The Moving Chair
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I agree. I don't print bus stop posters. Better iso performance and DR is the way to go.
5D MKiii [rumored] vs D800 / E
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I agree. I don't print bus stop posters. Better iso performance and DR is the way to go.
.......says who?
Nikon's D800 is announced before their D4 ships. D800 = 4 fps at 36 MP (or 6 fps in DX mode) vs D4 = 10 fps at 16 MP. Totally different beasts.
This is what Thom Hogan said:
"The thing I was trying to address in my article was what the camera makers--specifically Nikon and Canon--had concluded about pixels versus target customer. My conclusion: they think that the amateur/enthusiast will respond more to pixels, the professional more to low-level pixel integrity."
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raydio
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I couldn't agree more with Thom Hogan. I'm glad that Canon has resisted putting more mega pixels in the 5D. I would rather have better noise control, higher ISO capabilities and superb dynamic range. Once these have reached near perfection, then more mega pixels are welcome.
rhino123
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Well... I wish 5DIII had 100MP and can shoot at 100fps, with 1000AF points and the ISO noise control that is so good, you won't see any noise or lost in details at 256000 ISO. Well... we know that ain't gonna happen for now or in any near future.
I am not really that into high MP, we saw what Canon did in the past and their noise control isn't really that incredible. I would rather that they keep at 22 to 26MP, great dynamic range, excellent noise control and thats it. On paper, Nikon's D800/ D800E is like a dream come true for many, but that is only on paper, until someone actually did a proper review or had any hands on experience, then we know how good the camera actually operate.
I am not really that into high MP, we saw what Canon did in the past and their noise control isn't really that incredible. I would rather that they keep at 22 to 26MP, great dynamic range, excellent noise control and thats it. On paper, Nikon's D800/ D800E is like a dream come true for many, but that is only on paper, until someone actually did a proper review or had any hands on experience, then we know how good the camera actually operate.
niccon2
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for me, i am looking from feature for the pricing we paid. if nikon can market D800 with AF system similar to D4 at half the cost of D4, i am sure canon can do it.
i previously used D700 & D90 but have just switched to 7D. i find D700 AF system to be better than D90 & 7D(may be i am still new to it). the ability to AF with f8 aperture with D700 & D90 is also a plus to me as i need them sometimes.
i am not comparing whose AF system is better but my thought is certainly canon should be able to provide user AF system similar 1D at or close to competitor cost range but why are we excluded when it is benefiticial to all users with a better AF system?
i previously used D700 & D90 but have just switched to 7D. i find D700 AF system to be better than D90 & 7D(may be i am still new to it). the ability to AF with f8 aperture with D700 & D90 is also a plus to me as i need them sometimes.
i am not comparing whose AF system is better but my thought is certainly canon should be able to provide user AF system similar 1D at or close to competitor cost range but why are we excluded when it is benefiticial to all users with a better AF system?
neech7
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For my landscape shoots, if Canon fails to catch up to the D800E with the 5D3, I am SERIOUSLY considering getting the D800E + the 14-24 f/2.8. Even if it means learning an entire new system. I am just fed up with Canon. They failed to deliver an ultra wide zoom anywhere close to the legendary Nikkor 14-24. Then they did it with the 70-200 II. I cough up the dough for it because it is excellent. Now they want to release the 24-70 II at almost the same price as the 70-200 II but with no IS! Utterly disappointing! If the 5D3 doesn't have over 30mp and an AF at least as good as the 7D's, then Canon, I am out! I won't cross over to the dark side because I want to, but because Canon forces me out. Shame on you, Canon, for letting your fans down. If a much smaller company like Nikon can deliver what they did over the past few years, there is absolutely NO EXCUSE a behemoth like you, with your vast resources, can't.
frederickykfoo
Senior Member
AF points and speed on my 5DMKII is ok for me.
Do not need that many points. :nono:
Faster will be better and spread more over the screen will be nice. :angel:
Do not need that many points. :nono:
Faster will be better and spread more over the screen will be nice. :angel:
neech7
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That is exactly the point! I don't care if a camera has only one AF point, if it is at exactly where I want it to be in the frame, every time. That's why people want lots of AF points, so the chances are much higher there is an AF point where you want. I currently shoot with the 9 AF point 5D, and the all cross type 19 AF point 7D. Huge difference! If you shoot landscape and want to enlarge your print, there is little luxury of imprecise framing and cropping in post.
Actually the number of AF points is more for show/marketing than actually improving your shots.
I'd rather have a single centre AF point that can recognise a face and track it with high accuracy rather than 999 points that will just focus on and track what the camera thinks I want it to focus on.
The 7D's 19 cross sensor AF points is more than enough for most people's needs.
I'd rather have a single centre AF point that can recognise a face and track it with high accuracy rather than 999 points that will just focus on and track what the camera thinks I want it to focus on.
The 7D's 19 cross sensor AF points is more than enough for most people's needs.
neech7
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I am in no hurry, but the 5D3 will be the last chance for Canon, as far as me, and tons of Canon landscape shooters, are concerned. What do people like me want? Tons of megapixels, no AA filter to reduce the effective pixel count, and an ultra wide that is nothing short of jaw droppingly sharp. (don't get me started on the Canon 17-40 or the 16-35, they are both toys compared to the Nikkor 14-24).
The Moving Chair
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I shoot landscapes but i don't need the mp. DR is more important to me.
rhino123
Senior Member
Frankly... if you are tat much hating the system in your hands, maybe you SHOULD jump ship. Seriously, no need to wait for 5DmkIII or IV or whatever, because whatever came out will be below your expectation and if you find that Canon's lenses are toy as compared to your beloved Nikkor 14-24mm... jump ship then.
It is really funny... Canon had not even officially announced their system and we have people with so much frustration blasting the system here and there... with sometime like "If Canon don't do this, don't have that, cannot meet this, cannot meet that, I and a ton of people will leave." My advise is... Leave. Just go to another system which suits you better.
Jonathan Ang
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Event type photography: Ha, i was so stunned the very first time i handled a nikon , and it was a D700, during my friend's actual day wedding. Then I handled my other friend's 5Dmkii - what a fiddly camera! Bear in mind, I'm a canon user. So there's the AF difference. The shots on the nikon were more in focus, cleaner, and creamier. Even the noise control, or so my friend said when he showed me the photos taken with the D700 by the official photog and my other friend's 5Dmkii. I felt sad I was on the canon side.
I don't do event photography much. But if the nikons can do it, why can't canon? I hope the 5DmkIII better do justice!
I don't do event photography much. But if the nikons can do it, why can't canon? I hope the 5DmkIII better do justice!
