Accident @ Choa Chu Kang Drive

[ManWearPants]

1. I was going at 140 kmph on an entirely empty stretch of road - (early morning)
2. the Merc was highbeaming me to get out of the right lane
3. he was highbeaming me like 2 km away...(if I was him, I would normally just overtake from the left..but that's me)

How can the road be empty when there is a merc high beaming you? :bsmilie: IMO, I get a lot of high beam all the time as I don't do more than 120kmh. Only on rare occasions, I went up to 160kmh on short burst. In all those cases of high beams from behind, I do appreciate they beam early from far. There are occasions when my mind wanders and got a shock they are right behind me. It may be more dangerous as my immediate reaction is to swerve left but the traffic conditions on the left lane may not be able to accomodate me at my speed, or I may not have checked my blind spot in the instinctive reaction. I am afraid many bros here cannot concur with you on this example you quoted.

Anyway, think we have OT too much. The main thing is not to speed. Seems like we are encouraging speeding.

 

[ManWearPants]

Have you ppl seen Spore plate Nissan GT-Rs (more than 1) doing 280km/h to 300km/h on straight stretches of NSH in the wee hours like around 4am going to Sepang?? :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

crazy...these are road hazards and should be removed as well. I have seen buses carrying bus full of workers doing 150-160kmh. Donno which is worse?

 

[NineEleven]

Have you ppl seen Spore plate Nissan GT-Rs (more than 1) doing 280km/h to 300km/h on straight stretches of NSH in the wee hours like around 4am going to Sepang?? :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I usually do 250-290 constant on the NS bi-weekly for the past two years & seriously it's nothing to boast about as many drivers do it. @ this kind of speed a tyre burst will flip your car & I've had it though the car didn't roll.

Also, other traffic simply cannot or don't know how to react to your approaching speed. My mainbeam is always on day & night when i travel fast & yes, it's usually the Malaysian cars that give way automatically.

If u do tracking, drifting sideways @ 180+ on public road is not funny as well.

Anyway, think we have OT too much. The main thing is not to speed. Seems like we are encouraging speeding.

Yes, I had several near misses with the last one coming off me by mere inches. A bus swerved into my lane without signalling, I highbeamed & horned all the way, braked so hard that the ABS kicked in & left a cloud of tyre smoke behind while swerving to my right, going into the grass with the wing mirror close enough to clip the armco. It was too late, I saw my front left hitting the rear of the bus, just when I braced myself for impact & closed my eyes, the bus pulled away slowly to let me through, he was overtaking a slow white Kancil :angry:.....I think God kept me alive that morning.

These days I take it easier, it's just not worth it.

Speed within your limits & always be prepared that someone might be careless even if you're right, wherever you are.

 

[huggable]

That's where I take my hats off to M'sian drivers. Without the luxury of 5- or 6-lane mega-highway, the righmost lane is strictly used for overtaking. That lane, by the way, is also called the "overtaking lane".

In SG, I often see hoggers using the right lane and claiming they "stick to the speed limit" and causing a long train of cars to be stucked behind. Ended up the most un-congested lane is the leftmost lane.

Apart from using high beam on NSH, drivers would switch on their right-turn signals to indicate they wish to overtake.

 

[ManWearPants]

I usually do 250-290 constant on the NS bi-weekly for the past two years & seriously it's nothing to boast about as many drivers do it.

Dunno how you can drive at this kind of speed. I drive up till 160kmh, my balls start to shrink already.

 

[colourfulfaces]

Have you ppl seen Spore plate Nissan GT-Rs (more than 1) doing 280km/h to 300km/h on straight stretches of NSH in the wee hours like around 4am going to Sepang?? :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

nv see a GTR but encounter a ferrari. I was travelling at about 180 to 200km/hr on a 5 series and suddenly come from no where, a ferrari was right behind me and yes Singapore plate. I speed up a little and manage to filter left before he speed past me without any effort.. I think it is about 250km/hr when he was right behind me.

trust me, it is not a nice experience especially travelling at 200km/hr and need to think about what you want to do next? Speed up or give way.

 

[originalsin]

That's where I take my hats off to M'sian drivers. Without the luxury of 5- or 6-lane mega-highway, the righmost lane is strictly used for overtaking. That lane, by the way, is also called the "overtaking lane".

