Well said. :bsmilie:
There are many who purchase FF cameras without really knowing why they want one. :bsmilie:
Canon 7D or 5D Classic for your Taste?
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Well said. :bsmilie:
There are many who purchase FF cameras without really knowing why they want one. :bsmilie:
Cartman2000
Senior Member
5D1 maxes out at 3200.
i voted 5d.
i suppose you could say that the reason would be i like using lenses without having to multiply by 1.6. landscapes, thin dof, appeals to most who swear by ff.
for those who voted 7d, my guess would be that they like speed, range. speed in terms of iso performance as well as burst rate. heavily appeals to sport shooters. i dont know how good the af is though. havent really compared.
i suppose you could say that the reason would be i like using lenses without having to multiply by 1.6. landscapes, thin dof, appeals to most who swear by ff.
for those who voted 7d, my guess would be that they like speed, range. speed in terms of iso performance as well as burst rate. heavily appeals to sport shooters. i dont know how good the af is though. havent really compared.
surrephoto
Senior Member
*BEEP* wrong answer bro... the 5D1 actually maxes out at ISO 1600. ISO 3200 is a push setting.
I may be wrong, but to me an "ancient" digic 2 img from the 30D, 5D, 1DsII has more detail (though slightly noisier, thus opting for full-frame) than their counterparts today.
This is why i purchased a 1DsII and not a 5D2.
spartacus.ret
Senior Member
any links to show this?
If you talk about the DIGIC processor getting in the way of image details, then you must be referring to jpeg output.
From this 20D (DIGIC II) review:
"Our only gripe if we were to isolate one would be that the EOS 20D's in-camera demosaicing / sharpening algorithms don't get the most out of the data delivered to them by the sensor...
You can't deliver visibly more detail into the image (by increasing sharpening) without also making sharpening halos more visible...
When you see the difference between in-camera and shooting RAW and converting via DPP you realize that it's a pity Canon couldn't have implemented this more advanced processing / sharpening algorithm into the EOS 20D for in-camera produced JPEGs."
Fast-forward to year 2009... In their most recent review of 7D vs 50D (DIGIC IV), this is what they have to say regarding jpeg vs RAW sharpness:
"Shooting in RAW format and processing with Adobe ACR 5.6 Beta squeezes some extra detail out of both cameras' output compared to the JPEG output, but the difference is only really noticeable at a pixel-level. This means that both cameras' JPEG engines are already doing a fairly decent job in transferring the captured detail into the final JPEG image."
Time moves on. Do not cling so tightly to the past. :bsmilie:
I had a series of comparison pics that I just deleted after I was sure my recent copy of 7D had mighty impressive performance. :bsmilie:
In any case, the next closest thing is to download jpeg (without NR) from Imaging Resouce (see this vs that) and see them for yourself. Or you can read what this sensor guru has to say. :bsmilie:
In fact, you can easily draw that conclusion for yourself without looking at any comparison photo 'cos it's a well known fact (verified by Chuck Westfall himself in this statement here) that the older 5D sensor suffers badly from banding at high ISO. And that is something very difficult to remove. And I quote:
"There may be cases where random noise or pattern noise [banding] stands out in images taken at high ISO settings. This is because the noise component is also amplified at high ISO settings. Various measures are taken to reduce noise, but the fact is that it cannot be entirely eliminated technologically. We are continuing to work on reducing noise even further."
I am not bashing FF. If anyone has a real need to shoot at 12mm FF or at TRUE f/1.4 DOF, I strongly recommend a FF camera. But I'll say get the 5D2 and forget the old stuff 'cos time moves on... unless, of course, budget is tight. :bsmilie:
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helmet1989
New Member
7d!! dual digic 4 is there for a reason... and the reason is to DOMINATE :devil:
Check this out: 5D vs 7D real life IQ comparison.
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/820707/0
ISO performance
5D at 3200
1/500, f/4
7D at 3200
1/500, f/4
http://digitalphotobuzz.com/canon-7d-vs-5d-comparison
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/820707/0
ISO performance
5D at 3200
1/500, f/4
7D at 3200
1/500, f/4
http://digitalphotobuzz.com/canon-7d-vs-5d-comparison
my vote goes to 5D classic.
