Canon EOS 5DS and 5DSR

[tecnica]

I thought the sensor is from Sony no?

This is from DPreview:

As far as dynamic range is concerned, we're told that the new 5DS and 5DS R should give the same performance as the current EOS 5D Mark III. If true, this means that the new cameras won't be able to offer the same industry-leading dynamic range of Sony's current APS-C and full-frame sensors, but at least it isn't a step backwards. And hey - 50MP!

Well, maybe I should wait for more reviews before concluding anything.

Meanwhile, camping for more information.

 

[raydio]

I thought the sensor is from Sony no?

No... sadly it is not from Sony.

It would have been nice to have the DR range offered by the Sony sensor, but in my opinion, it would have been a very pleasant surprise to hear that Canon has developed its own technology easily exceeding the dynamic range of the best Sony sensor's.

 

[richiemccaw1]

Bro tecnica - you are right. 'Increased dynamic range' is relative. Thing is Canon realises for 90+% of its customers the large dynamic range probably doesnt matter so they are just happy taking whatever they have and milking as much out of it as they can.

 

[foreverlate]

look like these camera are for landscape bro. or architecture bro..have to wait 5d4

 

[dolina]

The 51MP 5DS ($3,699) & 5DS R ($3,899) are high end studio and landscape cameras. Think medium format applications where large or finely detailed prints are required.

These cameras do not replace the 5D Mark III per Canon USA video.

[video=youtube;Hl6AKRadEsw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl6AKRadEsw#ws[/video]

These cameras are positioned against the high megapixel full frame bodies like the 36MP Nikon D810 ($2,997) & 36MP Sony A7R ($2,098).

Canon USA mentioned medium format uses for the 5DS & 5DS R so here are the entry level medium format bodies by year.

2010 $4,500 40MP Pentax 645D
2014 $8,497 51.4MP Pentax 645Z

Now, why the drastic price difference? This all goes down to sensor size as shown below.

The Sony, Nikon and Canon uses a full frame sensor with a dimension of 36x24mm while the Pentax and other higher end medium format cameras tend to use a sensor with a dimension of 44x33mm or larger.

6X6 medium format film is included for comparison.

 

[leadin2]

For those who don't want to read long explanations like me, here's a video from canon us rep. I think it is very detailed and he spells out which user group this camera is targeted for. It is my dream to own a medium format utilizing canon's wide range of lens but think I should start saving up till 5D4 to decide. =p

http://youtu.be/Hl6AKRadEsw

 

[Kit]

It's a misconception to think that hi-res sensors = medium format. They are not the same.

 

[dolina]

It's a misconception to think that hi-res sensors = medium format. They are not the same.

You are correct. It is like saying 51MP Smartphone/Tablet = 51MP m43 = 51MP APS-C = 51MP Full Frame = 51MP Medium Format.

IMHO Canon is targeting users who need the pixels but want to keep to size/weight/price/flexibility of a full frame system.

For my purpose I am waiting for the 5D Mark IV that is rumored to be announced by August.

 

[leadin2]

Thanks for the info!

 

[nightwolf75]

It's a misconception to think that hi-res sensors = medium format. They are not the same.

indeed! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

those who think otherwise, please read this (http://www.gizmag.com/camera-sensor-size-guide/26684/). it is not always about the megapixels. it is also about the quality.

it would be fun for someone to try take the same picture using this and a digital MF... :bsmilie: (one can always dream... though i suspect someone on dpreview will try!)

 

[Andreq]

These 2 cams are clearly targeted at professionals who need to capture fine details. For the price, probably won't attract the common Joe hobbyist.

I find the present Canon DSLR lenses and bodies are already as best as they could get for my photography needs. I'm not interested in more MP, more focusing points, higher ISO (so noisy, what for really?), more fps which manufacturers seem to like to upgrade their cameras to.

I prefer the 'little things' which will really get me excited and seriously make me want to upgrade:

- Ability to set Bulb mode on camera to a few minutes in increments of 5/10 seconds.
- Interval shooting in-camera.
- Better dynamic range.
- On demand grid lines in viewfinder.
- IS in camera body which can also sync with lenses with IS to give more added stabilization.

If the above are possible, I don't mind they compromise the camera to 15MP with 9 focusing points, only centre point cross-type focusing, 4fps. I'll be happy to take it!

 

[XsenseX]

I'm thinking of upgrading from my 5D3 but actually can my current 22mp print up to A1? That's like the biggest I'll ever print in the future. Those bigger canvas don't really need details anyways.

 

[heheapa]

I'm thinking of upgrading from my 5D3 but actually can my current 22mp print up to A1? That's like the biggest I'll ever print in the future. Those bigger canvas don't really need details anyways.

Yes. You should be confident to print A1 size with good detail after proper enlargement and post processing in photoshop.
It's not true that Canvas doesn't need detail. The latest high quality fine art canvas can resolve high resolution image just like your fine art paper. So the higher the resolution, you will get the better details on the large canvas.

 

[SkyStrike]

Just for fun...

http://petapixel.com/2015/02/11/canon-5ds-promo-mugs-poke-fun-nikon-d800-small-36-3mp-sensor/


The gist..

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and the counter in the comments box..

 

[renzokuken]

Personally I see no Point with the 5DS and 5DSR.
In fact I think Canon is confused over their own product lines.

They claim that the 5DS and 5DSR is targeted at landscape photographers or perhaps studio work for people who requires extremely high resolution.
Well as many of you have pointed out, there's something called the Medium Format.
Then you might rebut me:

perhaps it is targeted at people who are studio/landscape photographers who want to utilize Canon's extensive line of lenses

With exception to a few of the "legendary" lenses, at 50.6MP, it is gonna out-resolve 99% of Canon lenses.

