16-35mm f/2.8 L

[trlnlty]

The cons outweigh the pros.. Unless you are turning pro..

5D, you need all L lens.. Anything less than a L will turn out lousy pics due to the demanding high MP FF sensor..

i have to disagree with you there buddy.

alot of third party zooms along with canon primes will work fine on a 5D.

however you do have a point with the FF sensor, but there are alot of non-L lenses that will work fine on a 5D

of the top of my head

sigma 120-300 f/2.8
EF 85mm 1.8
EF 50mm 1.4
tamron 28-75 f/2.8
EF 15mm f/2.8

 

[trlnlty]

as to the original thread starter

dont know if you mentioned your camera body.

but the 16-35 is probably the best wide zoom's out there money can buy. It offers the photographer a unique view unlike the mid-range zoom. Which most p&s offer. However im not saying that the 24-70 f/2.8 is not a good lens, it is VERY good.

for travelling perhaps a 70-200 f/4 might be better then the 2.8 due to weight issues.

 

[akdwivedi]

well it depends on what do you want to do during your holidays.. enjoy the place or carry heavy equipment changing lenses every now and then..

the best device for taking excellent memory resident pictures and enjoying the beauty around are the Youw own eyes.. they will not cost you anything :bsmilie: .. My advice is to take a compact on your vacations.. I usually end up using S50 more on my trips than my SLR and beautiful set of lenses...

If I have to take my EOS30, I usually just take my 28-135 IS which covers most of my shooting range.. For low light I keep 50mmf/1.8 (cheap and light) and 20mm f/2.8 only if I truely need that wide.. I find that my 28-135 seldom is on my cam all the time..

if you do not need an IS lens, you could also check Canon EF 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5 USM lens (light, and cheap and has a good reputation), or tamron 24-135. There are good walk around lenses..

All the DSLRs nowadays provide excellent noise control and high ISO.. For low light, bump up the ISO or flash.. Why carry those expensive and heavy f/2.8 lenses..

But that's me.. YMMV..

 

[jeryltan]

You are right.. Too bad Canon don't have 18-200mm IS USM, if not I will go for that and give the 17-85mm IS USM and 70-300mm IS USM a miss for holidays

You forgot to add, holiday doens't have much time to change lens too, unless it's a shooting holiday, so I strongly believe 18-200mm, 17-85mm or the upcoming 17-55 f2.8 will be best for walking around.

 

[jeryltan]

Work fine, yes.. Optimize the glass, :nono:.. :bsmilie:

If someone is not particularly picky about image quality, why go for 5D in the 1st place? 30D more than sufficient for amateur hobbyist.. Unless lao peh wu lui, then nothing to say lor

i have to disagree with you there buddy.

alot of third party zooms along with canon primes will work fine on a 5D.

however you do have a point with the FF sensor, but there are alot of non-L lenses that will work fine on a 5D

of the top of my head

sigma 120-300 f/2.8
EF 85mm 1.8
EF 50mm 1.4
tamron 28-75 f/2.8
EF 15mm f/2.8

 

[lewong]

I would certainly like to avoid heavy lenses and therefore really thinking hard with the 24-105f/4L lens as (1) it is a great according to most review and (2) it is not as heavy as the 24-70 f/2.8 lens.

Guessed its a give and take situation, if I need to, I may have to use higher ISO in low light condition with the f/4 Lens.

By the way, what do you recommend for a wide angle lens to bring along with the 24-105L? Maybe a Canon or a 3rd party lens? Should it be at least a f2.8 ?

 

[jeryltan]

:thumbsup: advice.. In fact, I forgot to mention.. On top of all the things I mentioned, I also bring along a LX1.. For those times I don't feel like or have no more juice left in me to whip out a ton of bricks And I never do, or ever intend to bring my f/2.8 lens with me.. Unless someone pay me to do so :lovegrin:

well it depends on what do you want to do during your holidays.. enjoy the place or carry heavy equipment changing lenses every now and then..

the best device for taking excellent memory resident pictures and enjoying the beauty around are the Youw own eyes.. they will not cost you anything :bsmilie: .. My advice is to take a compact on your vacations.. I usually end up using S50 more on my trips than my SLR and beautiful set of lenses...

