Workshop - Zone System For Digital Photographer

[vince123123]

Chijmes is more accessible

Okay... I have decided two locations to conduct the workshop. They are CHIJMES (my vote!) or Fort Canning Park. Which location do you favors most?

Otherwise, I am all ears to other locations as well. It has to be scenic, some buildings, quiet and most importantly, seats or benches and tables available.

 

[Paladin]

But will they let us in as a group?

 

[yanyewkay]

and dUh.. i was #9 to raise hand but was not in the list too... someone just started a list without adding those before him.. So now he's number 1..

 

[sfhuang]

Just came back to this thread today and now there's a list?!? :sticktong #@$! :dunno:

anyway photopurist I applaud your efforts to share. Have fun. :cry:

 

[Ashleyy]

Okay... I have decided two locations to conduct the workshop. They are CHIJMES (my vote!) or Fort Canning Park. Which location do you favors most?

Otherwise, I am all ears to other locations as well. It has to be scenic, some buildings, quiet and most importantly, seats or benches and tables available.

I dun mind either place. ;p

 

[Ansel]

First of all apologies to all here for this genuinely OT post, but I just have to get this message out of my chest. I was planning on leaving and not post anymore after 888 posts, but unfortunately I stumbled on this thread only this morning I must get this message to photopurist.

Dear Larry,

I applaud your generosity, amidst your busy schedule in conducting this workshop. I believe your intentions are good, it is perhaps your lack of certain social graces that made you resort to using certain words, which even a person of low education like myself know to avoid using at certain times and places, and applying to certain people. Oh, were you educated in the US? I envy you! I guess some of us poor clubsnappers here were educated in Singapore, and so our English is not as powderful as yours. But I am sure your English is not as powderful as my corporal in the army during my BMT days.

I am glad you said in a later post that you do respect Ansel Adams. This was not obvious in your earlier posts. Most of the truly great photographers in the world after Adams do respect and admire him. It always makes my blood boil when I hear or read lesser ones insult him in certain ways, which more often than not, point to their own hollowness and insecurity. Yes, it is obvious from my nick that I am an admirer of Ansel Adams.

Thanks for sharing with us the list of workshops you participated in. The names read like who's who in the world of photography. I hope you don't have all these printed in your business card, or you will need a card of panoramic proportions to contain them. But what does that list tell us about you? Well, perhaps because you have the money to pay for all these workshops? Thanks for enlightening us to the cost of such workshops! Wow, for the price of one workshop, I can pay for 2 years of University education here in Singapore! Maybe that's why my English is still not so powderful. I still envy you!

Now I wish I can get to attend your workshop, because even if I don't learn anything about photography, I might improve my English a little bit.

OT OT apologies!!

 

[photopurist]

I believed you called yourself "Ansel" is either because you admire the late photographer or that you pick it up along your life.

Okay... I do not want to get personal with you. But I want to make it clear that:
1st - I admire the late Ansel Adam. I still think he is the best printer the photography world ever had.

2nd - I am not rich. If I am rich, I won't be staying in a miserable 3 room flat in AMK. At one time I was thinking of converting one of the bedroom into a darkroom. My family greatly objected. I worked my ass-off from 10AM to 10 PM as a part-time waiter at a Chinese restaurant in New York to pay for those workshops.

3rd - If my English is any better than yours, I could have majored in English Literature or Political Science while at the University instead of in Photography. To tell you the truth, I got a C6 in English during my 'O' Level.

So... suck it up and admit that you are jealous because I work harder than you to go the United States to study and to work from early morning to late evening every alternate days just to attend a day or two of workshops by reknown photographer. Of course, being a student also have its advantage. Have you ever heard of student rates? I doubt you have. It is at least 40% less than the regular rate.

 

[student]

Of course, being a student also have its advantage. Have you ever heard of student rates? I doubt you have. It is at least 40% less than the regular rate.

Just a clarification please.