Moving on

Regardless how many megapixels you throw in, a Bayer Color Filter Array is a Bayer Color Filter Array is a Bayer Color Filter Array. The camera will not be able to capture really really fine detail as well when compared to a certain Medium Format which captures FULL COLOR INFORMATION, 100% of the scene. Not RBG guess work.

• Would a Landscape Photographer want the (reportedly) same Dynamic Range as 7D2
• Would a Studio Photographer who wants very very fine details want the normal Bayer Color Filter Array?
• Would a Studio Photographer who wants very very fine details want a camera back with the effect of the low pass filter cancelled out (not removed) vs competitors who took out the filer entirely?

And on why I feel Canon is confused over their own product lines.
There's nearly absolutely no justification for them to have 2 models of the same camera.
Since the 5DS and 5DSR is said to target landscape/studio photographers, just make one camera with the LPF (Low Pass Filter) effect cancelled out, why the need for a "5DS"?

and then we have the 750D vs 760D

hahahahaha
they are gonna self-cannibalize their own market while increasing their own supply chain cost for having multiple product lines.

if not for their beautiful ecosystem of lenses and the very well respected professional services
Canon would have long been in the reds

 

[pitoy]

Regardless how many megapixels you throw in, a Bayer Color Filter Array is a Bayer Color Filter Array is a Bayer Color Filter Array. The camera will not be able to capture really really fine detail as well when compared to a certain Medium Format which captures FULL COLOR INFORMATION, 100% of the scene. Not RBG guess work.

Does medium format sensor is not using bayer filter ?

 

[G-man]

Personally I see no Point with the 5DS and 5DSR. In fact I think Canon is confused over their own product lines. They claim that the 5DS and 5DSR is targeted at landscape photographers or perhaps studio work for people who requires extremely high resolution. Well as many of you have pointed out, there's something called the Medium Format. Then you might rebut me: With exception to a few of the "legendary" lenses, at 50.6MP, it is gonna out-resolve 99% of Canon lenses. Moving on Regardless how many megapixels you throw in, a Bayer Color Filter Array is a Bayer Color Filter Array is a Bayer Color Filter Array. The camera will not be able to capture really really fine detail as well when compared to a certain Medium Format which captures FULL COLOR INFORMATION, 100% of the scene. Not RBG guess work. [*]Would a Landscape Photographer want the (reportedly) same Dynamic Range as 7D2 [*]Would a Studio Photographer who wants very very fine details want the normal Bayer Color Filter Array? [*]Would a Studio Photographer who wants very very fine details want a camera back with the effect of the low pass filter cancelled out (not removed) vs competitors who took out the filer entirely? And on why I feel Canon is confused over their own product lines. There's nearly absolutely no justification for them to have 2 models of the same camera. Since the 5DS and 5DSR is said to target landscape/studio photographers, just make one camera with the LPF (Low Pass Filter) effect cancelled out, why the need for a "5DS"? and then we have the 750D vs 760D hahahahaha they are gonna self-cannibalize their own market while increasing their own supply chain cost for having multiple product lines. if not for their beautiful ecosystem of lenses and the very well respected professional services Canon would have long been in the reds

All I can say is, "Well put!"

As a Canon user myself, I am extremely disappointed with the 5DS/r, assuming the reports are true regarding the dynamic range.

And you are spot on in saying the only thing keeping Canon cameras afloat is the wonderful lens ecosystem.

 

[renzokuken]

Does medium format sensor is not using bayer filter ?

Said Medium Format Sensor uses a sensor shifting technology which totally removes the effect brought out by the Bayer Color Filter Array.

There's only one Medium Format with such a feature and recently a M43 joined in.

do that note that said feature is only aimed and targeted at the real professionals who are serious into studio work.
pros who are tremendously technically able and knows what settings to use for specific products and lightings

average consumers and people who don't even know what a Bayer CFA is will find it more fruitful to hone their skills in other aspects of their photography skills.

 

[renzokuken]

All I can say is, "Well put!"

As a Canon user myself, I am extremely disappointed with the 5DS/r, assuming the reports are true regarding the dynamic range.

And you are spot on in saying the only thing keeping Canon cameras afloat is the wonderful lens ecosystem.

thanks

Canon's lens ecosystem cannot be overlooked
it has variety and it has certain very specialized lenses that no other manufacturers have (e.g. Canon MP-E 65mm 1-5x Macro Lens)

but they are also starting to make shitty lenses these days such as the 24~70 f4 L IS

 

[ricleo]

thanks

Canon's lens ecosystem cannot be overlooked
it has variety and it has certain very specialized lenses that no other manufacturers have (e.g. Canon MP-E 65mm 1-5x Macro Lens)

but they are also starting to make shitty lenses these days such as the 24~70 f4 L IS

haha i thought the 24-70F4L IS was a pretty decent lens compared to the 24-105 which many loved to hate just because it was a kit lens.

the latest lenses so far have been pretty good.

i just hope the 5D4 will have much better DR and ISO performance vs the current 5D3.

Was looking at the samples posted by canon japan for the 5DSR.... apart from the hippo shot from the 5DSR and the portrait shot from the 5DS, the rest of the samples are frankly quite disappointing.

the "fantasy" image shows even the 24-70 F2.8 II at F11 can't resolve the 50MP sensor properly...

5Ds:

http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/eos5ds/

5DSR:

http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/eos5dsr/