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[Pro Image]

UUrrrrgggHHHHHHH! How the hell do you guys survived in the industry without a contract??? I serves to protect you and give assurance for your clients! :nono:

Eh because we based on TRUST? Seriously I have ask ALL my AWD client and they just stare and look at me.....then laugh......HAHA......

Just joking....on the serious note, me and my clients have an understanding. We do have a very very plain black and white. Not too sure how elaborate yours is. So far so good, touch wood lar!

On the commercial side, yes I will draft out a contract to protect myself...hehe!

 

[Pro Image]

Send liao! Hey Joho, how you want it??

Receive it! Oh this kind of contract? I have it too but not so elaborate. Much more simple. Hehe.....only 1 page small fonts!

My Commercial Contract is 3 pages....use bigger fonts!!!!HAHA......

Quite elaborate.....nice...!

 

[Hommie]

Eh because we based on TRUST? Seriously I have ask ALL my AWD client and they just stare and look at me.....then laugh......HAHA......

TRUST???!!! *faints*
Lets see how 'trust' can held up in the court of law! :bsmilie:

 

[Hommie]

Btw, my contract served both sides as AD wedding is a mutual thing. It won't work without the co-operation on all sides. It lists out the responsibility of the photographer and clients. The clients would be happy to see it and so am I the videographer. :thumbsup:

 

[Pro Image]

TRUST???!!! *faints*
Lets see how 'trust' can held up in the court of law! :bsmilie:

Ok lar....so far really no problem....TOUCH WOOD!

HEhe.......grins..... :sweatsm:

 

[Pro Image]

Btw, my contract served both sides as AD wedding is a mutual thing. It won't work without the co-operation on all sides. It lists out the responsibility of the photographer and clients. The clients would be happy to see it and so am I the videographer. :thumbsup:

ya can see yours is almost as elaborate as mine but i only use mainly for my commercial side as it USE AS A WEAPON to bring them to court. SOME Advertising agencies are just full nonsense. Do you know up tilll today, there are some of them actually still can lie to me and say BOSS out of town, boss haveing meeting, boss is on leave, boss is having lunch, boss.....blah.....?

Had a few incident where saw one of the boss of a advertising agency holding hands with another woman (China woman, his mistress)....(just happend to know his wife). So of course was lucky, I approach him straight away.....and he got shock! Hehe......BTW he owed me close to $6,000. So the very next day, he called me and told me the cheque was ready!!!! Keke.....i cannot stop laughing! Until today he still gives me jobs and pays me on the dot to keep my mouth shut. He is still with his mistress.....hehe!

I think his mistress is much better off as well(gorgoeous too).....as his wife is really a pain in the back. Nag nag nag and all day nag!

 

[jOhO]

Duudddde! I'll get you one as an example but that one is for videographer... How you want to sent it to you?

yo! thanx in advance.. eheh

send to jon@expressivelyjoho.com =))

 

[jOhO]

Hmmm.......this is very rare.....well. So far none of my customer have encounter this contract thingy based on ADW. Commercial jobs yes but ADW. Let me think about it. I will PM you.

In normal situation both parties will get protected if you draft out a contract properly. Always work towards your advantage. Let me think and get back this to you. Are you in a hurry?

neh no hurry..

i dun think she's all that formal, she just wondered if there is any contract that i will sign for her. i mean i was gonna say, no, usually this email serves as the "contact" but i guess she has every right to want it with my signature, if she desires. but so far she's not demanding, more like an enquiry. i just thot i better do my homework b4 replying her.. eheh

 

[Hommie]

neh no hurry..

Send liao! Brothers, better be save than to be crying over spilled milk!

 

[Hommie]

I think his mistress is much better off as well(gorgoeous too).....as his wife is really a pain in the back. Nag nag nag and all day nag!

