaves 500, 600 and 900... simply not a lot of room left if they keep coming up with new class of bodies... :bsmilie:

Oh what mindless chit-chats we dwell into when we are not shooting...

:bsmilie: That's why I always feel that Canon's mark I, II, III system is much better since they won't ever run out of numbers haha.

 

[wakaowalao]

They can jolly well named as D310/D320/D330, D710/D720 so on and so fro...

 

[kriegsketten]

Yes, on a serious note, they SHOULD carry on with the numbers instead of taking up new ones (which should be reserved for new classes). The problem is, would they? D310 and D710 are okay names and should last 9 successive models each. Or D305/D310/D315/D320...-19 successors each... Or be a bit more creative... D708/D710/D718/D720/D728/D730 hahah...

The D3200, D5100, D7000 series will probably meet the "wall of doom" in about 20+ years time... since D3XXX can carry forward onto D4000, D5XXX into D6000, D7XXX into D8000/9000 etc No worries, although I wonder if full Fx range or new technology will eventually change everything...

I think it's not about what numbers to use but how they are pronounced in daily conversations... Imagine "Dee-three-ten", "Dee-seven-ten" versus "Dee-seven-hundred-and-ten" That's why "Dee-three-hundred" and "Dee-seven-hundred" have more punch when spoken... But "Dee-three-ten" (lacks a bit of punch) or "Dee-seven-hundred-and-ten" (7 syllables combined) Tongue twister man...

The new D7100 - "Dee-seven-thousand-and-one-hundred" (a whopping 9 syllables!!!!!) is a testament that it's going to be a challenge to have a Nikon TCSS without getting tongues twisted... At best, it becomes "Dee-seven-thousand-one-hundred" ("and" removed) which is 8 syllables... Mark my words... we'll will be going "bleah bleah-blah blah bleah..." very soon...

That's why the D7000 became D7K (5 syllables reduced to 4)....

Recently, when I approached the Nikon rep at SAM and started asking about the D3200... I have to pause a while to get it prononced correctly... Bruther!!!

 

[james]

Hi, since there are discussion about D lens and G lens, I want to ask, why is it Nikon launches more G lens than D lens? Nothing wrong with G lens, however I am thinking, G lens's built is a bit plasticky (light), with built-in motor. Built-in-motor, I have some worries about built-in-motor for prime, as I worry that it won't last long (2-5 years). For lenses without motor, like D lens, it can last quite long. For this reason, I collect some of the D lenses. Another consideration is that the body I used has in built motor. Isn't that couple with lens without motor should be faster and better?

Another question is, well, until now we don't know the solution yet. There are quite a lot of lenses that are not advisable to use with D800 due to the resolution. And why is it so that Nikon launches D800 with high megapixels? This brings me 2 questions in my mind. Firstly, what about those old manual lenses and those lenses that cannot support D800? Is this the time that separate manual /pre D800 lenses from future high megapixel lenses? Secondly, how is Nikon going to complete its lenses lineup as current lineup maybe is not complete yet, at the same time Nikon has to launch replacing lenses for existing lineup, at the same time complete it's current lineup? Do we expect to see more replacing lenses plus new G lenses in near future?

And for the nomenclature,
D3200
D5100
D7000 (D90)
D600 (D300s)
D800 (D700)
D4
Really is a bit confusing and messy.

 

[kwanhan]

Hi, since there are discussion about D lens and G lens, I want to ask, why is it Nikon launches more G lens than D lens? Nothing wrong with G lens, however I am thinking, G lens's built is a bit plasticky (light), with built-in motor. Built-in-motor, I have some worries about built-in-motor for prime, as I worry that it won't last long (2-5 years). For lenses without motor, like D lens, it can last quite long. For this reason, I collect some of the D lenses. Another consideration is that the body I used has in built motor. Isn't that couple with lens without motor should be faster and better?

Another question is, well, until now we don't know the solution yet. There are quite a lot of lenses that are not advisable to use with D800 due to the resolution. And why is it so that Nikon launches D800 with high megapixels? This brings me 2 questions in my mind. Firstly, what about those old manual lenses and those lenses that cannot support D800? Is this the time that separate manual /pre D800 lenses from future high megapixel lenses? Secondly, how is Nikon going to complete its lenses lineup as current lineup maybe is not complete yet, at the same time Nikon has to launch replacing lenses for existing lineup, at the same time complete it's current lineup? Do we expect to see more replacing lenses plus new G lenses in near future?

And for the nomenclature,
D3200
D5100
D7000 (D90)
D600 (D300s)
D800 (D700)
D4
Really is a bit confusing and messy.

AF-S motors don't break down that easily unless you are a working professional with really heavy usage.

D lenses focus slower than AF-S lenses as far as I know. No a body with motor with a D lens isn't faster than an AF-S lens. I think you've been handling consumer grade G lenses haha...

the d800 is aimed at professionals with certain needs... studio.. landscape...

as u mentioned, those are old lenses... why would you expect new bodies to be designed for old lenses? technology moves on.

nikon will probably refresh most of the AF-D lenses i guess

 

[spree86]

Hi, since there are discussion about D lens and G lens, I want to ask, why is it Nikon launches more G lens than D lens? Nothing wrong with G lens, however I am thinking, G lens's built is a bit plasticky (light), with built-in motor. Built-in-motor, I have some worries about built-in-motor for prime, as I worry that it won't last long (2-5 years). For lenses without motor, like D lens, it can last quite long. For this reason, I collect some of the D lenses. Another consideration is that the body I used has in built motor. Isn't that couple with lens without motor should be faster and better?

