"Bad Ergonomics"


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if you are talking abt front dial, I am always accidentally turn the dial many times. Its only after I reviewed the pics I realized my aperture setting changed. (I'm using aperture priority). I have no such problem with my KM7D though. Not really a big issue anway..

e same thing happening to me... just shot at the recent suntec cosplay...plan to use F5.6 all the way(kit lens mah)....after finished shooting, suddenly realise my aperture drift all e way to F14 in my photos ....:bsmilie:
 

e same thing happening to me... just shot at the recent suntec cosplay...plan to use F5.6 all the way(kit lens mah)....after finished shooting, suddenly realise my aperture drift all e way to F14 in my photos ....:bsmilie:

never had this problem.. LOL maybe my fingers are too short or my hands are too small >.<
 

hmm.. i have to agree that the a55 ergonomics doesn't really suit me that well, same goes for the 230/290/330/350 etcetc... i just feel uncomfortable when my pinky has no where to go and my hands are on the larger side. but if you're looking for a smaller sized dslr, i think it'd be perfect, especially with the awesome features!

being a 500 user myself, i've to use it with the batt grip to get a nice feel/weight balance that i'm happy with. taking off the grip feels slightly odd to me, but i think it's because i've gotten too used to it already.

hoping to get my hands on a 850 soon, which i feel is just WOW. =)
 

hoping to get my hands on a 850 soon, which i feel is just WOW. =)

A700/A850/A900 ergonomics are awesome. I'm hoping the A77 is a "proper sized" body. At the very least, I'm sure it'll have a VG.
 

i am a canon user and i will have all sorts of positive things to say about canon and negative on other brands ;p

Lol ! :bsmilie: ...in other words, you're admitting you're just a Canon fanboy !

Like many others, I admit that it's a bit too small though - See the hanging Pinky syndrome. I don't get the feeling when I tested out the other entry level DSLRs.

There are many kinds of drinkers ! :bsmilie: ...the beer drinkers like to grab their mugs with their whole hand, the wine drinkers likes to hold the stems of their wineglass (think a230, A330) ...and the A33/A55 users are like sake drinkers, the pinky is for supporting/steadying the bottom of the cup.

Moral of the story: ...just because you love Beer/Wine/Sake doesn't means the other Beer/Wine/Sake drinker's Mug/Glass/Cup are wrong or faulty ! ...or with respect to this thread, ....BAD ! :dunno:
 

There are many kinds of drinkers ! :bsmilie: ...the beer drinkers like to grab their mugs with their whole hand, the wine drinkers likes to hold the stems of their wineglass (think a230, A330) ...and the A33/A55 users are like sake drinkers, the pinky is for supporting/steadying the bottom of the cup.


I love this analogy!! Well said!
 

I disagree...:nono:

I couldn't agree more to your last sentence. The xxD and xD series have too large grip, while the xxxD and 1000D has too small grip. At least the Nikons have a good grip in their mid range. I havent tried Pentax or Sony extensively though so no comments ...
 

Lol ! :bsmilie: ...in other words, you're admitting you're just a Canon fanboy !

i already admit what? :bsmilie:

read my post again haha.

anyway i used my friends cybershot back during the days i am using a panasonic lumix, sony just dun convince me that they make good cameras, decent maybe but i think they are still far behind.

TV wise, no doubt they are the best.

the theory always applies, when u dabble in TV, sound systems, mobile phones, cameras etc, how can u claim its the best in every type?

canon makes only cameras and only cameras. no TVs, sound systems or mobile phones.

so i consider canon is the master of one 'trade' while sony is a jack of all 'trades'.
 

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I disagree...:nono:

Ya it makes better sense to make a statement like that without backing anything up. Well done :bsmilie:
i already admit what? :bsmilie:

read my post again haha.

anyway i used my friends cybershot back during the days i am using a panasonic lumix, sony just dun convince me that they make good cameras, decent maybe but i think they are still far behind.

TV wise, no doubt they are the best.

the theory always applies, when u dabble in TV, sound systems, mobile phones, cameras etc, how can u claim its the best in every type?

canon makes only cameras and only cameras. no TVs, sound systems or mobile phones.

so i consider canon is the master of one 'trade' while sony is a jack of all 'trades'.

canon manufactures printers :)
 

I disagree wth u. Truth can be said about the non Sony, Nikon, Pentax etc users as getting used to their ergonomics are by means not easy. :nono:

Canon is well-known for not having good ergonomics... their system of dial plus button presses have always been criticised... It's only belatedly on the 7D that they have adopted the systems that KM first implemented and inherited by Sony and then also adopted by Nikon. It's called dual thumb dials with dedicated buttons for most exposure elements... I've tried using a Canon 1Ds, 1D, 1DmkII, 1DmkIII, 5D, 5DmkII and they all are pretty bad in terms of usability... once you have used either a Sony or Nikon or Pentax system, you will have difficulty trying to use a Canon cos it takes a lot of fiddling to find out how to change any settings... it's that bad... you've got to try it... I noticed that most people new to Sony or KM can pick up the camera and use it after about 10min... I have passed my cameras (7D & A-900) to my students who are complete newbies and they can figure out how to use it.... whereas I have been shooting with DSLRs for some time now and I just can't figure out the Canons... I had to ask the owner for help for almost everything... including simple things like changing ISO, change focus mode, focus point, switch from AF to MF, review and deleting, rotating photos, etc... pretty horrendous experience for me... plus there's a lot of menu diving...
 

i already admit what? :bsmilie:

read my post again haha.

anyway i used my friends cybershot back during the days i am using a panasonic lumix, sony just dun convince me that they make good cameras, decent maybe but i think they are still far behind.

