I realised that u meant 5Dm2 only after posting.... wasnt clear to me la because thread is about 5d classic so that was what i was thinking of when i read your post. haha
Canon 7D or 5D Classic for your Taste?
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I realised that u meant 5Dm2 only after posting.... wasnt clear to me la because thread is about 5d classic so that was what i was thinking of when i read your post. haha
commonjunks
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Anyway looking at 7D iso and 5D2 iso @ 12800, i didn't see much difference (i know this thread is related to 5D but thought to just post for information).
ShaneKua
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7D and 5D classic have similar ISO performance. 5DII is a stop better. But 5D has better Depth of Field because of the FF sensor size.
However after shooting YOG events i'm mighty glad I bought a 7D when I was deciding between the two
ISO 12800 is also NOT native to 7D. Most modern day cameras only go up to ISO 1600/3200. The other stratospheric ISO settings are achieved through push-pull at lower ISO levels. One can thus underexpose a 5D shot by 2 stops at ISO 3200 and then increase the exposure by 2 eV in post-processing (RAW), and the effect will be the same as 7D which does the same thing in-camera.
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ShaneKua
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His explanations makes sense.
So underexpose first at 3200 in RAW then push it up as you see fit in PP later. So all the talk about the D3S and 1DIV going to 102,400 is actually firmware pushing it up from 3200, great marketing indeed.
woeilee
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So does shooting at ISO 800, 0 eV, in RAW, then increase by 2 eV in post-processing give the same result as above? Of course the first diff is that the effective shutter speed is slower with ISO 800. Hope I sound right.
clubgrit
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7D and 5D classic have similar ISO performance. 5DII is a stop better. But 5D has better Depth of Field because of the FF sensor size.
However after shooting YOG events i'm mighty glad I bought a 7D when I was deciding between the two
That's where the 7D will shine over any of the 2 5Ds. And with its crop sensor, one 135mm to 200mm was good enough for handholding at all the YOG events I attended.
I myself take these cameras as 2 different "systems", so no disputes
, both fit my taste.Although I like to limit 7D to ISO 3200, I tried my best to limit it at ISO 400 - 800 during YOG for better quality, and it was fine.
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You mean the same as ISO 3200?
Not quite.
On the original 5D, sensor amplification actually goes up to ISO 1600. So, shooting at -1 eV at ISO 1600 RAW and then increasing exposure by +1 eV in post-processing will give the same results as shooting at ISO 3200 in-camera.
For event shooting, I would choose the 7D. 1.6 x focal length multiplication means better reach from existing lenses which comes in useful for say, models on a runway. Faster autofocus is advantageous too.
For nature shots, I would choose the 5D. Better wide angle from existing lenses.
Don't forget the 7D has HD video built in which may be a factor if you are dabbling in videography. The 5D does not.
I chose the 5D cos it's FF and has better bokeh/subject isolation which is a BIG factor for me.
Its not how good the specs are.
Its how the image feels to you. Shot with both cameras before, I havent shot a camera that was better than the old 5D in terms of color except for the Fuji S5. (Not taking into account medium format due to the erm......price difference)
Only issue with the 5D is the screen, its only good for judging framing and thats about it.
Its how the image feels to you. Shot with both cameras before, I havent shot a camera that was better than the old 5D in terms of color except for the Fuji S5. (Not taking into account medium format due to the erm......price difference)
Only issue with the 5D is the screen, its only good for judging framing and thats about it.
I totally agree with your statement regarding the picture output.
As for the screen, when I preview pictures on the LCD, it does not look very good, but once uploaded to PC, it seems like there is some form of magic, the picture output is totally different.
This 5D is really a "classic"camera. I have absolutely no regrets buying it.
litechaser
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yup, no doubt abt it. 5D is called a classic not for nothing :thumbsup:
Silas
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I chose 5D over 7D for it's ability for thin DOF and very good price at $1.4k for a FF cam. Besides, i already have a 50D for a crop and guess what the best part is for users who pair either 40D or 50D with the 5D classic...the batteries are the same type so it so convenient...haha...
I feel that in this discussion, the comparison is really quite biased.
You're comparing both cameras just because they belong to the xD range and for price?
