Which one is recommended, Sony P10 or Canon IXUS 500

[ricleo]

Seriously speaking NakedToes, I wouldn't have bothered to i wouldnt have replied to this age old thread had you only pointed out canon's good points, not just attempting to bash sony without any really good reason or experience with the sony's cameras.

So sorry if i'm a little sacarstic in some of the above replies and stepping on your toes... opps...sorry... i just couldn't help it.... heez.....(joke ah)

 

[nakedtoes]

Seriously speaking NakedToes, I wouldn't have bothered to i wouldnt have replied to this age old thread had you only pointed out canon's good points, not just attempting to bash sony without any really good reason or experience with the sony's cameras.

So sorry if i'm a little sacarstic in some of the above replies and stepping on your toes... opps...sorry... i just couldn't help it.... heez.....(joke ah)

Wah koaz !! i just coment that at low iso already so much noise, i nv said high noise what... May be u realli like pic with a bit of noise level and u can tolerate them.. I never always blash SONY and i hope u can read properly.. that i do commented P100's good image and low noise too.. i also did said the canon V2 CMI..

As for the comment "For me even if the P10 is given to me free i also dun want" comes straight from my heart. ..Its image quality is really very bad from the reviews and also because i tried them personally before too and find the image too much bluerish/ purple fringings. Not to mention the monopoly of the memory stick/pro from SONY. Maybe those that own P10 got hurt by the comment :blah:

At least i am not any particular brand fan boy or supporter. I am a supporter of a certain Model of certain brand. :bsmilie:

At least when the threadstarter ask the question "Which one is recommended, Sony P10 or Canon IXUS 500"

I recomend Ixus 430/400 which IMHO is better then Ixus 500 and cheaper too..

The reason i nv mention the bad points of Ixus 400/430 is that u have already mentioned them.. i dun have to repeat them right..

My top piority in a digi cam / analoge cam is image quality PERIOD..

I would like to correct yr below statement
"Seriously speaking NakedToes, I wouldn't have bothered to i wouldnt have replied to this age old thread had you only pointed out canon 's good points, not just attempting to bash sony without any really good reason or experience with the sony's cameras."

I only point out canon IXUS 400/430's good points

and

I do have experience with sony's camera too else i would not have know some of their models are famous for bluerish/ purple fringings..

I would like to thank u that u make me notice Sony P100.. it is really a good camera.. :lovegrin:

 

[nakedtoes]

Nakedtoes: Personally, I don't see the need to point out on flat screen CRT monitor. It does not make a difference to which monitor you are using. Ultimately, as what ricleo said, at 5MP or 4MP quality, regardless you are using it for wallpaper or printout, noise is not an issue anymore. One cannot see the noise at such high MP, even at ISO200. Purple fringing and noise should not be an issue, unless you like to view images at 100%.. Well, maybe it's you only. It's important to take note of more important aspects.

I used a Ixus 400 before myself, found the shutter lag to be bad, and the images are soft (not much of an issue though). They are some features that Canon is lacking in, eg a histogram is important, to be able to see if your images are exposed or not and Sony gains a point here in having that.

I think a more important issue and apparently basic feature, which was surprisely lacking in Ixus 400, and maybe 430 and 500?, is the absence of a battery indicator.

The playback in the Ixus series is slow too, taking loads of time to view the images if they are many, and even worse when the switching of playback to record mode is carried out. Waiting for 3-5 seconds is no joke.

yeah i agreed too with the Ixus 400/430 weakness u stated.. i mention 17inch CRT because i always see my photos using my monitor in high resolution and size ( use as wall paper too) as i seldom print them out in 3R or 4R.. If my needs is only to see them in prints of small size (3R and 4R), a normal 2 Mega pixel digi camera would be more then enough even for anyone. SOme ppl do own 19 or even 21 inch LCD/CRT.. then the purple fringings/ bluerishness of the P10 would be very very obvious.. As i have to reply on my first reply to this thread that if image quality is his(threadstarter) top piority he shld get Ixus 400/430, i never sugesst Ixus 500 althought he is deciding between P10 and Ixus 500 wol..

 

[ricleo]

now i still find your "blueish" coment really weird. Either u used the wrong WB mode, or used AWB all the time, even under difficult circumstances. If image quality is the top piority period, you shld be using a DSLR or a Prosumer camera at least instead of a fully auto P&S? Image quality does not only involve "noise free" images, but also of the level of detail captured in the image.

I've used Sony cameras from the beginning, and have gotten terrific results from all of them, ok, maybe with the exception of the 1MP DSC U10. Haha..