I am just wondering about John Sexton's workshop at Anderson Ranch. I am not aware of student rate. I just checked up Anderson Ranch program on John's coming 2 week workshop. The tuition fee was listed as $1475.00 and studio fee as $195.00, making a total of $1670.00. With a student rate of minus 40%, the cost would be about $1000.00. Assuming a accomodation cost of $40.00 per day and a very reasonable $30.00 for food per day, the total cost for food and accomodation would be again about $1000.00. So the total cost of workshop fees plus food and accomodation would be about $2000.00.

But you mentioned in post #5 that the cost of John's Workshop was $3800.00! So how much would the actual cost really be? I have a niece in US who would like to attend John's workshop.

Of course. Cost would have changed over the years. Tuition fees, accomodation and food could have been A LOT higher those days.

Appreciate clarification.

 

[Ansel]

So... suck it up and admit that you are jealous because I work harder than you to go the United States to study and to work from early morning to late evening every alternate days just to attend a day or two of workshops by reknown photographer. Of course, being a student also have its advantage. Have you ever heard of student rates? I doubt you have. It is at least 40% less than the regular rate.

I am jealous.

 

[photopurist]

A clarification. I attended 2 workshop in a roll. One on Zone System and photography, the other on fine art darkroom printing. Does that ring your bell?

 

[photopurist]

A clarification. I attended 2 workshops in a roll. One on Zone System and photography, the other on fine art darkroom printing. I cannot remember the actual rates individually, but I recall paying the amount. Does that ring you bell?

 

[benedium]

1)Vamp
2) Khairi
3) Nemesis32
4) Asdfasdfadsf
5) Ashleyy (ok to pay )
6)yymun
7) camedia (ok to pay)
8) Aim
9) Ahwatukee
10) Venom81
11) IcCcYBoi
12) superman
13) Sydney2K
14) vince123123
15) Yunghans
16) Paladin
17) eadwine
18) shan_gui
19) 0kb
20) timlim
21) uris1982 (ok to pay )
22) initialE24
23) catchlights (ok to pay )
24) pcwe68
25) quekky (ok to pay )
26) wainism
27) CoolNerd
28) Darkforce (ok to pay )
29) Serendipity
30) wong_se
31) yeoay (ok to pay)
32 benedium (ok to pay)

 

[photopurist]

Another clarification. Obviously, you do not expect me to drive from Rochester to Aspen in my 11 years old Corolla. It will take at least a day or 2, plus staying in a motel. Return airfare costs another US$300 or so. Happy now?

 

[yanyewkay]

i think we shouldn't doubt photopurist's qualifications. If he doesn't have what it takes, he won't have volunteered to give a workshop. Let's just not doubt anybody's credibility here. It doesn't matter if we speak queen's english or stay in amk. As long as the intention here is to share knowledge we should all be happy.

How many people do you find willing to teach (for free) what they've learnt from expensive paid workshops?

 

[yanyewkay]

1)Vamp
2) Khairi
3) Nemesis32
4) Asdfasdfadsf
5) Ashleyy (ok to pay )
6)yymun
7) camedia (ok to pay)
8) Aim
9) Ahwatukee
10) Venom81
11) IcCcYBoi
12) superman
13) Sydney2K
14) vince123123
15) Yunghans
16) Paladin
17) eadwine
18) shan_gui
19) 0kb
20) timlim
21) uris1982 (ok to pay )
22) initialE24
23) catchlights (ok to pay )
24) pcwe68
25) quekky (ok to pay )
26) wainism
27) CoolNerd
28) Darkforce (ok to pay )
29) Serendipity
30) wong_se
31) yeoay (ok to pay)
32 benedium (ok to pay)
33) yanyewkay

 

[photopurist]

I am not only referring to some posters on this forum but also to my youngest cousin who just completed his NS and wanted to go to the U.S. to further his education. I advise him not to.