Some unrestricted sections of autobahn in Germany are two-lane roads too. I usually rent a 330D estate when I go there for work. Driving at > 200 kmh on those road is common, day or night.

 

[whizzard]

Giving way is a gracious act and a sign of strength, not weakness. I have not lived in many cities but I do find drivers in Singapore (not necessarily Singaporeans) are loath to give way. In this respect, drivers in Malaysia tend to be more gracious.

 

[shaoken]

Must be driving at F1 speed that causes it to turn turtle :bigeyes:

Must personally feel the "hype" of F1 before it comes to SG?? ;p

 

[gnayed]

before you start shooting me...pls note a few salient points :-
1. I was going at 140 kmph on an entirely empty stretch of road - (early morning)
2. the Merc was highbeaming me to get out of the right lane
3. he was highbeaming me like 2 km away...(if I was him, I would normally just overtake from the left..but that's me)

btw, I work in Malaysia and drive to and from Singapore practically every 2, 3 days, but that is beside the point. Thanks for your concerns about me middle fingering and not getting back home - that was the only time I did that, but of course the driver was too fast to see it.:bsmilie:

Anyway, no point getting into a argument with bros over driving in a photograhy forum...take more pictures would be better therapy....cheers..

I'm grateful for your gracious reply, but still I'm not able to agree with what you said. Obviously, even citing that you work in M'sia still doesn't mean you understand the culture or travel on their federal highways frequent enough. Else you would have realised, it's freakingly normal to highbeam someone even when your road ahead is clear. We can compete on text again to see who travels more on whatever NS/EW/Karak/ECE/KLPE/SMART highway n I still have to say, give way is the norm.

And I iterate again, it is even dangerous to overtake you from the left when you think the road is damn clear. You can see it's clear, but the driver behind you can't. Let's just show other world that Sg'reans are gracious too, whether towards fellow SG or M'sians. My words end here, chilling out and take more photos.

 

[Ge012ge]

That's where I take my hats off to M'sian drivers. Without the luxury of 5- or 6-lane mega-highway, the righmost lane is strictly used for overtaking. That lane, by the way, is also called the "overtaking lane".

In SG, I often see hoggers using the right lane and claiming they "stick to the speed limit" and causing a long train of cars to be stucked behind. Ended up the most un-congested lane is the leftmost lane.

Apart from using high beam on NSH, drivers would switch on their right-turn signals to indicate they wish to overtake.

totally agree with this, many jams on our local expressways are usually caused by these inconsiderate drivers.

 

[jonathann]

small boy what argument you talking about? just got your licence is it? the way you drive confirm. you are just a road hogger and nothing to argue. the more you explain the more stupid you look. so pls go on and defend your dumb way of driving. without people like you, how can gracious drivers like us stand out. thank you.

now is your turn to explain and make yourself look stupid. else just keep your dumb idea to yourself.

before you start shooting me...pls note a few salient points :-
1. I was going at 140 kmph on an entirely empty stretch of road - (early morning)
2. the Merc was highbeaming me to get out of the right lane
3. he was highbeaming me like 2 km away...(if I was him, I would normally just overtake from the left..but that's me)

btw, I work in Malaysia and drive to and from Singapore practically every 2, 3 days, but that is beside the point. Thanks for your concerns about me middle fingering and not getting back home - that was the only time I did that, but of course the driver was too fast to see it.:bsmilie:

Anyway, no point getting into a argument with bros over driving in a photograhy forum...take more pictures would be better therapy....cheers..

 

[tortise]

I live nearby there... hope no one badly injured or no kids in the car. Most pple dun buckle their children in and something like this will be real bad...

btw you went onto the road to take this photo? not dangerous?

Accident happened around noon time at junction of Choa Chu Kang North 7 and Choa Chu Kang Drive.

Of all the following discussions in this thread i think the one by alcohollywood makes the most sense. It's not about being goody two shoes or anything, but being responsible for others. many other innocent lives at stake. road hogging etc is bad but at least it doesn't endanger lives like speeding so i treat it as a lesser evil.

Thanks to the TS for sharing.

