Canon 60D: Homerun or Disappointment?

60D: Home Run or Big Disappoinment?


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Pretty obvious Canon is segmenting themselves to have 3 bodies for amateurs and 4 bodies for semipro/pro isnt it?

Entry level= SD Cards
Pro= CF cards

That aside, the 60D makes alot of sense. They will definitely keep their bigger features hidden away for the newer pro bodies and then allow it to filter downwards.

At the moment I cant see where Canon went wrong in terms of marketing/product/segmenting strategy. All this "URGH 60D IS HORRIBLE WHY DID CANON RELEASE IT" talk only serves to push these very users to the next(and more expensive) level......

As for the competition......lets see what Nikon comes up with before saying anything :)
 

Pretty obvious Canon is segmenting themselves to have 3 bodies for amateurs and 4 bodies for semipro/pro isnt it?

Entry level= SD Cards
Pro= CF cards

That aside, the 60D makes alot of sense. They will definitely keep their bigger features hidden away for the newer pro bodies and then allow it to filter downwards.

At the moment I cant see where Canon went wrong in terms of marketing/product/segmenting strategy. All this "URGH 60D IS HORRIBLE WHY DID CANON RELEASE IT" talk only serves to push these very users to the next(and more expensive) level......

As for the competition......lets see what Nikon comes up with before saying anything :)

but this makes 60D a threat to 550D instead of 50D because the nature of 60D is much closer to the rebel now than the previous xxD series, it's not horrible in term of a new product but it's horrible in term of "upgrade" for xxD series and don't forget there's people that buy the previous xxD series just for the bigger body feel alone(one of the reason i sold my d90 and get 50D), let see what nikon D7000 will look like when it come out :D

edit: and don't forget the micro AF adjust(it might not be a too important feature for canon lens user but for third party lens user, u'll be very thankfull that this feature exist on ur cam), that and the body size alone is enough to make me dun want to touch the 60D, well then this make decision making more easier, my next upgrade would have to be a xD series lol :p
 

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I will buy it..i waited so long for the articulating lcd...and im using a 400D...and i seriously hope the plastic body will release some weight away from this camera..since im using it on a travel

Anyone know how much its selling for?

Not much weight reduced. 60D is 755g, while the bigger 50D is 822g (both include battery). So it's just 67g less. Not a big difference.
 

At the moment I cant see where Canon went wrong in terms of marketing/product/segmenting strategy. All this "URGH 60D IS HORRIBLE WHY DID CANON RELEASE IT" talk only serves to push these very users to the next(and more expensive) level......
As for the competition......lets see what Nikon comes up with before saying anything :)

Sony A55:
US$749 with kit lens
16.2MP (effective) APS HD CMOS sensor
Fixed, pellicle-type semi-translucent mirror
15-point phase-detection AF array with 3 cross-type AF points
EVF with 1.15 million dot resolution, 100% FOV, 1.1x magnification
500g (body, card & battery)
Built-in GPS
Electronic level in EVF/LCD with pitch/roll indicator
Dual-purpose Memory Stick/SD card slot
10fps continuous shooting rate (effective rate is 6 fps)
1080p AVCHD movie mode with continuous AF
Articulated 3" 'TruBlack' LCD with 912k dots

Canon 60D:
US$1249 with 18-55 kit lens, US$1099 body only
18 MP (effective) APS CMOS sensor
9-point phase-detection AF array, all cross-type AF points
OVF with 96% FOV, 0.95x magnification
755g (body, card & battery)
NO built-in GPS
Electronic level in OVF/LCD with pitch/roll indicator
Single SD card slot
5.3fps continuous shooting rate
1080p MOV movie mode WITHOUT continuous AF
Articulated 3" LCD with 1040k dots

Rumored Nikon D7000 specs:
US$1199 body only
Magnesium alloy body
16 MP APS CMOS sensor
39-point phase-detection AF array
OVF with 100% FOV
Dual CF/ SD card slots
~6.5fps continuous shooting rate
1080p movie mode WITH continuous AF

The 60D is over-priced and under-spec when compared to A55.

If I have no lens investments and just want to dabble with an interchangeable lens camera, the A55 is the obvious choice.
 

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Sony A55:
US$749 with kit lens
16.2MP (effective) APS HD CMOS sensor
Fixed, pellicle-type semi-translucent mirror
15-point phase-detection AF array with 3 cross-type AF points
EVF with 1.15 million dot resolution, 100% FOV, 1.1x magnification
500g (body, card & battery)
Built-in GPS
Electronic level in EVF/LCD with pitch/roll indicator
Dual-purpose Memory Stick/SD card slot
10fps continuous shooting rate (effective rate is 6 fps)
1080p AVCHD movie mode with continuous AF
Articulated 3" 'TruBlack' LCD with 912k dots

Canon 60D:
US$1249 with 18-55 kit lens
18 MP (effective) APS CMOS sensor
9-point phase-detection AF array, all cross-type AF points
OVF with 96% FOV, 0.95x magnification
755g (body, card & battery)
NO built-in GPS
Electronic level in OVF/LCD with pitch/roll indicator
Single SD card slot
5.3fps continuous shooting rate
1080p MOV movie mode WITHOUT continuous AF
Articulated 3" LCD with 1040k dots

