strassersg
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Please forgive for digressing from the original thread.
I believe what Hacker is trying to say (please correct me if i'm wrong), we have to compare apples to apples. The Grand Seikos were made to compete with the best the Europeans have to offer, that means the Vacherons, Pateks, AP (The trinity of swiss watch making) and Langes (German).
Accuracy, yes, perhaps the Grand Seiko may be more accurate, but thats not all that matters. We perhaps look at the finishing of the case, the dial design, the finishing of the movement et al. All of the above have standards higher than a mere COSC, which is not really required anyway, its just a means to bump up the price to the consumer. I could very well be wrong, but I dont believe any of the said 4 even send the watches to be COSC certified. In terms of the overall package, to me at least, the Grand Seiko lacks the sophistication of these marque names. But in terms of valuue for money, its a great watch. I've appended some pics of the Grand Seiko movement compared to a Patek and a Lange. Movement finishing wise, there is no comparision.
Rolex is a great name for dive watches. The oyster perpetual is a beautiful watch, tried and tested. That said, most divers nowadays use Seikos I believe. People buy rolexes for the name, durabiity and holdability in terms of resale price.
The movements used in the marine master is more than a match for your run of the mill ETA/Unitas movements. The rolex movement when opened is nothing much to look at, but it works. Seiko offers a big bang for the buck, but perhaps just lacks that je ne sais quoi compared to other swiss middle ranged brands such as IWC, Panerai (seiko wins the movement/accuracy contest here, but people dont really buy PAMS for that) and Omega. However that said, they compare very favourably with lower end brands such as SINN, Fortis, not saying any 4 fiigured piece is low end but relatively speaking.
I believe what Hacker is trying to say (please correct me if i'm wrong), we have to compare apples to apples. The Grand Seikos were made to compete with the best the Europeans have to offer, that means the Vacherons, Pateks, AP (The trinity of swiss watch making) and Langes (German).
Accuracy, yes, perhaps the Grand Seiko may be more accurate, but thats not all that matters. We perhaps look at the finishing of the case, the dial design, the finishing of the movement et al. All of the above have standards higher than a mere COSC, which is not really required anyway, its just a means to bump up the price to the consumer. I could very well be wrong, but I dont believe any of the said 4 even send the watches to be COSC certified. In terms of the overall package, to me at least, the Grand Seiko lacks the sophistication of these marque names. But in terms of valuue for money, its a great watch. I've appended some pics of the Grand Seiko movement compared to a Patek and a Lange. Movement finishing wise, there is no comparision.
Rolex is a great name for dive watches. The oyster perpetual is a beautiful watch, tried and tested. That said, most divers nowadays use Seikos I believe. People buy rolexes for the name, durabiity and holdability in terms of resale price.
The movements used in the marine master is more than a match for your run of the mill ETA/Unitas movements. The rolex movement when opened is nothing much to look at, but it works. Seiko offers a big bang for the buck, but perhaps just lacks that je ne sais quoi compared to other swiss middle ranged brands such as IWC, Panerai (seiko wins the movement/accuracy contest here, but people dont really buy PAMS for that) and Omega. However that said, they compare very favourably with lower end brands such as SINN, Fortis, not saying any 4 fiigured piece is low end but relatively speaking.