I agree with most here on the 5D classic simply because its full frame.
If the argument is, do you really need a full frame? Then maybe you don't really need a 7D.
There are many good competitors for the 7D in the APS-C arena. These fine comparisons of noise (ie. expanding above 6400) don't really surface a lot for most users. Look through professional galleries of people using 1Ds 3 or 5D2 or 5D, or whatever camera. How many serious shoots are done above ISO 400? (Except perhaps stage work).
Events, photoshoots, fast lenses or good flashes always come up as priorities.
I currently own a 40D and am looking to go to 5D. I feel that the 7D doesn't justify any cost given its 3-4x price of a 40D. Without pixel peeping, its quite hard to see the noise @ ISO 1250 if you expose well. This is based on viewing on a 23" monitor. Noise generally comes in only in dark exposures anyway, something to be considered.
So if you're comparing 5D vs 7D...
I reiterate again that 5D belongs to the FF arena, all the supporters of the 5D here generally are right about what they're saying. Theres probably no better price-performance camera in the FF arena.
7D however, leaves a lot to be justified. If you bought this camera because you need to be in the xD league, its your perogative. Else, there are many good crop cameras for less price.
Ultimately, I also feel that bodies come and go, lenses stay. And the lenses that usually stay are the FF lenses too. But I cross a line here and recognize that this is purely my opinion.
You're comparing both cameras just because they belong to the xD range and for price?
I agree with most here on the 5D classic simply because its full frame.
If the argument is, do you really need a full frame? Then maybe you don't really need a 7D.
There are many good competitors for the 7D in the APS-C arena. These fine comparisons of noise (ie. expanding above 6400) don't really surface a lot for most users. Look through professional galleries of people using 1Ds 3 or 5D2 or 5D, or whatever camera. How many serious shoots are done above ISO 400? (Except perhaps stage work).
Events, photoshoots, fast lenses or good flashes always come up as priorities.
I currently own a 40D and am looking to go to 5D. I feel that the 7D doesn't justify any cost given its 3-4x price of a 40D. Without pixel peeping, its quite hard to see the noise @ ISO 1250 if you expose well. This is based on viewing on a 23" monitor. Noise generally comes in only in dark exposures anyway, something to be considered.
So if you're comparing 5D vs 7D...
I reiterate again that 5D belongs to the FF arena, all the supporters of the 5D here generally are right about what they're saying. Theres probably no better price-performance camera in the FF arena.
7D however, leaves a lot to be justified. If you bought this camera because you need to be in the xD league, its your perogative. Else, there are many good crop cameras for less price.
Ultimately, I also feel that bodies come and go, lenses stay. And the lenses that usually stay are the FF lenses too. But I cross a line here and recognize that this is purely my opinion.
ShaneKua
Senior Member
Using both the 5D2 & 7D, the 7D locks ALOT better in low light events like concerts. So much faster with the same lenses that it’s no contest.
Also the full cross-type points array helps alot. Sure you can use the focus-recompose method in the 5D’s center AF. But using f1.4 lens will make that VERY VERY difficult to nab focus. With the 7D it’s just flick to outer AF points-*snap*. All the image sensor quality in the world cannot save you if you can’t nab focus. So yes, i can FULLY justify my purchase of the 7D in many, many ways - I won’t trade any other 1.6x crop camera, past or present for it.
I love my 5D2’s image quality, but there are times I wise the AF was just a tad more responsive, a tad more complete. I mean, just NINE cross type points, Canon. Would that be very hard!?
Hmm, the EF-S 10-22 was introduced in 2004, and the 17-55 in 2006. They both seem to be going strong.
I don't focus and recompose on my 5D anymore, I put on a Ee-S screen on it and focus manually. Even my 1DIIn (also with Ee-S screen equivalent) has problems with locking AF in the (very) early morning during events.
One thing to consider if you shoot at night with a 5D and need your focus to be spot on and use a f/2.8 or faster lens. The Ee-S screen helps with seeing the real DOF especially with f/1.4 or faster lenses.
One thing to consider if you shoot at night with a 5D and need your focus to be spot on and use a f/2.8 or faster lens. The Ee-S screen helps with seeing the real DOF especially with f/1.4 or faster lenses.
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