soeypixels
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no one think they look fugly?
Who will buy the upcoming Nikon Mirrorless?
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Think that is personal preference. I thought they look OK. Though, with smaller sensor, I thought they can make it smaller for both body and lens.
scaredcloud
Senior Member
I didn't like these new releases from Nikon (on paper at least), mainly on how they've configured the UI (hardware POF).
Would have to play around with it extensively to make a decision.
But I couldn't understand why is everyone biting on the sensor size and doubt the image quality...
seriously, a 1" sensor with 10MP performing substantially worse than a 24MP APS-C? It wouldn't make sense, would it?
It is at least a sigh of relief for Nikon to ditch the MP game. How I wish the NEX-7 was built on a 16MP sensor, it'd hv made life much easier...
Would have to play around with it extensively to make a decision.
But I couldn't understand why is everyone biting on the sensor size and doubt the image quality...
seriously, a 1" sensor with 10MP performing substantially worse than a 24MP APS-C? It wouldn't make sense, would it?
It is at least a sigh of relief for Nikon to ditch the MP game. How I wish the NEX-7 was built on a 16MP sensor, it'd hv made life much easier...
renzokuken
Senior Member
A breakthrough is described as :A sudden, dramatic, and important discovery or development, esp. in science
the Olympus PEN E-P3 and many other DSLR/DSLR-like cameras are already capable of 60fps for video
it is no technological breakthrough, it is not new, not revolutionary
10fps for stills is also not considered as a breakthrough for a camera with no flapping mirror
the AF speed certainly needs more, much more, hands-on experience from real users before anyone can claim it as "fastest AF breakthrough"
Nikon's Website said:
do take note i'm only crticising it's paper specs performance
everything else is subjected to real-world testing and user feedback
perhaps this product series is revolutionary/innovation/creative only within Nikon itself
but if you compare it with its competitors, I have my reservations
frankly as a consumer/enthusiast, I am NOT impressed
I hope that I can be proven wrong of course, a good camera would always benefit us enthusiast
anyway just to share some sample shots:
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/acil/bodies/v1/img/sample/img_02_l.jpg:
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JW73
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This problem won't go away and this is also one of the main factor that killed the orginal 4/3 system. Everyone "doubt" a 2x sensor.(me included..LOL) But luckily the m4/3 system came back with a bang that proved smaller sensor can still give nice images and a nice small form factor espically on their lens.
Its very simple. Small sensor cannot give you SHALLOW DEPTH OF FIELD which we need for Portrait.
The Bokeh on a small sensor will always be worse than a bigger sensor given the same perspective (positioning of subject), no matter how advanced the sensor is.
That's how optics are and this is constrained by the law of light physics.
But a big sensor can give you either a shallow DOF or a lot of DOF if you stop down.
Basically a big sensor can do what a small sensor can't but not the other way round.
Of course if lots of DOF is what you want and you willing to pay that price, then by all means get it.
scaredcloud
Senior Member
is it just me or you are trying to tell me shallow DoF = better image quality?
and you don't NEED shallow DoF doe portrait, you USE it sometimes.
and bokeh quality does not relate to sensor size, it's the lens.
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george671
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is it just me or you are trying to tell me shallow DoF = better image quality?
and you don't NEED shallow DoF doe portrait, you USE it sometimes.
and bokeh quality does not relate to sensor size, it's the lens.
Finally, somebody making some sense!!! Right on Brother! We used to love making portraits on occasion with an 8x10 camera (on film of course), but a 35mm slr was the normal camera of choice for every day use! And your right about bokeh....Thats why the M4/3 system has some f1.0 and f.95 choices... for the folks who think they have to have shallow depth of field all the time..... And I suppose the new nikon system will eventually come up with some new low light lenses as well...But since I am already into the M4/3 system, Its good enought for me......I already have FF and DX and PnS anyway.....
Cheers
kwanhan
Senior Member
i think it would be good to read thom hogan's thoughts on the product.
http://bythom.com/
i guess in the same way that someone accused of a crime is innocent until proven guilty... let's wait and see some actual reviews.
(although personally i would get a sony NEX instead at this point.. and then again, only if they can come up with a decent performing AF pancake of their own)
http://bythom.com/
i guess in the same way that someone accused of a crime is innocent until proven guilty... let's wait and see some actual reviews.
(although personally i would get a sony NEX instead at this point.. and then again, only if they can come up with a decent performing AF pancake of their own)
nikonriana
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No matter how well they can invent and create the mirror-less dslr, they can never beat the feel of how it is like to have a beast in your hand
DM101
Senior Member
They should had made it APS-C and then we can buy this mirrorless for use as a "spare" or back-up compact camera....
However doing so will eat into their share of DSLR sale since both will be using the same sensor and largely same IQ.
Damn if u do and damn if u don't.
But then again my preferences is still to have a "monster" DSLR in my hand - heavy and sturdy. The last thing I need is a "toy"
However doing so will eat into their share of DSLR sale since both will be using the same sensor and largely same IQ.
Damn if u do and damn if u don't.
