Will you swap your M9 / M9P / ME for the Sony FF compact?
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I seriously doubt so... not for many kinds of professional shooting...
NazgulKing
Senior Member
Someone did a test with some M mount lenses on the A7. The result? The ultra wides are crap.
http://www.ronscheffler.com/techtalk/?p=224
I will be honest. Even with the M9, ultrawides barely cut it for the most part and will only work with software correction.
http://www.ronscheffler.com/techtalk/?p=224
I will be honest. Even with the M9, ultrawides barely cut it for the most part and will only work with software correction.
It's all about the results, experience and value, not brand or technology. The M lenses may be expensive but they are good value - great images, last forever. Sadly the digital M bodies are nowhere near and therefore overpriced.
The A7/7R looks great on paper. However my preference is for a RF form factor, with an added VF if necessary, so this SLR look is no good, for me. But I will have to try it first. Also this vignetting on super-wide is a potential deal breaker. Early days yet, there will be more options on the way.
The A7/7R looks great on paper. However my preference is for a RF form factor, with an added VF if necessary, so this SLR look is no good, for me. But I will have to try it first. Also this vignetting on super-wide is a potential deal breaker. Early days yet, there will be more options on the way.
nsng
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If your preference is composing and focusing through a rf viewfinder, the Leica M series is the only choice. If composing and focusing with LV and EVF is your preference, then the A7R is a good choice, assuming it can perform well with the wide angle lenses.
The current M rf viewfinder traces its roots all the way back to the M3, launched back in 1954. Despite today's AF, LV and EVF, the rf is still my preferred way of viewing and focusing up to 90mm lens. I have used the EVF with the M240, but I still prefer the rf viewfinder, even if I have to use external viewfinder for my 21mm and WATE Tri-Elmar. BTW, the current M240 rf is extremely good, better than the M8 and M9, as good as my M3!
I am certain the A7R will do well. I might even get one for my R lenses, some of which have been converted to alpha mount.
N S Ng
The current M rf viewfinder traces its roots all the way back to the M3, launched back in 1954. Despite today's AF, LV and EVF, the rf is still my preferred way of viewing and focusing up to 90mm lens. I have used the EVF with the M240, but I still prefer the rf viewfinder, even if I have to use external viewfinder for my 21mm and WATE Tri-Elmar. BTW, the current M240 rf is extremely good, better than the M8 and M9, as good as my M3!
I am certain the A7R will do well. I might even get one for my R lenses, some of which have been converted to alpha mount.
N S Ng
sillbeers15
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Very tempting proposition for me to add a A7 (not A7R as field report revealed it to be a slower camera in focusing and frames taking) while I keep my M240 for my Leica M and R glasses,...this will allow me to use its AF feature on AF Carl Zeiss lenses and allows me to utilize my C/Y bunch of MF Zeiss lenses as well.
marcphotosg
Senior Member
You know.. A lot of people bitch about the M cameras costing so much, and they cry out for someone to make a full frame mirrorless camera.. Then someone does, and that someone happens to be Sony, not a camera giant, but a company that's had stunning success in the mirrorless department, and someone who has the money for proper R&D. But look what happens, Sony's camera sucks for wide angel lenses. Gets obviously stomped by the R&D from Leica.. So now you know why Leica's cost so much, they take care to make a quality product.
Long story short, I wouldn't trade my M cameras for Sony's attempt at a FF mirrorless camera IF I were treating it as an M replacement and wanted to continue to use my great Leica lenses.. HOWEVER, if I were treating it as a separate system using say the new Carl Zeiss lenses that are being produced for it.. Then yea I think I'd buy it, and it might be a fun little camera. Although kinda ugly looking to be honest.
Long story short, I wouldn't trade my M cameras for Sony's attempt at a FF mirrorless camera IF I were treating it as an M replacement and wanted to continue to use my great Leica lenses.. HOWEVER, if I were treating it as a separate system using say the new Carl Zeiss lenses that are being produced for it.. Then yea I think I'd buy it, and it might be a fun little camera. Although kinda ugly looking to be honest.