Another question is, well, until now we don't know the solution yet. There are quite a lot of lenses that are not advisable to use with D800 due to the resolution. And why is it so that Nikon launches D800 with high megapixels? This brings me 2 questions in my mind. Firstly, what about those old manual lenses and those lenses that cannot support D800? Is this the time that separate manual /pre D800 lenses from future high megapixel lenses? Secondly, how is Nikon going to complete its lenses lineup as current lineup maybe is not complete yet, at the same time Nikon has to launch replacing lenses for existing lineup, at the same time complete it's current lineup? Do we expect to see more replacing lenses plus new G lenses in near future?

And for the nomenclature,
D3200
D5100
D7000 (D90)
D600 (D300s)
D800 (D700)
D4
Really is a bit confusing and messy.

Not all G lenses are plasticky maybe like what bro Kwanhan said, you might have only handled the consumer grade G lenses. The 24-70 and 14-24 definitely don't feel plasticky at all.

 

[kwanhan]

anyway, some readers are clarifying on Nikon Rumors that the d600 thing might be a joke from some chinese forum.

we should get some sleep and believe that the d700 replacement is out there somewhere... i want a built in motor so much... something that is d300 sized at least...

so much speculation... some makes sense some doesn't.

marketing an entry level FX seems to make sense. making it crippled and having less features than a d7000 is mind boggling.

let's grab our gear and go shoot over this weekend and next tuesday's public holiday.. better than our incessant chatter here :bsmilie:

 

[spree86]

anyway, some readers are clarifying on Nikon Rumors that the d600 thing might be a joke from some chinese forum.

we should get some sleep and believe that the d700 replacement is out there somewhere... i want a built in motor so much... something that is d300 sized at least...

so much speculation... some makes sense some doesn't.

marketing an entry level FX seems to make sense. making it crippled and having less features than a d7000 is mind boggling.

let's grab our gear and go shoot over this weekend and next tuesday's public holiday.. better than our incessant chatter here :bsmilie:

If I'm paying more than the D7000 I want a few more things like a 100% viewfinder and AF fine-tune, well, nothing is concrete for now.

As for next tuesday, I'm joining this
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/gath...eet-landscape-photography-bought-you-mls.html

 

[kriegsketten]

Woah! I went to sleep right after my last post... I was wrapping up my work anyway. You guys stayed up that late? :bsmilie:

Anyway, I've already stated that it could be a hoax ( after reading NR's chatter, they should get sleep too!)

But sometimes, you'll never know for sure. Some may leak info, maybe got discovered n chided by mgt n now doing damage control by calling it a joke... Lol. That's why NR chatter continued. Or maybe they may want. Nikon to seriously consider that idea... Now it could be a smoke trying to generate a serious fire! LOL

With regards to G lenses... There is big brother G and a little brother G... One is a ring type, the other a small kind. Ring type are found in some heavier pro glasses and usually commands great speed during AF...

As for smaller SWM, not all delivers the same speed - could be due to differences in internal lens construction... Torque build up maybe?

 

[kriegsketten]

Then there is this nice silencer "swoosh" when the SWM delivers... Unlike the cranky D lenses. Seriously, everyone will hear you before you press that shutter...Dreadful if you r a tog shooting court room scene... Now, if only all the future Pro bodies comes with quiet shutters.... I feel like a typist when I doing 8fps.... LOL

 

[kwanhan]

If I'm paying more than the D7000 I want a few more things like a 100% viewfinder and AF fine-tune, well, nothing is concrete for now.

As for next tuesday, I'm joining this
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/gath...eet-landscape-photography-bought-you-mls.html

this is my point exactly, if we are paying a price higher than d7000 cost, and it lacks a motor, which the d7000 has....

of course it can be justified as sensor cost

 

[kriegsketten]

this is my point exactly, if we are paying a price higher than d7000 cost, and it lacks a motor, which the d7000 has....

of course it can be justified as sensor cost

There, you've reasoned it out yourself... Don't be like a few of the those NR jokers there... Ai-Peeh-Ai-Ho.... Like dat, Nikon will last or not? :bsmilie:

 

[kriegsketten]

Just an example... recently I ebayed for a D90 sensor unit replacement... US$500... That's at least two generations back... Imaging the cost of latest Fx sensor unit by itself...

Check this out... D700 sensor replacement unit:

NIKON D700 D 700 CMOS SENSOR NEW ORIGINAL REPAIR PART | eBay

A WHOPPING US$1,310!! Lets treat this as overpriced... maybe you can get better deal elsewhere, for what, maybe US$1000?

So.... An Fx US$1500 entry level body is not worth it?.... urm... yeah, okay...

 

[kriegsketten]

D3 sensor

NIKON D3 D 3 CMOS SENSOR NEW ORIGINAL REPAIR PART | eBay

Take care of your Fx bodies fellas PARTICULARLY the sensor... US$1,650.... *gulp*

 

[kriegsketten]

Rear of D3 sensor unit:

versus rear of D700 sensor unit:

 

[Squid108]

the sensor of d90 costs the same as a second hand body. so expensive. i believe quotation from NSc will be cheaper.