They do not know all the **** and crap we have to endure to just to get a piece of paper from a foreign land. Unlike those who study locally. You have your parents, relatives and friends close to your access. We have nobody to rely on. We are fighting a lonely battle everyday.

Then why I went overseas then? Simple. Twenty years ago, the education system in this country sucks. You either go to VITB or to some private school if we cannot make the grade. Everybody was thinking of a way out. Those who had stronger financial backing could afford to go to either the US or UK.

Now is different. So why be jealous of me. In fact, I should be the one jealous of you.

 

[nemesis32]

i think we shouldn't doubt photopurist's qualifications. If he doesn't have what it takes, he won't have volunteered to give a workshop. Let's just not doubt anybody's credibility here. It doesn't matter if we speak queen's english or stay in amk. As long as the intention here is to share knowledge we should all be happy.

How many people do you find willing to teach (for free) what they've learnt from expensive paid workshops?

Agreed with you... Let's not be so petty and nit-pick.

 

[student]

How many people do you find willing to teach (for free) what they've learnt from expensive paid workshops?

Nothing to do with the original thread regarding workshop. I am one who feel that any photographer can benefit from an understanding of the zone system, and passionately defended the zone system in this forum not too long ago. As a result of this, at the last Circle of Light gathering there was a short presentation on the zone system. Unfortunately I could not explain things well because of severe time constraints and I had to cut back a half hour talk to less than 10 minutes. Totally inadequate! So I am actually quite please that photopurist is able to offer these workshops.

My suggestion to photopurist is not to bring some of the less savory stuff he "acquired" from the States. It is interesting that the times I spent in US o photography had always been with people who do not use "foul" languages. I had met some of the nicest people there! I had invited people to my darkroom on a one-one basis and shared whatever little knowledge I know. Not only I spent my time, but the people used my chemicals and papers too! Without paying a single cent! But I never felt necessary to announce who my teachers were and how much I had spent on learning photography. That was unimportant to me. What was important to me is that people learn from the time we spent together.

I would love to do what photopurist offers, but those of you who know me know that my time schedule do not allow me to give time commitments like that.

So, my best wishes to photopurist on his workshop. And send back some of the nonsense he "learnt" to the US!

 

[timlim]

Nothing to do with the original thread regarding workshop.

why do people say that they are aware that what they have to say is OT, and then go on to say it?

My suggestion to photopurist is not to bring some of the less savory stuff he "acquired" from the States. It is interesting that the times I spent in US o photography had always been with people who do not use "foul" languages. I had met some of the nicest people there!

what is also interesting is that my impression of westerners in general is that many of them tend to be rather OPEN and TOLERANT of the views of others, and are careful not to insist that their opinions are only ones which are correct.

i too have made a lot of friends in the US, some of whom use "foul" language quite liberally. i have generally not observed any direct co-relation between foulness of mouth, and nice-ness of personality. in fact i think they are quite different things.

photopurist: if i may say so, you have 33 eager students waiting to learn from you. just carry on with what you believe in and let the rest make up their own minds!

 

[photopurist]

I came back to Singapore just a short two years ago, and frankly speaking, I am still suffering from the so-called "Reverse Culture Shock." I used to think that Singaporeans are open-minded and tolerant to criticisms compared to those from Mainland China. No, I am dead wrong. Singaporeans are conservative, closed-minded, inmature and defensive. I am a Singaporean, but most of my friends now are from Mainland China. My art director is from Shanghai. Even for a woman, she takes criticisms exceptionally well. She does not mind me using foul languages at work. Not that I like to use them, but when I am working under pressure and stress, all kinds of words come from my mouth (anybody too). But I do not mean them at all. Does that ring your bell?

Most Singaporeans are warm-hearted and helpful when needs arise (such as the Asian Tsunami), but when it comes to our attitiude, we needs to examine ourselves more.

I am not defending the Westerners either, especially the Americans. Usually when they are really nice to you, they need something from you.