Canon 60D: Homerun or Disappointment?

[tongki]

No worries Halfmoon... Nikon got serious problems with counting...
D40 and D60 is entry level...
D3000 and D5000 is entry level too...
D90 is semi pro... but D7000 is semi pro too...
D300s is semi pro... (higher end like canon 7D)
D700 is full frame...
D3s is like Canon 1D...

No idea what is the difference between got "s" or no "s"...

It took me quite a while to understand Nikon range... haha!

It's because nikon dont know where to start the number,
They already made mistake at the earlier nikon D1 and they continuing it with D2,
So, the top of the line nikon line up is nikon camera #3 :bsmilie:

Dunno what number nikon gonna put for the new D3,
Will they continuing it with the number 4 ?

Nikon D3 and D3s, I think D3s was meant for speed, CMIIW

 

[raydio]

I used evaluative... normally I would use exposure compensation or manual mode if I find it too dark or too bright... So I seldom use the other metering methods...

The photos you took are very impressive! The 60D can certainly handle high ISO's... even at 12,800 the photo is usable! Details are retained nicely right up to 6400!

 

[Halfmoon]

The Nikon D700 has been around for a while... it was introduced on July 1, 2008.

The D700 is a full frame camera and competes directly against the Canon 5D Mk II.

No worries Halfmoon... Nikon got serious problems with counting...
D40 and D60 is entry level...
D3000 and D5000 is entry level too...
D90 is semi pro... but D7000 is semi pro too...
D300s is semi pro... (higher end like canon 7D)
D700 is full frame...
D3s is like Canon 1D...

No idea what is the difference between got "s" or no "s"...

It took me quite a while to understand Nikon range... haha!

Frankly speaking, I am think that Sony's no. is much more better....

The Nikons numbering is like...... ti gam ti gam... anyhow wack no.... one...

Still.... hope to see a price war break out.......

 

[raydio]

Frankly speaking, I am think that Sony's no. is much more better....

The Nikons numbering is like...... ti gam ti gam... anyhow wack no.... one...

Still.... hope to see a price war break out.......

A price war would be nice! Has it ever happened in the camera industry?

 

[tongki]

A price war would be nice! Has it ever happened in the camera industry?

D300 vs 7D,
only 3 months, 7D drop into the lowest price, just to compete D300 :bsmilie:

 

[tongki]

Some of 60D results :

And here's Eiffel :

 

[raydio]

Some of 60D results :

Very impressive! I especially liked the 2nd photo with the inset of the bird.

Which lens were you using?

Good night photo of the Eiffel Tower!

 

[miketanct]

Some of 60D results :

And here's Eiffel :

Wow, me jealous you get to bring your new 60D all the way to Europe to test it!
I can only test in Singapore leh....

:bigeyes:

 

[postal]

Can you do me a favor and shoot one photo of the same setting, go nearer if possible, handhold at ISO 800, F2.8 in M mode with partial metering, center point only, metered against the 3 bottles. Thanks.

Noted noted... I will try it again tonight... :-D

Hey Postal the 60D shows promising potential at high ISO!

But the WB seems way off. Maybe you can correct it manually in your next shoot instead of AWB?

The photos you took are very impressive! The 60D can certainly handle high ISO's... even at 12,800 the photo is usable! Details are retained nicely right up to 6400!

I manually set one of the pre setting... Think I use Kelvin for the test again later...

and yeah... ISO 6400 is pretty impressive... I will give 12800 a miss though... :bsmilie:

 

[Anthony Lee]

Noted noted... I will try it again tonight... :-D

I manually set one of the pre setting... Think I use Kelvin for the test again later...

and yeah... ISO 6400 is pretty impressive... I will give 12800 a miss though... :bsmilie:

Thanks Postal. Forget to ask, did you shoot in jpec or raw? Can you shoot in raw, then process it in DPP, just sharpening, and convert to jpec, size about 900 x 600. Really appreciate your effort and thanks once again.

 

[postal]

Thanks Postal. Forget to ask, did you shoot in jpec or raw? Can you shoot in raw, then process it in DPP, just sharpening, and convert to jpec, size about 900 x 600. Really appreciate your effort and thanks once again.