If I ever buy a A7r is mainly supplementary for low light.... Nothing beats Kodah ccd M8 Aps-h and M9 FF ccd... under available light photography.. The texture and image realism sometimes films like or look of the medium format.. is fascinating.. But Sony is setting a trend in innovation, I find it impact on current Leica M240 cmos FF.. Than the prior m8 and m9. .
After looking to the test:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ronscheffler/sets/72157636762872786/
I'm seriously RE-consider to add it to my dry cabinet.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/ronscheffler/sets/72157636762872786/
I'm seriously RE-consider to add it to my dry cabinet.
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I carry 2 cameras when I travel. A M240 and a Sony RX1.
Since I have gotten the RX1, I have not mounted a 35mm lens on my M. It is close in terms of IQ and to be honest, it is a much more capable camera by far. Higher ISO, AF, better EVF, smaller, lighter etc.
I am able to take pictures that I would never have been able to with a M240 without a tripod. If you don't need that last 10 to 15% of IQ (by my own personal scale and in ideal situations) you really don't need the M.
Then we come to the RF experience, there is nothing that will replace it except another RF. With the exception of the widest apertures, I am able to focus faster, take faster shots because it is almost second nature to me.
If push comes to shove and I can only bring 1 camera, I will pick the M240 but more because it is more versatile with a huge selection of lenses rather than the ease of use or the IQ.
So now we have the A7 and A7R. Basically the A7 is like a RX1 with interchangeable lenses. With the exception of the need for ultra wide lenses, I think I will pick the A7 any day.
Since I have gotten the RX1, I have not mounted a 35mm lens on my M. It is close in terms of IQ and to be honest, it is a much more capable camera by far. Higher ISO, AF, better EVF, smaller, lighter etc.
I am able to take pictures that I would never have been able to with a M240 without a tripod. If you don't need that last 10 to 15% of IQ (by my own personal scale and in ideal situations) you really don't need the M.
Then we come to the RF experience, there is nothing that will replace it except another RF. With the exception of the widest apertures, I am able to focus faster, take faster shots because it is almost second nature to me.
If push comes to shove and I can only bring 1 camera, I will pick the M240 but more because it is more versatile with a huge selection of lenses rather than the ease of use or the IQ.
So now we have the A7 and A7R. Basically the A7 is like a RX1 with interchangeable lenses. With the exception of the need for ultra wide lenses, I think I will pick the A7 any day.
Redsun
Senior Member
it looks like the issue peter karbe was talking about when he gave a talk at smu
NazgulKing
Senior Member
Even the Leica Summicron 35mm ASPH, which is "decently telecentric" didn't pan out. I guess no hope then, lol... I will wait for the Nikon DF then.
Monitor this.
How will A7 affect Leica M
Existing M owners, no issue since they already paid and bought. It is water under the bridge.
Future very rich camera buyers, no issue since they will buy anything because it is expensive to demonstrate wealth.
Future camera buyers who have not yet bought and who may consider value for money+technical prowess+wide price gap.
This is the potential slice of the cake that Leica can lose.
Statistically, how many people would use rangefinder UWA lenses with A7? Don't know.
How true is the so-called test alleging that rangefinder UAW lenses cannot perform with A7? Believe it if you want to.
How will A7 affect Leica M
Existing M owners, no issue since they already paid and bought. It is water under the bridge.
Future very rich camera buyers, no issue since they will buy anything because it is expensive to demonstrate wealth.
Future camera buyers who have not yet bought and who may consider value for money+technical prowess+wide price gap.
This is the potential slice of the cake that Leica can lose.
Statistically, how many people would use rangefinder UWA lenses with A7? Don't know.
How true is the so-called test alleging that rangefinder UAW lenses cannot perform with A7? Believe it if you want to.
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