I've owned the U10, P2, P5, P7, P9, P10, now the F717, perhaps soon the F828(purple machine)

The reason why i stick by sony is not because i'm a sony fan boy, but because I can see past the MS propriety crap and the over hyped PF issue that only really came out with the 828 release. All cameras will get PF in images with high contrast scenes as long as the angle was "correct" maybe correct isn't the correct word to use . but PF plauges all cameras, and is only noticeable in like 2-3 of every 100 shots? Besides, PF can be resolved within 10 seconds in adobephotoshop.

Sony's good points are the excellent menu systems and user friendliness. Not to mention the innovativeness and excellent ergonomics.... no other camera maker has a swivel lens like the F717/F828,which is such a joy to use. In essence, sony's good points out weights most of the small flaws that may be present.

 

[ricleo]

anyway, now the price of a P100 and a W1 is already below the price of the P10 when this thread was started, so the would be owner shld be considering a P100/W1 vs a Ixus 430/500 instead of P10 vs Ixus 400.

 

[Adzz]

oh yea, the swivel lens is G.

 

[nakedtoes]

now i still find your "blueish" coment really weird. Either u used the wrong WB mode, or used AWB all the time, even under difficult circumstances. If image quality is the top piority period, you shld be using a DSLR or a Prosumer camera at least instead of a fully auto P&S? Image quality does not only involve "noise free" images, but also of the level of detail captured in the image.

I've used Sony cameras from the beginning, and have gotten terrific results from all of them, ok, maybe with the exception of the 1MP DSC U10. Haha..

I've owned the U10, P2, P5, P7, P9, P10, now the F717, perhaps soon the F828(purple machine)

The reason why i stick by sony is not because i'm a sony fan boy, but because I can see past the MS propriety crap and the over hyped PF issue that only really came out with the 828 release. All cameras will get PF in images with high contrast scenes as long as the angle was "correct" maybe correct isn't the correct word to use . but PF plauges all cameras, and is only noticeable in like 2-3 of every 100 shots? Besides, PF can be resolved within 10 seconds in adobephotoshop.

Sony's good points are the excellent menu systems and user friendliness. Not to mention the innovativeness and excellent ergonomics.... no other camera maker has a swivel lens like the F717/F828,which is such a joy to use. In essence, sony's good points out weights most of the small flaws that may be present.

I still can't afford a digi SLR yet althought i am aiming for one.. I do hope that u not just limited yr self to only SONY and try other good models form other brands too.. My previous model is a fujifilm Z2800 (6Xoptical zoom) ..The image output is terrific too for a mini 2 MPixel cam. As i have said i only goes for image quality and accuracy..

 

[Adzz]

I still can't afford a digi SLR yet althought i am aiming for one.. I do hope that u not just limited yr self to only SONY and try other good models form other brands too.. My previous model is a fujifilm Z2800 (6Xoptical zoom) ..The image output is terrific too for a mini 2 MPixel cam. As i have said i only goes for image quality and accuracy..

Sorry, but I don't quite understand about your meaning of accuracy, and why the need to emphasise your fujifilm camera having a 6 x optical zoom. Maybe you can elaborate more? I believe my previous U40 sony cam has excellent image quality too.

 

[nakedtoes]

since like CS do have quite a number of SONY fan boys...

 

[bernards]

Same goes for Nikon and Canon. Problem is the fanboys doesn't know they are fanboys themselves most of the time. You can't understand why people wil buy Sony P&S? I can't understand why anybody would recommend a Canon IXUS today. The lack of understanding goes on.

As for why Sony? I am sure there are quite a few good reasons. So does many other brands. You can't see this point of view? Don't worry, when you grow up mentally. It comes as part of the package.

 

[nakedtoes]

Same goes for Nikon and Canon. Problem is the fanboys doesn't know they are fanboys themselves most of the time. You can't understand why people wil buy Sony P&S? I can't understand why anybody would recommend a Canon IXUS today. The lack of understanding goes on.

As for why Sony? I am sure there are quite a few good reasons. So does many other brands. You can't see this point of view? Don't worry, when you grow up mentally. It comes as part of the package.

Another SOny's slave :bsmilie:

 

[ricleo]

Another SOny's slave :bsmilie:

why not say u are another canon ixus 400 slave? At least we go thru a whole series of different cameras, haha.

 

[ricleo]

Just a small point that doesn't seem to go thru to you.You say you go for colour accuracy, but in actual fact, u are going for the over saturated colours of the canon ixus series. Somehow can't get u to see that if colours are over saturated it is equilivant to being inaccurate to the true scene, even though it may look nicer on photos.