I'll watch my back if I were you...... :bsmilie:

 

[Hommie]

ya can see yours is almost as elaborate as mine but i only use mainly for my commercial side as it USE AS A WEAPON to bring them to court. SOME Advertising agencies are just full nonsense. Do you know up tilll today, there are some of them actually still can lie to me and say BOSS out of town, boss haveing meeting, boss is on leave, boss is having lunch, boss.....blah.....?

I know them only too well. Most of my friends save for a few have all left the advertising field. Never know how to reward their staff for nuts! :angry:

 

[jOhO]

Send liao! Brothers, better be save than to be crying over spilled milk!

yo thanx man, got it!

so this is also thru email rite? nothing is printed out and signed?

 

[Hommie]

So far so good, touch wood lar!

On the commercial side, yes I will draft out a contract to protect myself...hehe!

Bro, I surprise you haven't hit the nail yet in Singapore where our clients are less than happening. Just a matter of time before you'll meet the ultimate cheapo clients who twist and turn their way to your early retirements.

I am still thinking of putting up more in the contract for safety pre-cautions incase of any future dispute..... :think:

 

[Hommie]

yo thanx man, got it!

so this is also thru email rite? nothing is printed out and signed?

I have a similar printed version, but the rough guidelines are there. Feel free to modify the way you like it for print or email.

 

[jOhO]

I have a similar printed version, but the rough guidelines are there. Feel free to modify the way you like it for print or email.

uh huh..

wat i meant was.. such a contract, does it "work" even tho it's in email? i mean, an email is SO easy to forge.. =P

 

[Hommie]

uh huh..

wat i meant was.. such a contract, does it "work" even tho it's in email? i mean, an email is SO easy to forge.. =P

Tell you what, that's where the word 'Deposit' came in. Print it and asked them to sign up along with a modest amount for reservation of the date incase of changed of minds! Let them feel a sting!

How long have you guys been doing this??

 

[Hommie]

uh huh..

wat i meant was.. such a contract, does it "work" even tho it's in email? i mean, an email is SO easy to forge.. =P

Email contract is a contract, verbal contract is also a contract. The thing is, how the hell are you gonna enforce it and to what cost?? :think:

 

[jOhO]

Tell you what, that's where the word 'Deposit' came in. Print it and asked them to sign up along with a modest amount for reservation of the date incase of changed of minds! Let them feel a sting!

How long have you guys been doing this??

shooting weddings for two years already. usually, like pro image, we don't get down to printing out documents, both sign, one copy each. and i guess (lucky me!) i've never had major problems before when customer refuses payment becos of disputes. again, there hasn't been any disputes that i can even remember, so i guess either i'm very lucky, or my work is very precise to wat they expect!

i think MOST pple that take freelancers know that it isn't normal to have so much documentation. even when they pay my deposit, they will do a cheque or bank transfer to me, i told him at least if anything happens, u will have the bank record to prove u paid to me. i seldom accept cash, so as to protect them. maybe i should just get a receipt book and issue to them...? (and at the same time sign on dotted line...)

 

[jOhO]

Email contract is a contract, verbal contract is also a contract. The thing is, how the hell are you gonna enforce it and to what cost?? :think:

yeah that's wat i meant.. does it hold in court?

i think the contract is mainly for peace of mind for both parties. neither parties would like to enforce the contract on the other, better that all details be ironed out and both expectations are in line PRIOR to the day.

 

[Pro Image]

Bro, I surprise you haven't hit the nail yet in Singapore where our clients are less than happening. Just a matter of time before you'll meet the ultimate cheapo clients who twist and turn their way to your early retirements.

I am still thinking of putting up more in the contract for safety pre-cautions incase of any future dispute..... :think:

so far my sixth sense are quite ok.......

but i do write out a contract on if they want too shoot. my rates are $1000 a day and above. so if they are cheapo, they will not look for me. most of my clientele are good pay master.

so i will not do anything less than that for commercial shoots. so el cheapo clients will look for el cheapo photographers!!!! keke........

as for weddings, 50% of the payment will be paid to me prior to the shoot. this is to make sure they do not back out last minute. keke.......