If I have to take my EOS30, I usually just take my 28-135 IS which covers most of my shooting range.. For low light I keep 50mmf/1.8 (cheap and light) and 20mm f/2.8 only if I truely need that wide.. I find that my 28-135 seldom is on my cam all the time..

if you do not need an IS lens, you could also check Canon EF 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5 USM lens (light, and cheap and has a good reputation), or tamron 24-135. There are good walk around lenses..

All the DSLRs nowadays provide excellent noise control and high ISO.. For low light, bump up the ISO or flash.. Why carry those expensive and heavy f/2.8 lenses..

But that's me.. YMMV..

 

[jeryltan]

Match the 24-105L f/4 w/a EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5, good and light combo.. > 105mm you will seldom use, even I bring my 70-300mm IS USM, the most only take ~10 pics or so with this lens.. Actually can just take at 105mm and crop, although more skill will be involved, which I have a lack of :bsmilie: ..

I would certainly like to avoid heavy lenses and therefore really thinking hard with the 24-105f/4L lens as (1) it is a great according to most review and (2) it is not as heavy as the 24-70 f/2.8 lens.

Guessed its a give and take situation, if I need to, I may have to use higher ISO in low light condition with the f/4 Lens.

By the way, what do you recommend for a wide angle lens to bring along with the 24-105L? Maybe a Canon or a 3rd party lens? Should it be at least a f2.8 ?

 

[lewong]

Hi, so its not necessary to a wide angle lens with f/2.8 or lower?

 

[jeryltan]

There isnt' any WA with f/2.8.. Best is Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5, or another alternative is the Tokina 12-24mm f/4.. But the price only ~$200 difference, rather get the EF-S 10-22mm, this is one hot lens, never stays in B&S for more than 2~3 days :bsmilie:

Hi, so its not necessary to a wide angle lens with f/2.8 or lower?

 

[trlnlty]

Work fine, yes.. Optimize the glass, :nono:.. :bsmilie:

If someone is not particularly picky about image quality, why go for 5D in the 1st place? 30D more than sufficient for amateur hobbyist.. Unless lao peh wu lui, then nothing to say lor

wait so photog using a 30D/20D/10D/xt/300D are not picky about image quality?

by your reasoning, the 5D should belong to that group, the professional should use the 1Ds II

 

[jeryltan]

I didn't say that.. Read my post again, slowly and carefully this time..

5D don't belong to amateur hobbyist category.. If you think so, then probably Canon Marketing isn't doign a very good job or you have been misinformed by your rich friends.. It belongs to the semipro and lau peh wu lui category..

wait so photog using a 30D/20D/10D/xt/300D are not picky about image quality?

by your reasoning, the 5D should belong to that group, the professional should use the 1Ds II

 

[thw]

And I never do, or ever intend to bring my f/2.8 lens with me.

Isn't that why EF-S lenses have the advantage over EF lenses? The EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS lens is relatively light (600g) when compared to the EF 24-70 f/2.8 lens. The same is probably true for the upcoming Tokina 50-135 f/2.8 lens vs the Canon 70-200 f/2.8 lens.

Anyway, I used the 17-85 IS and 70-300 IS lenses during my one month vacation and found that the only time I used my tele lens was in a bird park. :bsmilie: So, I think if you're concerned about weight, take the XT + 17-85 IS lens and you're all set. Heavier than a p&s, but IS and usable high ISO definitely makes it far more worthwhile.

 

[shinken]

Work fine, yes.. Optimize the glass, :nono:.. :bsmilie:

If someone is not particularly picky about image quality, why go for 5D in the 1st place? 30D more than sufficient for amateur hobbyist.. Unless lao peh wu lui, then nothing to say lor

Are you speaking from experience? Or from peddled forum comments and reviews such as dpreview?

50 1.4 and 85 1.8 works just fine. My mentor makes a living with his 5D and Tamron 28-75 too, And I'm very sure there are more which I've yet to try.

But let's not deviate from the thread too much. Just hoping that such comments don't perpetuate as truths when they're hearsay.