TV wise, no doubt they are the best.

the theory always applies, when u dabble in TV, sound systems, mobile phones, cameras etc, how can u claim its the best in every type?

canon makes only cameras and only cameras. no TVs, sound systems or mobile phones.

so i consider canon is the master of one 'trade' while sony is a jack of all 'trades'.

Erm.. AFAIK, canon makes:

canon-calulator-from-copier.jpg


mostpopular.jpg


Canon%20ip%201980.jpg


Canon-Office-Products-CANON-LV-7555-Multimedia-Projector-0.jpg



and many others. so canon is master of 1 trade? i will say Pentax is a more specialize camera manufacturer.
 

Too large grip u say for XD and XXD? Feels just fine and firm. So no need to back up with evidence cos the evidence is in using it and I have both. :nono:

I couldn't agree more to your last sentence. The xxD and xD series have too large grip, while the xxxD and 1000D has too small grip. At least the Nikons have a good grip in their mid range. I havent tried Pentax or Sony extensively though so no comments ...
 

Erm.. AFAIK, canon makes:

canon-calulator-from-copier.jpg


mostpopular.jpg


Canon%20ip%201980.jpg


Canon-Office-Products-CANON-LV-7555-Multimedia-Projector-0.jpg



and many others. so canon is master of 1 trade? i will say Pentax is a more specialize camera manufacturer.

ok my mistake.

;p
 

i already admit what? :bsmilie:

read my post again haha.

anyway i used my friends cybershot back during the days i am using a panasonic lumix, sony just dun convince me that they make good cameras, decent maybe but i think they are still far behind.

TV wise, no doubt they are the best.

the theory always applies, when u dabble in TV, sound systems, mobile phones, cameras etc, how can u claim its the best in every type?

canon makes only cameras and only cameras. no TVs, sound systems or mobile phones.

so i consider canon is the master of one 'trade' while sony is a jack of all 'trades'.

it tough to reason with a fanboy cos your reasons for supporting canon is mostly emotional and not based on logic.. but we'll try.

i've personally owned an old sony compact and yes it sucked. sold it for other brands. even the old sony dslrs were plagued with noise and lesser than other brands. it nvr caught my eye till the dslt, which even dpreview raved abt.

you are living in the past to compare a past compact you used with the ones by sony TODAY! they have come far since taking over KM.

btw, sony's camera and other products have their individual r n d as well as separate management, as that of canon and other brands. thus the jack of all trades logic is flawed. furthermore, they provide sensors to major camera brands if u dun already know.
 

it tough to reason with a fanboy cos your reasons for supporting canon is mostly emotional and not based on logic.. but we'll try.

i've personally owned an old sony compact and yes it sucked. sold it for other brands. even the old sony dslrs were plagued with noise and lesser than other brands. it nvr caught my eye till the dslt, which even dpreview raved abt.

you are living in the past to compare a past compact you used with the ones by sony TODAY! they have come far since taking over KM.

btw, sony's camera and other products have their individual r n d as well as separate management, as that of canon and other brands. thus the jack of all trades logic is flawed. furthermore, they provide sensors to major camera brands if u dun already know.

please go read this post again, especially the first line by slipdisq:
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6692160&postcount=25

and dun read blindly the post by Ghostfit (cos in my post its very clear i am a Canon fanboy).

this is basic human behavior, once you are very used to a product regardless of brand, u will normally stick to it. 8 years ago, i got my first digital cam which is a canon then later i got myself a panasonic lumix then in the end i went back to canon and got myself a DSLR.

so ask me to use sony or nikon, it will be a new learning curve which normally human will resists.

if i had started off with a sony, i wun be debating with u on this now.

by the way i dun buy cams just cos of ergonomics... yes its important cos it will makes me feel more comfortable to use the product but i also take in consideration the range of lens it can offer, the pricing of the lens, and usability with third party lens.
 

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Sony alpha DSLR was Konica Minolta. Tamron is in part owned by Sony. Carl Zeiss in partnership with Sony and the only AF Carl Zeiss version in the market.

IMHO, partnership like this is better than not.

They learn from KM and implement some of these innovations and integrate into their PnS and video cameras and vice-versa.

Sony buy,borrow, collaborate and innovate new design towards the alpha system. Canon offerings becoming not too new already. Few years back it was CCD vs Canon's CMOS sensors. When Sony made it's own CMOS sensors, almost everyone else got one too from Sony.

It's more than the Bravia TVs for Sony. Though I hate their laptops, too overprice for the specs.
 

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pentax also produces quite a number of things la....

Cameras and photographic equipment; binoculars, spotting scopes and telescopes; medical fiberscopes and endoscopes; medical fine ceramics products; information and communications products; components; industrial products; eyeglass lenses

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentax
 

canon makes only cameras and only cameras. no TVs, sound systems or mobile phones.

so i consider canon is the master of one 'trade' while sony is a jack of all 'trades'.

Huh? Canon started making money with their photocopiers before their camera line was established.

I suggest you educate yourself first by looking here:

www.canon.com

Take a look at the "products" line. You will see they are far from a "master of one trade".
 

Huh? Canon started making money with their photocopiers before their camera line was established.

I suggest you educate yourself first by looking here:

www.canon.com

Take a look at the "products" line. You will see they are far from a "master of one trade".

yes i know, i already say my mistake.
 

yes i know, i already say my mistake.

Many ppl here started with the Sony Alpha system from day one. We still remember it's "history" first hand.

As a corporation Sony biggest rival is Samsung.

Business threat by Canon is towards the camera/videocamera business in the consumer market ONLY.

And Sony DSLR camera division is not Sony's cash cow somemore. That statement in itself shows how big Sony as a business entity.

For me, I'm enjoying the innovations Sony made in satisfying this hobby and not be bother by the other brands anymore.
 

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