Rumored Nikon D7000 specs:
US$1199 body only
Magnesium alloy body
16 MP (effective) APS CMOS sensor
39-point phase-detection AF array
OVF with 100% FOV
Dual CF/ SD card slots
~6.5fps continuous shooting rate
1080p movie mode WITH continuous AF

The 60D is over-priced and under-spec when compared to A55.

true compared to the above camera, 60D seems a joke to me it's like 550D pack into a xxD series body retaining the same spec, and i've seen the video AF demo of A55, it's darn accurate and fast and D7000 rumor is very2 tempting with the almost same announced suggested retail price as 60D
 

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don't need to jump the gun. the D90 replacement is yet to be launched and canon movie specs has been way better than nikon's for the past 2 years. lol.

unfortunately, most people here are photographers, not videographers. :angel:

well, at least i think they want to take photographs.......
 

Just one question, is plastic that really bad for a camera body? We dun really bump them around the corners of the walls or against hard objects. Seen one of the youtube video that shows someone abusing 400D, and yet the camera can still shoots( okie up to the last abuse) .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1tTBncIsm8

The only disadvantage, i think, is the balance of the camera, when mounting heavy lens, which can be improved by getting a battery grip.

Anyone care to shed some light?
i think the problem is not that the 60d is made out of plastic,

it's the fact that the xxd series USED to be made out of magnesium alloy, then now they are making it in plastic.

this shows the direction of the company. :)
 

but this makes 60D a threat to 550D instead of 50D because the nature of 60D is much closer to the rebel now than the previous xxD series, it's not horrible in term of a new product but it's horrible in term of "upgrade" for xxD series and don't forget there's people that buy the previous xxD series just for the bigger body feel alone(one of the reason i sold my d90 and get 50D), let see what nikon D7000 will look like when it come out

I dont believe that Canon intends users to upgrade within the same segment bracket. They are hoping you move from a 550D to an xxD. In this case, 60D offers better controls, better AF, perhaps a bigger VF(needa verify this) and flash control.

The whole idea of "upgrading" nowadays is to push people to the next bracket. 1 year cycles are meant to push the 2 year old users(500D users now) to this camera or the 7D.

Sony A55:
US$749 with kit lens
16.2MP (effective) APS HD CMOS sensor
Fixed, pellicle-type semi-translucent mirror
15-point phase-detection AF array with 3 cross-type AF points
EVF with 1.15 million dot resolution, 100% FOV, 1.1x magnification
500g (body, card & battery)
Built-in GPS
Electronic level in EVF/LCD with pitch/roll indicator
Dual-purpose Memory Stick/SD card slot
10fps continuous shooting rate (effective rate is 6 fps)
1080p AVCHD movie mode with continuous AF
Articulated 3" 'TruBlack' LCD with 912k dots

Canon 60D:
US$1249 with 18-55 kit lens, US$1099 body only
18 MP (effective) APS CMOS sensor
9-point phase-detection AF array, all cross-type AF points
OVF with 96% FOV, 0.95x magnification
755g (body, card & battery)
NO built-in GPS
Electronic level in OVF/LCD with pitch/roll indicator
Single SD card slot
5.3fps continuous shooting rate
1080p MOV movie mode WITHOUT continuous AF
Articulated 3" LCD with 1040k dots

Rumored Nikon D7000 specs:
US$1199 body only
Magnesium alloy body
16 MP APS CMOS sensor
39-point phase-detection AF array
OVF with 100% FOV
Dual CF/ SD card slots
~6.5fps continuous shooting rate
1080p movie mode WITH continuous AF

The 60D is over-priced and under-spec when compared to A55.

If I have no lens investments and just want to dabble with an interchangeable lens camera, the A55 is the obvious choice.

Valid points in terms of specs. But one thing we must remember is that Canon is 1 of the big 2. Not everyone relies on specs to do their shopping, word of mouth plays a large part.

2ndly, the specs that the A55 has, are they really relevant? Yes, their video has continuous focus. But dont you realize that its the semi-pros/pros(armed with rigs, Wire focus attachments, 2k tripods) that is driving the HDSLR video revolution? these people have no use for AF during video and they are the ones buying 4 5D2's at one shot. AF for video will come when consumers actually buy enough of Canon's HDSLRs for video use. As of now, the pros are dictating the features.

EVFs are all well and good, but have we found an EVF that has beaten an OVF? I doubt so and I believe I have handled enough cameras to know that. This newest EVF from Sony might prove me wrong, but lets see.

15 point AF, 3 Cross types. 9 point AF. All cross types. I would say personal preference but from handling an A500, A900, I would say the Canon's AF system still works better(subject to personal preference)

As for plastic bodies, this seems to be part of Canon's segmentation strategy. Plastic build + SD= Entry/Amateur level. CF + Magnesium alloy = Pro.