I shoot in jpeg... I don't use DPP though... got time I help ya check it out... :-D

 

[Odyssey-Boy]

I am having the dilemma of changing my 550D to a 60D... :embrass::embrass:

 

[nightpiper]

I use a Sumsung 23" bought just recently. My son does everything for me, lucky I know how to use the system as I am 64. Don't understand what's 100% aRGB. Your photos look better in the night but still different from what I saw those on the Pentax forum shot with the K5 with also cheap lenses. What lens did you use for these photos?

When I bought my 40D in Jan 2009, I tested it against the 50D and prefered the image rendering of the 40D. I have used my friends 7D and also do not like the rendering. My brother bought the 60D on the first day of its launch and I told him his photos are very ordinary. Here is one with my 40D and I think it was the Zeiss Planar 50f1.7 and you can see the difference from what I am seeing here including your photos. Can it be my monitor? It's not just about the color but the presence of the subject.

U can check the specs of the monitor by going to the manufacturer's website, but my gut feel dun think this samsung 23" can display the full spectrum of colours. The problem with such displays (using TN panels & not S-IPS type) is that u tend to overdo/boost the colours becos its lacking.

The lens i used r EF-S 17-55 F2.8 & 55-250. I understand u r someone who appreciates quality optics so i wudn't recommend u touch the 55-250, very crappy lens.

Sorry, didn't feel anything diff from the Zeiss Planar shot. Shud be ur monitor not giving u accurate results so whatever u tweaked in the image is showing differently on my monitor (that also explains why my shot looks blend & flat on urs). Coming back to 40D, i bot the 60D juz becos i cudn't get any other cam 2 weeks ago for my trip, however on the contrary, i find it renders better than 40D due to less false colours. The extra MP is a big welcome too for those scenic stuff :lovegrin:

Here's one more for u, the gold looks very gold on my monitor, but i think u shud see it as normal/blend looking gold.

How about this one?

The overall colour of this one?

 

[raydio]

I am having the dilemma of changing my 550D to a 60D... :embrass::embrass:

What is the dilemma? The 550D is a good camera but the 60D is very impressive. What are your concerns? Maybe someone here can help you.

 

[raydio]

i wudn't recommend u touch the 55-250, very crappy lens.

I've heard only good things about the 55-250. Very sharp lens. What don't you like about it?

 

[henry soh]

Hi, Just sold 550D and got 60D because it has raw processing, swivel LCD, top panel, but a little heavier for me.

 

[Anthony Lee]

U can check the specs of the monitor by going to the manufacturer's website, but my gut feel dun think this samsung 23" can display the full spectrum of colours. The problem with such displays (using TN panels & not S-IPS type) is that u tend to overdo/boost the colours becos its lacking.

The lens i used r EF-S 17-55 F2.8 & 55-250. I understand u r someone who appreciates quality optics so i wudn't recommend u touch the 55-250, very crappy lens.

Sorry, didn't feel anything diff from the Zeiss Planar shot. Shud be ur monitor not giving u accurate results so whatever u tweaked in the image is showing differently on my monitor (that also explains why my shot looks blend & flat on urs). Coming back to 40D, i bot the 60D juz becos i cudn't get any other cam 2 weeks ago for my trip, however on the contrary, i find it renders better than 40D due to less false colours. The extra MP is a big welcome too for those scenic stuff :lovegrin:

Here's one more for u, the gold looks very gold on my monitor, but i think u shud see it as normal/blend looking gold.

How about this one?

The overall colour of this one?

Thanks for your sharing. I also look at my photos at my friend's expensive system with well calibrated monitor and they look exactly the same or there about on mine. Yes your first photo is more like it, the gold is very gold and the tonal clarity is better. But I don't like the portrait as the color rendition is not to my liking, exactly the same when I had the EFS 17-55on my 40D, and also very flat. I like the portraits taken by Fengwei, the Pentax moderator, as most of the subjects tend to pop up at you, not so much of color. By the way, did you shoot raw or jpec?

 

[nightpiper]

I've heard only good things about the 55-250. Very sharp lens. What don't you like about it?

Its only sharp at the center, about 50% of the frame. At the tele end (~220 - 250mm) the images r soft no matter how much u step down. Get the 70-200 F4 L if budget allows

Thanks for your sharing. I also look at my photos at my friend's expensive system with well calibrated monitor and they look exactly the same or there about on mine. Yes your first photo is more like it, the gold is very gold and the tonal clarity is better. But I don't like the portrait as the color rendition is not to my liking, exactly the same when I had the EFS 17-55on my 40D, and also very flat. I like the portraits taken by Fengwei, the Pentax moderator, as most of the subjects tend to pop up at you, not so much of color. By the way, did you shoot raw or jpec?