IQ is still tops and easier to work with lenses (esp primes) on their actual film equiv focal lengths. i can hit my preferred 24, 50, 85 primes at the exact focal lengths.
in terms of AF, honestly, the average photographer does not need such advanced AF. most of the time, use the centre AF point - focus and recompose. this technique is tried and proven, and to me, more dependable. don't have to worry about a wrongly focused image.
7D probably trumps only with the inbuilt flash transmitter. given i'm an available light photographer, this also is a minor consideration.
however, all these are in my case, your needs may vary.
IQ is still tops and easier to work with lenses (esp primes) on their actual film equiv focal lengths. i can hit my preferred 24, 50, 85 primes at the exact focal lengths.
in terms of AF, honestly, the average photographer does not need such advanced AF. most of the time, use the centre AF point - focus and recompose. this technique is tried and proven, and to me, more dependable. don't have to worry about a wrongly focused image.
7D probably trumps only with the inbuilt flash transmitter. given i'm an available light photographer, this also is a minor consideration.
however, all these are in my case, your needs may vary.
Anthony Lee
Senior Member
At the end of the day, it's the lenses that decide the ultimate result of what will be recorded by the sensor. Because I can use a Zeiss or a Leica lens with ease on a 5d with the ee-s focusing screen, which I can't on a 7d, I will opt for an old and arcade 5d anytime.
surrephoto
Senior Member
Check this out: 5D vs 7D real life IQ comparison.
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/820707/0
ISO performance
5D at 3200
1/500, f/4
7D at 3200
1/500, f/4
http://digitalphotobuzz.com/canon-7d-vs-5d-comparison
To be very honest... my bet would be that the Eos 7D near out-resolves the 24-105 f4L IS. (apologies i didn't really consult the MTF charts of the 24-105... but based on experience, the resolution is quite bad.)
A comparison of a 12 mpx Eos 5D and a 18 mpx Eos 7D on the same lens would be quite unfair to the lens due to the fact that the 18 mpx Eos 7D only uses the centre 30% of the image circle, a great demand of centre resolution! Furthermore some lenses especially modern aspherical lenses may not be strongest in the centre...
The test is only fair if a 45 mpx full-frame camera (1Ds4 perhaps?) was used instead of the Eos 5D classic.
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Huh??? What are you talking about?
An aspheric lens is termed as such because its shape is non-spherical. Its shape is painfully calculated in computer software. It works better than a typical spherical lens 'cos it is free from spherical aberration in which nonparaxial rays focus separately from the usual paraxial beam. Aspheric lenses suffer less from the various forms of optical aberration so that you can have sharper images.
Regardless of how good the 7D imaging sensor is, it appears that Canon has NOT fully resolved the AF inconsistency problem. Some folks who have the latest batch of 7D (s/n 0470...) still suffer from inconsistency AF. Although my replacement copy (s/n 0430...) is working out fine in single shot mode, its area AF algorithm is still in the pits.
Looks like the 7D AF is playing out like the original 1D3 saga. Or is Canon using the original 1D3 AF algorithm and trying it out on the 7D to gain more user feedback? Ewww...
I recommend people to think twice before investing in a 7D. Better go for the tried and tested AF sensor in the 450D/500D/40D/50D/5D/5D2.
Looks like the 7D AF is playing out like the original 1D3 saga. Or is Canon using the original 1D3 AF algorithm and trying it out on the 7D to gain more user feedback? Ewww...
I recommend people to think twice before investing in a 7D. Better go for the tried and tested AF sensor in the 450D/500D/40D/50D/5D/5D2.
Depends on the lens used.
Another guy (he is actually b****ing about 7D AF) compared his 7D to 5D2 and I guess he was using a super sharp macro lens. This is what he said here:
"When manually focused using live view at high magnification, images from the 7D are every bit as sharp and detailed as images from the 5D Mark II, if not more so."
So, if the 7D is as good as the 5D2 but is poorer than 5D (according to previous comparison), can we therefore conclude the 5D2 is poorer than 5D? :bsmilie:
7D is very demanding on the optical quality of the lenses used. Every flaw is revealed.
rendition
Senior Member
5DII is definitely no lousier than 5D but 5D definitely renders sharper pictures (or per-pixel wise) but it's simply due to the known weak AA filter. Or if you prefer, it's prolly due to the stronger and newer AA filter used in 5DII that causes image to not be as tact sharp looking as the 5D.
Not digressing but I also like the sharpness of 1DIII more, again could be the older design of the AA filter, this I am not very sure but of course, am not exactly pixel peeping here, the sharpness is just different.
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