Canon 500D (T1i) vs Nikon D90

[ZerocoolAstra]

Can always crop the corners to reduce the vignetting. Or zoom a bit.
If you use good lens and thin filter, should not have to worry about vignetting.

 

[astroaquarius]

Looking at all the differences between the 450D and 500D, most of the new things I don't want anyway. Movie mode, the extra (nosier) megapixels, HDMI out, creative auto mode, etc...not overly worried about that. The clearer, brighter screen would be nice to have but I can live without it. What is concerning me is that the 500D now has Peripheral Illumination Correction to fix vignetting, whereas the 450D doesn't. Is this an issue? Can it be fixed in Photoshop, or is it really good to have?

As long as the photo was shot using a Canon lens, you can auto-fix vignetting and distortion by simply using supplied DPP software which recognizes the lens model and focal length the picture was taken in.

 

[aungzawwin]

As long as the photo was shot using a Canon lens, you can auto-fix vignetting and distortion by simply using supplied DPP software which recognizes the lens model and focal length the picture was taken in.

but u have to shoot in RAW..right?

 

[MelbourneGuy]

but u have to shoot in RAW..right?

It's ok, I play on shooting in RAW all the time.

 

[Shen siung]

Yes the free camera course (not photography course) is offered by new Canon user purchase new camera.
You may want to check this out for free photography talk

http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5059125#post5059125

 

[MelbourneGuy]

Yes the free camera course (not photography course) is offered by new Canon user purchase new camera.
You may want to check this out for free photography talk

http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5059125#post5059125

Ah, looks really good!

I noticed part of the course is a section called "What lens should I buy?".

Do you think I should buy the body first, do the course and pay attention to that section, and then go and get my lens?

 

[ZerocoolAstra]

Ah, looks really good!

I noticed part of the course is a section called "What lens should I buy?".

Do you think I should buy the body first, do the course and pay attention to that section, and then go and get my lens?

If you do that, all the days between buying the body and the lens, you'll be staring at the body on your table (or wherever), knowing you can't take a single photo with it. Heart-ache...

 

[gnohz]

If you do that, all the days between buying the body and the lens, you'll be staring at the body on your table (or wherever), knowing you can't take a single photo with it. Heart-ache...

:bsmilie::bsmilie: That's true. It'll be pure torture :bsmilie:

 

[wildsoyabean]

What is this trinity you are talking about?
I wouldn't get a third party lens probably because it's my understanding that you lose things like image stabilisation/VR and silent wave motor/USM.

I read that digital cameras, unlike film cameras, tend to show a bit of noise with long exposures at night time (even with low ISOs)...is that true?

third party have VR and USM too...
e.g tamron is the first third party that comes out with 3 axis vibration reduction.
sigma has IS too or they call it OS.

and some even claim sigma HSM 50mm f1.4 beats rules over nikon and canon (i haven tried i dunno)

 

[Neo]

When I've played around with the 17-55 lens for a while I will look at adding a EF 24-105L F/4 lens too. I really don't want to start off with a kit lens because I'd rather just buy something great to start off with. I know I run the risk of losing out if I decide its not for me, but I could always purchase second hand I guess. The kit lens has had such bad reviews I just don't want to go near it.

The other advantage is that the 17-55 is a lightweight lens, and because Canon EF/EF-S lenses all have motors built in, the 450D body is motorless and very light (although admittedly terrible ergonomics...one thing I will just put up with until a better model comes along).

Does this sound reasonable? Or am I being foolish? The main disadvantages I see are that I spend a lot of money (a waste if I decide it's not for me), and I have two lenses instead of a great walkaround lens. But I can carry the lenses across to a future camera and they'll still be fantastic lenses.

Between the two lenses, if you get the EF-S 17-55mm which is a great performer, you won't be able to keep it if you decide to go full frame later, but that is a big jump anyhow. If you decide to get this lens, you can always keep it when you decide to upgrade to a EOS 50D later, and supplement it with a EF 70-200mm f/4 IS L lens which is FANTASTIC.

If you decide to go with the EF 24-105mm L lens, it is a great walk-around lens with the right focal length for full frame. For crop-factor cameras, I can't help but feel it's not wide enough. But it's nice if you decide to go full frame later. It also complements the 70-200mm f/4 IS L lens nicely as well.

 

[Neo]

Looking at all the differences between the 450D and 500D, most of the new things I don't want anyway. Movie mode, the extra (nosier) megapixels, HDMI out, creative auto mode, etc...not overly worried about that. The clearer, brighter screen would be nice to have but I can live without it. What is concerning me is that the 500D now has Peripheral Illumination Correction to fix vignetting, whereas the 450D doesn't. Is this an issue? Can it be fixed in Photoshop, or is it really good to have?

Bingo. You hit the nail on the head when you objectively stated what you are looking for in a camera. If the additional features don't appeal to you, then you have some savings by buying the EOS 450D. I'm not sure about the EOS 500D having higher noise level though... the DPreview site hasn't done any reviews yet. Let me see if I can try out the night mode or high ISO mode.

P.S: By the way, if your interest in night photography refers to the night shots on a tripod, then you should know that such shots are usually taken at low ISOs, which mean the EOS 500D can potentially deliver even better results.

 

[wildsoyabean]

wha 11pages u still haven buy yet!!!
u buget ard 2k right.

if me ->
d90 (1200) + (18-105 VR -360) + tripod( 120-150) + sb600 (350) +bag($40) = 2100 ->note all 2nd hand price

if really me-> given experience of shooting for 1 year with 2 k budget
i would get
d40(400) +sb800(400) + tripid(150) +bag(40) + 50mm f.18(150) + 18-200VR(800)/18-270tammy(850) = $1940/1990
when im richer, i would sell my d40 at 350 and top up to upgrade.