Expensive sys doesn't mean a thing if the monitor can't display all the colours. Also no use calibrating becos it simply can't show u those hues/saturation no matter what. If the screen is not showing at least 95% of NTSC or IEC or aRGB colour gamut, u won't get accurate colours. So far only S-IPS can get that & those e-IPS panels is about 87%. All TN panels can't no matter what the label says (Contrast 1000:1, 16.7mil colours, etc) Another thing to note, if u r using Win7, there's a screen calibration feature, not super accurate but its better than nothing (usable).

The problem with screen not displaying full colours is not a big deal if u r juz viewing it. The biggest problem comes when u want to print those pics either from home or lab.

I shoot RAW, PP using DPP. Minor touch up using PShop. The lady with the dog is shot inside her shop with mix lighting at nite. But i feel 60D has done a great job on that one

 

[Anthony Lee]

Its only sharp at the center, about 50% of the frame. At the tele end (~220 - 250mm) the images r soft no matter how much u step down. Get the 70-200 F4 L if budget allows




Expensive sys doesn't mean a thing if the monitor can't display all the colours. Also no use calibrating becos it simply can't show u those hues/saturation no matter what. If the screen is not showing at least 95% of NTSC or IEC or aRGB colour gamut, u won't get accurate colours. So far only S-IPS can get that & those e-IPS panels is about 87%. All TN panels can't no matter what the label says (Contrast 1000:1, 16.7mil colours, etc) Another thing to note, if u r using Win7, there's a screen calibration feature, not super accurate but its better than nothing (usable).

The problem with screen not displaying full colours is not a big deal if u r juz viewing it. The biggest problem comes when u want to print those pics either from home or lab.

I shoot RAW, PP using DPP. Minor touch up using PShop. The lady with the dog is shot inside her shop with mix lighting at nite. But i feel 60D has done a great job on that one

Will do some research on monitors and calibration as I need to learn otherwise I may be on a wild goose chase. I shoot mainly my grandson, some events like weddings and some scenery. So far, the prints I made of my grandson matched what I see on my monitor, that's why I never knew the real importance of a proper and calibrated monitor, if there is one universally. I also know that color rendition can be very subjective, and also most single brand user will also tend to be more defensive. I have gone through all that, and the reason I am still using a Canon 5D is that it's the most practical SLR with a digital back, and dumb enough to suit me plus the biggest factor, it can take all the legacy lenses out there. I keep an old Tokina 28-70 f2.6-2.8 AF lens just in case I need it for fast moving events like niece or nephew weddings, otherwise I prefer manual focus as I have all the time in the world. My brother is back from his holidays, so I will get a chance to shoot his 60D more extensively. Will let you know how I really feel. Thanks for your sharing once again.

 

[nightpiper]

Will do some research on monitors and calibration as I need to learn otherwise I may be on a wild goose chase. I shoot mainly my grandson, some events like weddings and some scenery. So far, the prints I made of my grandson matched what I see on my monitor, that's why I never knew the real importance of a proper and calibrated monitor, if there is one universally. I also know that color rendition can be very subjective, and also most single brand user will also tend to be more defensive. I have gone through all that, and the reason I am still using a Canon 5D is that it's the most practical SLR with a digital back, and dumb enough to suit me plus the biggest factor, it can take all the legacy lenses out there. I keep an old Tokina 28-70 f2.6-2.8 AF lens just in case I need it for fast moving events like niece or nephew weddings, otherwise I prefer manual focus as I have all the time in the world. My brother is back from his holidays, so I will get a chance to shoot his 60D more extensively. Will let you know how I really feel. Thanks for your sharing once again.

As a general rule of thumb, if the monitor has H/V 178/178 degrees viewing angles, its likely a IPS panel (can be of diff variants) but may not necessary display 100% colour. For eg, a mac 27" LED backlit monitor although using IPS panel, gives ~87%. People in labs tends to do correction unless otherwise advice, but as long as u like the results, then thats ok.

I have the Tokina 28-70 also, F mount. Quality not good le. The funny thing was when i bot it back then, the shop didn't want to sell me the Nikkor AFD 28-70, but instead told me Tokina is comparable & has the same resolution as the real thing. After using it, found that its far from the real thing, bot a Nikkor 28-105 later, & surprisingly its better than the Tokina. HAHAHAHA!!!