As for micro adjustment features, I dont use it but many here seem to do so. Whatever it is, its developed technology and I dont know why did Canon drop it. Cost cutting/added incentive to jump to 7D might be 2 of the possible reasons. If this impacts their sales, then its a bad move, nothing more.

As for price, we all know that Sony is engaging in a price war to try and grab market share. Its been quite awhile since they entered the market, I do not see them dominating the entry level segment. Its not that they make bad cameras( the A850 with the Zeiss 85 is an absolute joy to shoot with), just that the reputation is not as established.

Relax guys, I am not trying to sing Canon's praises or diss Sony or anything, just saying that if the 60D is a disappointment, you can always change brands or buy a 7D :) Canon is gambling that the xxD user has enough lenses to prevent him from changing, which according to this thrend, seems to be working out.

As for new users, I would say Canon has a strong entry level line up, if new users are jumping to the other brands, then the next iteration will be a stunner. We saw that happen with the 550D when the KX,D90 were eating into Canon's market share.
 

in short for xxD users, buy the 7D or switch camp. :)
 

As a consolation, Sony lenses are still not up to snuff in general and Canon is not done with their Photokina announcements yet... At least, we know the G12 is confirmed but not announced, so there is an outside chance Canon may have something better up their sleeves.
 

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The 60D we had in mind was dead the moment Canon launched the 7D. So, I was expecting something different, and hey presto, the new 60D. "Pellicle", old Canon's technology, right?
 

in short for xxD users, buy the 7D or switch camp.

Succinct, direct and correct. But you can add "5DII" after the 7D :thumbsup:

As a consolation, Sony lenses are still not up to snuff in general and Canon is not done with their Photokina announcements yet... At least, we know the G12 is confirmed but not announced yet, so there is an outside chance Canon may have something better up their sleeves.

Possibly. But Sony lenses are not lightweights, the Zeiss lenses on their own are more than a match for the Canon Ls. IMO the 135,85 Zeiss lenses are at the level of the 85 and 135Ls. Try the A850 and 85 Zeiss for a day and you will know what I mean.

The 60D we had in mind was dead the moment Canon launched the 7D. So, I was expecting something different, and hey presto, the new 60D. "Pellicle", old Canon's technology, right?

To be honest when the 7D came out, I was expecting the xxD to end at the 50D. But Canon decided to flog the dead horse 1 last time. Both choices made sense and had the same intention, force xxD users to the 7D series.
 

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I was wondering why no one mentioned about the changes in the layout of all the buttons. It seems to be that they have 'dumbed' down the layout in general, and experienced users with the XXD series might feel crippled with the loss of some direct access buttons.

Somehow, I don't like the position of the on-off switch, but maybe that's just me.
 

As a consolation, Sony lenses are still not up to snuff in general and Canon is not done with their Photokina announcements yet... At least, we know the G12 is confirmed but not announced, so there is an outside chance Canon may have something better up their sleeves.

Agreed. Photokina is still 3 to 4 weeks away. The G12 is almost a given. There is a strong possibility that the Canon 1Ds Mark IV may be announced too. Not to mention the rumoured 24-70 IS lens.
 

Possibly. But Sony lenses are not lightweights, the Zeiss lenses on their own are more than a match for the Canon Ls. IMO the 135,85 Zeiss lenses are at the level of the 85 and 135Ls. Try the A850 and 85 Zeiss for a day and you will know what I mean.

You are totally right, of course. Sony also has an excellent 16-80 f/3.5-4.5. But I was not thinking of those lenses. I was considering: 18-55 f/3.5-5.6 IS kit, 55-250 f/4-5.6 IS kit, 10-22 (Sony's 11-18 is meh...), 17-55 f/2.8 IS, 70-200 f/4, TSE etc etc. :)
 

unfortunately, most people here are photographers, not videographers. :angel:

well, at least i think they want to take photographs.......

it is the way of the future. which brand hasn't a video dslr in its lineup? lol.

at least u get a good feature regardless u want to use it or not. not like the joke of a video feature from the other brands. :bsmilie:
 

i think the problem is not that the 60d is made out of plastic,

it's the fact that the xxd series USED to be made out of magnesium alloy, then now they are making it in plastic.

this shows the direction of the company. :)

yeah. its almost as bad as companies that make colorful cameras. :sweatsm:
 

My initial reactions based purely on specs and features.

If we gauge it from a price/spec/feature standpoint, it's a powerful yet great value cam... If we look at it from a traditional xxD standpoint, it seems weird.

I don't like losing the joystick and losing FEC control via hard button and losing AF adjust though... The rest are mighty sweet for the price.
 

It's clear that, Canon is making a model with a specification that is equal to that of the DXX series of Nikon. So, if you want the 'real' 60D, 7D is the way.
 

The 60D is a rather disappointing announcement in my opinion. It really just became an enhanced or super XXX series now.

The in-camera RAW editing and all the other whistles and bells only sounds good for the more serious hobbyist who doesn't have much computer software or something. The screen's nice but it has been long overdue.

I think the 60D is attractive to only a small portion of camera enthusiasts.
 

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