But then again my preferences is still to have a "monster" DSLR in my hand - heavy and sturdy. The last thing I need is a "toy"
kwanhan
Senior Member
well...the whole point is to see what it was designed to be.
it's not meant to be someone's main workhouse, not even a back up 2nd camera... just a leisure camera that is a step up from a compact.
of course, nothing beats the feel of a sturdy well built camera in the hands... but even as i find less time and less motivation to bring out a dslr to shoot, i find myself wishing that i had a m4/3 with a pancake prime to whip out on the go.
Hmm... in the first place, this system is not meant to be a DSLR replacement. They are meant for consumer market targeting at p7000 equivalent type of PNS but with slightly more capability.
But seems like most ppl here are looking for DSLR replacement instead and bashing the camera before touching it.
But seems like most ppl here are looking for DSLR replacement instead and bashing the camera before touching it.
jeff7id
Senior Member
DSLR replacement (with APS-C sensor) with small size like a compact cam.
Yes there is, Sony NEX series, Samsung NX series. But definitely not Nikon 1.
My concern is just the Price. Doesn't make sense if for the Nikon 1, they want to sell on the same price with NEX or NX ones ..
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ShaneKua
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My Concern is the Estimated RRP.
At that price its higher than the consumer offerings of both M43 and NEX.
1. M43 has a well established line of Lenses natively already, versus Nikons paltry launch line up.
Dont even talk about adapters for the Nikon 1, because M43 has adapters for practically anything.
2. For people who want quality from the sensor, Sonys NEX are the ones to beat. NEX-5n has phenomenon High ISO and Dynamic range.
Not to mention the OPTION of Shallow DOF. Its ALWAYS better to have the option for a Shallower DOF than to not have one at all.
And all these options for LESS than what Nikon is offering. Im not saying that Nikons offering is bad. Im saying in line with its competitors, its Too Little, Too Expensive, Too Late.
Unless Nikon pulls a miracle and the sensor is really something magical?
At that price its higher than the consumer offerings of both M43 and NEX.
1. M43 has a well established line of Lenses natively already, versus Nikons paltry launch line up.
Dont even talk about adapters for the Nikon 1, because M43 has adapters for practically anything.
2. For people who want quality from the sensor, Sonys NEX are the ones to beat. NEX-5n has phenomenon High ISO and Dynamic range.
Not to mention the OPTION of Shallow DOF. Its ALWAYS better to have the option for a Shallower DOF than to not have one at all.
And all these options for LESS than what Nikon is offering. Im not saying that Nikons offering is bad. Im saying in line with its competitors, its Too Little, Too Expensive, Too Late.
Unless Nikon pulls a miracle and the sensor is really something magical?
actually, im not surprise if the pricing gonna be near or just slightly lower than NEX, after all sony is very aggressive on their body pricing and marketing, completely unlike their lens pricing..
like I say be4, the nikon1 is probably targeted towards people who just want a sweet and simple camera that is capable of good picture. they probably don care about sensor size... etc, and wun even compare it with NEX, NX, EP, GF, and whichever. All they probably one is just a camera that can take clear and sharp photos, the ability to chance lens is a big bonus to them.
To us who got used to dslr, the nikon1 may be just too "underpowered" in terms of sensor size... etc. but again, to them, its the photos that counts. sad to say, most average consumers don even know the sensor size between ff, apsc, 4/3 or even various pns.
personally for me, i do wish they come out with a 24-70 equiv lens instead of the current 27-81 equiv
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ShaneKua
Senior Member
The RRP is already out.
J1 $649.99
v1 $899.95
Compared to the nearest competitors
Nex-5N - $648
Pana G3 - $699
This is all in USD
I stand by my conclusions in my previous post.
Nikon better offer rebates fast to bring down the price. If the price pits it in competition with the high-end compacts like the P7100, G12, then it will be a very good deal for what’s offered. As the pricing stands, i can’t see how people w/o any vested interest in Nikon will want to buy into a new system. Looks like it might just be back to M43 for me then
kriegsketten
New Member
I've finally felt the V1, it is indeed very weighty for a small camera. Somewhere around the weight of a small DSLR but rock solid built (I highly recommend that they come in limited edition gold colour please... hehehe)
Not used to the controls (which is expected) but pretty easy once you know how, particularly "M" mode. Setting the shutter speed and aperture control have never been easier - simple thumb movements required, all conveniently located at the back of the body.
And man, the 10mm f/2.8 is such a small lens! Feels like small stack of casino chips in your palm!
Thanks for the poisoning Judge Dredd... ;o)
A perfect Spy camera! James Bond will be proud of it! ^_^
Not used to the controls (which is expected) but pretty easy once you know how, particularly "M" mode. Setting the shutter speed and aperture control have never been easier - simple thumb movements required, all conveniently located at the back of the body.
And man, the 10mm f/2.8 is such a small lens! Feels like small stack of casino chips in your palm!
Thanks for the poisoning Judge Dredd... ;o)
A perfect Spy camera! James Bond will be proud of it! ^_^
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