Let's hope we can learn something from this incident. As drivers, it is not just our lives at stake, but innocent passengers and also the innocent pedestrians whose lives are at the drivers' mercy. Just because one doesn't drive doesn't mean one can't be involved in a traffic accident. It could happen to anyone who's waiting to cross a road at a traffic junction.

Everyone has a duty to drive responsibly on public roads. It doesn't matter if you're driving a Corolla or Murcielago. If an accident happens, it's usually not just the driver who pays the price, especially if it's in a crowded area. Then you ask, is it fair?

If you want to drive fast, do it at a race track. Otherwise, don't do it at all.

 

[bam88]

Many wannabe Michael Shcumachers here..

 

[Yeeming9]

I live nearby there... hope no one badly injured or no kids in the car. Most pple dun buckle their children in and something like this will be real bad...

btw you went onto the road to take this photo? not dangerous?



Of all the following discussions in this thread i think the one by alcohollywood makes the most sense. It's not about being goody two shoes or anything, but being responsible for others. many other innocent lives at stake. road hogging etc is bad but at least it doesn't endanger lives like speeding so i treat it as a lesser evil.

There weren’t many cars at that time.

 

[Jango]

I live nearby there... hope no one badly injured or no kids in the car. Most pple dun buckle their children in and something like this will be real bad...

You made a very good point. Looking at the photo again, there seems to be a pink bolster at the back and that most likely belong to a child. Child seats and seat belts are life savers which I often see parents giving in to the children's demand to not be buckled up. I've also seen many cars hanging "Baby on Board" or "Children on Board" cards but driving recklessly. Don't wait till a life is lost, then regret. It'll be all too late.

 

[kei1309]

Giving way is a gracious act and a sign of strength, not weakness. I have not lived in many cities but I do find drivers in Singapore (not necessarily Singaporeans) are loath to give way. In this respect, drivers in Malaysia tend to be more gracious.

this is very true.. i ride a motorcycle... and sometimes, i have no idea why some drivers intentionally speed up when they see someone trying to filter into their lane.

and during slow traffic, is there a need to keep swerving from lane to lane? it doesn't improve the situation, and it makes the situation at the back even worse.

worse still, when i'm keeping a safe distance behind a car on the road, sometimes, come drivers to tailgate me only 1 metre away from my tail light. i find that needless, especially since i'm on a motorcycle. if i had to brake suddenly, i would be in deep kaka.. and of course that driver will be booked by the police..

just only yesterday, some huge trailer driver tailgated me, and just only on the way to work today some maniac mercedes driver tailgated me. almost hit me. then over took me then jammed the brakes slightly infront of me. grr. hate these drivers.

sorry to TS for OT... but when i see these kind of pictures i wonder why some drivers are so reckless..

 

[tyho]

This accident was in the papers yesterday. It said the taxi ran the light as the Terios was going through the junction. High CoG SUVs are always more likely to flip than a sedan... newspaper said the lady driver was brought to hospital.

By the way I vote :thumbsd: to road hoggers at any speed. It's safer that you let the faster car pass (signal 1st!) and not make him pass you on the left. He won't be sure if you will move out of the way- seeing that so many drivers don't bother to signal their lane changes also.

 

[cyc1op]

So scary reading this thread. I agree hogging is no good, but people start talking about speeding at 160, 200km/h. Do you know what is the consequence of a mistake at that speed? What happen to you is your problem, but what about the other party? Can you live with your conscience if you have cause death to someone else?

 

[wrx_sti_22b]

Wait... the high speed that i am talking abt is straight on the NSH. What tyre burst? The Nissan GT-R is able to cope with it's nitrogen filled run flat ability Bridgestone RE070 tat cost abt $700 each. It's wheels are also big at 20" & front 265 section, rear 285 section. It is heavy (1740kg) and stable at high speed... a $1.3M Ferrari 599GTB can also do abt tat kind of speed on straight stretch of the NSH. The Nissan has clever torque channeling super Attesa ETS Pro 4wd and 6 pot Brembo brakes to swipe off speed, it cannot be compared to a normal car trying to run to it's top speed. The Ferrari i find is more risky as it is rear wheel drive & requires more experty in driving it. The Nissan GT-R can do 0-100km/h in a scant 3.2sec.