TS: 2nd hand stuff arent bad...if u got patience reading 11 pages, u have the patience to wait and buy the right item.
i bought my tokina 12-24 2 weeks old @ 525...nikon f1.4 @ 330(with b+W filter) tamron @ 850(2weeks old) believe me...if i would to sell all my equipments now, i wouldnt lose a single cent, maybe earn somemore.

btw about canon 500d having more noise cos of squeezing into tiny sensor, if we shoot at medium size(say 8-10 mega pix) instead of 15 mega mix would the noise be comparable to nikon d90?..

seriously...why shoot at 15 mega pix unless u are a pro that print poster and hang them in orchard (then u would be using 5dm2 /d3) instead of being here. 10 mega pix can print poster already lor

 

[MelbourneGuy]

If you do that, all the days between buying the body and the lens, you'll be staring at the body on your table (or wherever), knowing you can't take a single photo with it. Heart-ache...

I know, I know...but what if I go the course and then realise I chose the wrong (expensive) lens...

 

[MelbourneGuy]

third party have VR and USM too...
e.g tamron is the first third party that comes out with 3 axis vibration reduction.
sigma has IS too or they call it OS.

and some even claim sigma HSM 50mm f1.4 beats rules over nikon and canon (i haven tried i dunno)

Yep I did see those, but not in the focal ranges or apertures I was looking for unfortunately.

 

[jlkk76]

11 pages...still goin strong...

wonder when u gonna get ur cam...:think:

 

[Shen siung]

I know, I know...but what if I go the course and then realise I chose the wrong (expensive) lens...

The idea I introduce the course to you is not for you to worry 'will I buy the wrong lens'. There are so many things we do not know, and it is beyond our control.

Meanwhile, I don't think you will get the benefit if you joining the course without a DSLR.

Lens combination are so complex. Too many options.
since you like to consider, you can also consider to take EFS 10-22 (not a constant aperture lens) and EF24-105 L.

24-105 give you walk around, and when you take landscape, change to 10-22.

Note that 10-22 is the 2nd most expensive EFS lens (correct me if I'm wrong). Why? because of its good quality.

You may realized your consider will never ends, if you keep considering.

Just my 2 cents

 

[GoheadGostern]

hi

wow TS> 11 pages full of worrying and indecisive decision. let me put it another way. you wasted 11 pages worth of time in gg out to take photos. Just go and get your camera. if you worry you get to e wrong lens. then live with the kit lens for a month or so. and decide which way to go. it is better to have a camera and start taking photos then keep on pondering day and night which camera and lens to buy.

cheers
Shaz

 

[Ouverture]

Looking at all the differences between the 450D and 500D, most of the new things I don't want anyway. Movie mode, the extra (nosier) megapixels, HDMI out, creative auto mode, etc...not overly worried about that. The clearer, brighter screen would be nice to have but I can live without it. What is concerning me is that the 500D now has Peripheral Illumination Correction to fix vignetting, whereas the 450D doesn't. Is this an issue? Can it be fixed in Photoshop, or is it really good to have?

I did some comparison at Courts Tampines today where they have 500d and 450d next to each other.

Configuring them at same settings, 500d do tends to underexpose a bit more while 450d gives a better exposure for the same objects.

In terms of noise, at ISO1600 (max i can test with 450d anyway), 500d do have a bit more colour noise than 450d, esp at the shadow and darker areas and it's seems not as sharp as well.

Not trying to pour cold water over 500d (as I am also considering to jump ship), but giving my comments as a normal consumer trying out products.

I am not a pro, probably the pro website reviews may provide more details when it's available...

My 3 cents...

 

[MelbourneGuy]

hi

wow TS> 11 pages full of worrying and indecisive decision. let me put it another way. you wasted 11 pages worth of time in gg out to take photos. Just go and get your camera. if you worry you get to e wrong lens. then live with the kit lens for a month or so. and decide which way to go. it is better to have a camera and start taking photos then keep on pondering day and night which camera and lens to buy.

cheers
Shaz

It's ok, I'm 90% certain I'm not making a 100% mistake

The lens is definite. The camera is 95% definite.

I was reading what CNET had to say (don't worry, I don't place too much importance on a CNET review) at http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-cameras/canon-eos-rebel-t1i/4505-6501_7-33567129.html?tag=mncol;lst. The bit that was interesting was:

"Canon seems to have tweaked its default exposure settings to be a bit brighter, more in keeping with consumer tastes, and the result is more clipped highlights than I expected but probably more crowd-pleasing midtones and shadows. The T1i also renders punchier color; bright and saturated, thankfully just shy of too much."

There's also something at this site (http://translate.google.com/transla...333042223.shtml&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8) that seems to be saying the same thing about exposure and contrast, but it's hard to tell because it's translated from Chinese.

So my question is (please forgive the ignorance here), are exposure settings applied to RAW images as well as JPEGs, or just JPEGs? I don't know what is and isn't included in RAW output.

 

[MelbourneGuy]

I did some comparison at Courts Tampines today where they have 500d and 450d next to each other.

Configuring them at same settings, 500d do tends to underexpose a bit more while 450d gives a better exposure for the same objects.

In terms of noise, at ISO1600 (max i can test with 450d anyway), 500d do have a bit more colour noise than 450d, esp at the shadow and darker areas and it's seems not as sharp as well.

Not trying to pour cold water over 500d (as I am also considering to jump ship), but giving my comments as a normal consumer trying out products.

I am not a pro, probably the pro website reviews may provide more details when it's available...

My 3 cents...

Oh, you just said exactly the opposite of what the review I posted says with regards to exposure...hmm...

I find exactly the same as you regarding noise and sharpness. In the sample images I've seen posted online, I find the noise and sharpness much better on the 450D, especially in the darker areas.