 

[light]

on my experience.. on a trip i'm hardly do portrait with family.. i can do portrait at home also wat.. but wide lense is more like it.. since you'll be seeing more landscape.. especially europe got old buildings n mountains rite??:dunno: never been there..!! lol;p it's better using wide to capture your family and the scenery aswell.. so for the wide i suggest 17-40f4, indoor shoot u crank up the iso, since u'll be using 30D it's good quality on high iso.. so use that plus point..
but then if u want portrait use prime 85f1.8 or 50f1.4 it's small in size also.. i bet 17-40 will be on your cam most of the time....
jes my opinion.... -peace-

Agree.
17-40mm f4L :thumbsup:
85mm f1.8 :thumbsup:
or
50mm f1.4:thumbsup:

Bring enough memory cards and a harddisk to backup at the end of the day.
Not forgetting battries and chargers

 

[kelccm]

I would certainly like to avoid heavy lenses and therefore really thinking hard with the 24-105f/4L lens as (1) it is a great according to most review and (2) it is not as heavy as the 24-70 f/2.8 lens.

Guessed its a give and take situation, if I need to, I may have to use higher ISO in low light condition with the f/4 Lens.

By the way, what do you recommend for a wide angle lens to bring along with the 24-105L? Maybe a Canon or a 3rd party lens? Should it be at least a f2.8 ?

If you are using wide angle lense for landscape photo, I doubt you'll be shooting it wide open. More likely you would want to maximise your depth of field. If you want to shoot landscape under low light, your best choice is a tripod.

 

[jeryltan]

Yeap.. You are correct

Isn't that why EF-S lenses have the advantage over EF lenses? The EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS lens is relatively light (600g) when compared to the EF 24-70 f/2.8 lens. The same is probably true for the upcoming Tokina 50-135 f/2.8 lens vs the Canon 70-200 f/2.8 lens.

Anyway, I used the 17-85 IS and 70-300 IS lenses during my one month vacation and found that the only time I used my tele lens was in a bird park. :bsmilie: So, I think if you're concerned about weight, take the XT + 17-85 IS lens and you're all set. Heavier than a p&s, but IS and usable high ISO definitely makes it far more worthwhile.

 

[jeryltan]

BTW, I forgot to mention.. I'm referring to zooms. Primes are definitely ok.. My mistake for not mentioning that as I'm primarily a zoom person and the only prime lens I have is the 50mm f/1.8..

Are you speaking from experience? Or from peddled forum comments and reviews such as dpreview?

50 1.4 and 85 1.8 works just fine. And I'm very sure there are more which I've yet to try.

But let's not deviate from the thread too much. Just hoping that such comments don't perpetuate as truths when they're hearsay.

 

[shinken]

I work in Canon.. What do you think? BTW, I forgot to mention.. I'm referring to zooms. Primes are definitely ok.. My mistake for not mentioning that as I'm primarily a zoom person and the only prime lens I have is the 50mm f/1.8..

Erm... I think you work in Canon, after you said you work in Canon?

That's all that is to it. Even if you work in Canon, hands-on experience differs from owners's experience. A "worker's" experience is different from a photographer's experience. Unless you're a pixel peeper, or print high quality (i mean high quality) billboards, shoot commercials, in which a Canon system may not suffice - I fail to be convinced, by a worker in Canon, that 5D needs L glasses, or it would be a waste of money.

Please know that I agree with you, that 5D needs good glasses. 24-85 can have excellent results on my 20D, but becomes soft somehow, on the 5D. But I hope you refrain from making a sweeping statement that only L glasses are the ones that are suitable.

I've had my say, and sorry for digressing from the topic.

 

[songandesther]

I think you have already identified your own needs. You said that travelling with a wide angle and 70-200 f/4L would be inconvenient and heavy.

Which lens you choose depends on whether you have FF camera or not. If you do not have FF, then you need at least a lens that is 17mm otherwise you will not have something wide enough. If you have FF, then 24-105 is more than enough to create beautiful images under good hands.

You mentioned that you already did six trips using PnS. So I guess this will be your first trip with a DSLR. My advice is to go light coz even light is many times heavier than a PnS. When you are experienced then add more lens next time. Besides, the more unfamilar equipment you bring, the more "stressful" you are.

When I'm travelling, I'll bring 16-35 and 70-200 f4, my film SLR and tripod. Photography is impt during my trips so I do not mind the hassle. Someone mentioned that you do not need a telephoto zoom. I find that my 70-200 zoom is important during trips coz in some situations I cannot or do not want to zoom with my legs. Then I can just zoom in and pick out the details.

I find that when travelling, you need all the flexibility your equipment can provide. You want to take pictures but also have an enjoyable time.