Bokeh - Using Nikon Lenses


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AiS lens = manual focus on any possible Nikon body.

AiS lens without focusing screen => inaccurate focusing => bokeh also affected because the degree of OOF-ness is dependent on the relative distances between the focus plane and the elements in the image.

Are you saying without the manual-type focusing screen like split image?

The thing in the camera that allows you to see if you are focusing correctly is the focusing screen, although the standard now is the "ground glass" focusing screen without the split image. When you move the lens through the range to see the image getting sharper and then decide it is in focus - you're using the focusing screen.

In the old days the split image is call the K screen, and the ground glass is B screen.

So far I have not seen any SLR or DSLR without focusing screen.
 

I think it's more personal than quantitative. The pictures PreciousP had commented to have bad bokeh all share one thing in common. They have rather distracting backgrounds. Most people consider bokeh to be good when the colours in the background blend into a sort of cream if I'm not wrong. Specular highlights should also not be fringed nor have strong outlines. "Donut" bokeh where there are rings instead of circles are considered to be bad bokeh, along with very hexagonal (aperture blades are not rounded) rendition of OOF highlights.

Anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong. Trying to figure out too.

I disagree with the personal part but agree with the other observation. Nice transition, creamy oof, smooth changes all are nice bokeh. See the 105mm f/2.5 shot. I think that's good bokeh, the highlights while much brighter than the flowers do not intrude.

Many had written that the 50mm f/1.2 has bad bokeh. I have no experience with this lens. So can't comment.
 

ok. how abt shallow depth of field, blur background and bokeh? are they different or similar? sorry just taking the chance to clarify any misunderstanding of terms here.
 

ok. how abt shallow depth of field, blur background and bokeh? are they different or similar? sorry just taking the chance to clarify any misunderstanding of terms here.

shallow depth of field is referring to your subject focus only on one part and the rest is not in sharp focus.
(sometimes you want it that way, sometimes you don't)

bokeh is referring to the background blur...
 

HI,

Orite. get it. so shallow DOF is controllable while bokeh is more of the characteristic of the lens. Right?

Cheers,
Shaz
 

U can also control the background blur by adjusting aperture. Basically, you get more blur with a larger aperture, which means a smaller number.
 

hi,

AH. ok. thanks for the clarification. Appreciate it loads mates

Cheers,
Shaz
 

another clean bokeh example from nikon lens:

 

oooh baad baaad bokeh...
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bad bokeh too
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More Bokeh.. =)
Someone tell me if its creamy..
 

HI,

Orite. get it. so shallow DOF is controllable while bokeh is more of the characteristic of the lens. Right?

Cheers,
Shaz

hi all, this is psychobiologist here answering on behalf of proteonxpr, dont wanna log in my main account later admin think i m a clone. overseas now and she is using my com.

when people talk about bokeh, it could be distinctively different from a shallow DOF. a shallow DOF means its thin, you have a few centimetres of DOF, but a higher dof like a metre odd does not mean its impossible to have good defocussed background (using a telephoto lens).

how good bokeh is, is not only a lens characteristic, but how you use it in your picture and how you would place the background.

A telephoto lens will always have the typical creamy bokeh, that is because in the background, the angle of view of contribution to the background bokeh with respect to subject size, is narrow, maybe a couple of degrees. wider angle bokeh is more fun, that the angle of view contribution to the out of focus regions is march larger (50-70 degrees), but this is also a matter of how you then would compose with each lens, there are many people whom can produce great bokeh and pictures with the cheap 50mm f1.8D

how good the defocus and blur of the background bokeh behind the subject, is also dependent on how far away background objects are, i.e. a subject near to infinity focus distance will have lesser background blur and bad bokeh, but a subject that is nearer to camera, and infinity focal distance is far into the background.. you get better defocus & bokeh

aperture blades and lens coatings will show up as flaws, as long as the out of focus regions in the background has intense light sources or reflections, you get the shapely spots, but if background is low light and doesnt have these intense light sources, you will have less of that. its not so much of the shape of bokeh only, some have the roundest aperture blades but an outline of the circular spots will often make the bokeh coarse and edgy.

out of focal region contrast also plays a strong role in how good a picture's background and bokeh is as well, like when i use a confocal microscope (nikon/zeiss) the pinhole serves to reduce the brightness of the out of focus regions (we hate bokeh!!), giving you a clean well contrasted image. without the pinhole, the out of focus lights is high in intensity and contrast, your subject will not stand out from the brighter background

complicated complicated. :bsmilie: but in the nikon optical line up, i suppose sharpness and resolution is something they are after, the bokeh's only better on lenses that are considered to be professional ones and on the longer focal lengths usually
 

So far I have not seen any SLR or DSLR without focusing screen.

Sorry for not being clear. Yes, I meant the split screen like in FM2 etc.

I have a split screen installed on my D200 now, rather than just a matte focusing screen.
 

Hmm... I dun think bokeh is referring to background blur but rather the Quality of the out of focus areas...

shallow depth of field is referring to your subject focus only on one part and the rest is not in sharp focus.
(sometimes you want it that way, sometimes you don't)

bokeh is referring to the background blur...
 

Bokeh from the 70-200mm at 200mm: :)

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niceeee!

this is about 1 reason why i always wished for a 70-200... 200mm @ f/2.8... mmmmmm.. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 

niceeee!

this is about 1 reason why i always wished for a 70-200... 200mm @ f/2.8... mmmmmm.. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Wait till you see 200mm f2.. That's what I call power pack!! :)
 

another clean bokeh.... from a nikkor lens...
(note: this is not taken from micro lens....)

 

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