 

[nakedtoes]

Ricleo: I dun know why u always like to blash canon for its "over- saturated" color.... i believe that those that got better eyes can easily conclude that P100 is much over-saturated then Ixus 430 in the canoes pic (steve website) .. I only recomend a particular model of the canon to the threadstarter unlike someone recomending diferent models of SONY digicam.. We all know that u are a sony Fan boy but pls spare us a thought and dun be too biased against other brands and always think that this world only got the brand "SONY"... I dun support any particular brand, i only support certain good models like the fujifilm Z2800(discontinued), canon Ixus 400/430 and Nikon 3700.. unlike some frogs in the well , they only know SONY and SONY and SONY only... Anyway u can still continue and continue in this thread and it would never be an endind story cos u are already "OWNED" by SONY.. Anyway since u only use SONY digicams for the past of yr life and never experience with other brands i wonder how u can conclude and recomend Sony is better.. Neverthless as a fellow forumer i sincerely hope that u and the others can one day get out of the well.. and recently a friend ask me to recomend a compact digicam to her i did mention the SOny P100 which is in my opinion cheaper too..

 

[bernards]

Just a small point that doesn't seem to go thru to you.You say you go for colour accuracy, but in actual fact, u are going for the over saturated colours of the canon ixus series. Somehow can't get u to see that if colours are over saturated it is equilivant to being inaccurate to the true scene, even though it may look nicer on photos.

ricleo, it's really nice of you to keep this thread going to keep everybody entertained. It's pretty pointless though. Since you're 'OWNED' and a 'FANBOY' of Sony. :bsmilie: That would pretty much make you a :devil:. This thread is like :flush:.

 

[ricleo]

NakedToes,

Just FYI, I've owned a few of the other brands cameras in my upgrade path, and they inclue the fuji finepix 1600, fuji finepix f401, nikon coolpix 3100. My GF had the Ixus V2 and now owns the nikon coolpix 3700. MY good friend uses the IXus 400, and my brother owns the Fuji F700,I've used my older ono sony cams extensively, and have used my GF's, Brother's and tried my friend's cameras extensively as well... Now...Do mAke your allegations about people being "frogs in the well" only having experience with a single brand only after at least trying to find out what other equipment they have used. I've had plenty of experiences with these above cameras, but i always went back to sony after diverting to other brands to give them a try. The list of sonys were only meant to let u see at least I have experience with alot of sonys to be able to make more credible comments about their performance.

Also, I've never bashed Canon for being oversaturated. In fact, i even said a few times here that Canon's over saturation(which is common knowledge) actually makes images look more pleasing to the eye. It's just that I can't see how a person like u who claims to go only for Colour Accuracy and Quality, can say that oversaturation = accurate. It is nice and good to look at, but over saturated is definitely not the "accuracy" u are looking for.

All my replies were attempts to correct your obviously biased bashing of Sony's cameras(starting with the "give me P10 i also dun want" comment), and to point out the errors, lack of objectivity and inconsistencies in your arguments. Seriously, do point out anywhere I have bashed any brand here without reason. I've made my best attempts to remain civil in this "debate", but everytime i try to end off, you just reply with a new slew of replies, which once again contain biased information. I seriously don't know how one could keep bashing the P10 based on a steve digicam review picture. This is why i kept replying... so bernards, sorry to keep this going on, but u can choose to unsubscribe from this thread and stop reading it I plenty of time on my hands as my next employment stint starts in August.

Now...I have been consistent in all my replies, have not bashed any "brand" without basis, pointed out sony's misgivings wherever applicable or present. I really don't know how anyone can say that i'm unfairly biased against other brands(even though most of my cameras were sony), especially when this remark comes from you who anyone can see made many unfairly biased remarks without much substantiation.

Sometimes, I wonder if your read thru the comments and do your research properly b4 making your replies. So, do take your time to read thru everything now, and tell me again have i been unfairly biased against other brands? I may use more sony cameras, but at least i do not make groundless accusations, unlike someone around here.

 

[Poon]

People it seems like there is another brand addict here stirring up carp. Can we kindly ignore him and get back to helping Karyinn.

To Karyinn, if cost is not an issue, IMHO the W1 is definately quite a class above the others. Just go down to a camera shop and try them out personally, you'll know what i mean.


ps. And to the equipment bashing idiot, i am going out later in the day with a 22yr old camera with NO zoom, WB or autofocus and proberbly coming home with better photos then you ever have. :blah:

 

[Poon]

And for those who haven't figured out the above thread, I wasn't talking about ricleo.