What motor vehicle do you own?

[wrx_sti_22b]

If you own a BMW M5, you have deep pocket... 5.0i V10 500bhp... the V10 engine burns a lot of petrol. But these cars like BMW M5, AMG MB E63 or C63, they depreciate a lot... used ones very hard to sell off.

 

[wrx_sti_22b]

OK, difference in opinion. Maybe in AU BMW 3 & 5 are mid range. However, in Singapore they cost from S$130K-330k (318i to M3) & $170k-450k (520 & M5)...definitely premium. An average BMW 520 costs double that of a Toyota Camry.

If Audi is luxury european, how can BMW be mid range when a BMW here costs more than Audi, new or preowned? Maybe different market, different positioning.

Does this also mean the E-Class is mid-range since BMW 5 is mid-range?

I only have eyes for Audi RS4 & RS6, both sedan & wagon. Audi R8 V10 5.2i. BMW M3, M5, M6, X6M, 760iL. They are all not mid range. :sweatsm:

 

[wrx_sti_22b]

define Mid-range Japanese, chim man, prelude under mid-range Jap? So Subaru Legacy GT under Boy racer or wat huh? hehe

The normal Subaru Legacy GT can be made to be like the Legacy STi in Japan. using a lot of the parts from STi or from the WRX STi. Can be pep to around 300bhp-320bhp wif no prob. Is tat a boy racer?

 

[wrx_sti_22b]

i thought owning a BMW/merc is considered a luxury vehicle..until i came to the UK and found out that more than half of the cars i see on the streets are BMWs/Mercs, and i see a M3/CLK/SLK every other day...:bsmilie:

They have MB S Class taxis. If you are talking abt London, yes, on the street a lot of expensive cars. AMG MB, RUF Porsche, Rolls Royce etc. The ppl in London are rich.

 

[wrx_sti_22b]

Volvo under what category? :dunno:

Swedish. :sweatsm:

 

[wrx_sti_22b]

Chevrolet Cruze.

So is that considered American or Korean?

:think: American Korean! :sweatsm:

 

[wrx_sti_22b]

Which category does the Nissan GT-R come under? Japanese Boy Racer?:devil:

:nono: Supercar. The average boy racer cannot afford a GT-R. :sweatsm:

The benchmark of an everyday supercar was the Porsche 911 Turbo... Until 2 yrs ago the R35 Nissan GT-R came along... it 'stung' the 911 Turbo badly... Achieving 7mins26sec around the Nurburgring Nordschleife circuit, the 911 Turbo's best effort was a thoroughly embarrassing 23 seconds slower. More badly 'stung' was 1 Porsche 911 Turbo can buy 2 Nissan GT-R with a bit of change left over.

The clever ATTESA ET-S 4WD system gives 50/50 drives ratio at speed below 50km/h, but in doing a 0-100km/h situation, it switches to 2/98 ratio. No other car do this, but it isn’t the straight-line speed that blows your socks off. It’s the sheer mechanical grip it exerts on the road and the way it absolutely slingshots you out of corners and onto the next straight. There is not another car that leeches the tarmac and fires you through the apex quite like the Nissan GT-R. Corners up to 2G. You wonder why the tyres doesn't get violently ripped off from the wheel...

It was tested every GT-R tat leaves the factory have more than 500bhp instead of the claimed 485bhp. When the car is at 3200rpm, it has 630Nm of torque on hand ready for your dispose.

Though Porsche has an updated 911 Turbo just out... Binning the old 3.6i Flat 6 twin turbo for new 3.8i Flat 6 twin turbo giving almost 500bhp, 25kg lighter, twin clutch 7 spd auto, revised software for its 4wd system and re-tuned dampers... It is still slower than the GT-R round Nurburgring Nordschleife circuit. 13sec slower. Improved 10sec :sweatsm:

The pesky Nissan GT-R is still faster almost everywhere. :devil:

 

[Burnings]

The normal Subaru Legacy GT can be made to be like the Legacy STi in Japan. using a lot of the parts from STi or from the WRX STi. Can be pep to around 300bhp-320bhp wif no prob. Is tat a boy racer?

Yes it is still a wagon... just like the EVO Wagon even if there is a B22 engine inside.

 

[Burnings]

:nono: Supercar. The average boy racer cannot afford a GT-R. :sweatsm:

Ermm...nothing to do with affordibility leh... it is purely genre based...

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Yes it is still a wagon... just like the EVO Wagon even if there is a B22 engine inside.

what about the Audi RS6, also wagon :think::bsmilie:

Saw one speed past me on ECP the other day, nice!! Major sleeper car I must say :thumbsup:

 

[wrx_sti_22b]

The Subaru Legacy i was referring to is 4 dr, as i see that more often, but wagon also can lah i guess, it might feel clumsier, not sure...

The Audi RS6, one look at the given 20" wheels, the brake caliper & the carbon disc, you know it means real business... Audi's most powerful car in their line up.

 

[allenleonhart]

emo. i still underaged. so no cars. but when i grow up i wanna buy old old car. and take out the insides put new new stuff.

gonna get the chevy impala 1967. fitted wiht the latests technology. note i have no idea abt car tech. i just like the chevy look lol

 

[+evenstar]

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Does this also mean the E-Class is mid-range since BMW 5 is mid-range?

i would consider an A-class budget range, E-class mid range and S-class luxury range..

 

[+evenstar]

They have MB S Class taxis. If you are talking abt London, yes, on the street a lot of expensive cars. AMG MB, RUF Porsche, Rolls Royce etc. The ppl in London are rich.

i've even seen Jag taxis in the small town i'm at :bsmilie:

 

[bousozoku]

emo. i still underaged. so no cars. but when i grow up i wanna buy old old car. and take out the insides put new new stuff.

gonna get the chevy impala 1967. fitted wiht the latests technology. note i have no idea abt car tech. i just like the chevy look lol

That's an interesting choice.

Start with replacing the steering and the brakes because it's as cooperative as a stubborn animal.

 

[Ian]

That's an interesting choice.

Start with replacing the steering and the brakes because it's as cooperative as a stubborn animal.

That's being way too kind about the Impala, even with brakes that sort of work and steering that allows the vehicle to more or less wobble around a corner there's nothing you can do about the weight overhang at each end that end ups with a whole new meaning for body roll.

Hmm but that comment also applies to the vast majority of other US developed vehicles over the last 60 or so years in the automotive graveyard that is the USA. Even the US
A's only legitimate supercar (the Fraud oops sorry, Ford F40) was mostly designed and tweeked in the UK and Germany.

Dr Ian's best fix method for any Chevie or US built/developed vehicle is around 2 litres of gas,(petrol) and a match... :devil:

 

[bousozoku]

That's being way too kind about the Impala, even with brakes that sort of work and steering that allows the vehicle to more or less wobble around a corner there's nothing you can do about the weight overhang at each end that end ups with a whole new meaning for body roll.

Hmm but that comment also applies to the vast majority of other US developed vehicles over the last 60 or so years in the automotive graveyard that is the USA. Even the US
A's only legitimate supercar (the Fraud oops sorry, Ford F40) was mostly designed and tweeked in the UK and Germany.

Dr Ian's best fix method for any Chevie or US built/developed vehicle is around 2 litres of gas,(petrol) and a match... :devil:

I'm not sure the U.S.A. ever needed its own supercar but the Dodge Viper was quite good at travelling long distances with a unique style for a touring car with the reflexes of a rough-and-ready sports car.

I haven't had a U.S. car since 1985--I'm on my fourth VW--but the level of U.S. vehicles is quite good these days, with the exception of anything from GM--Chevy/Chevrolet, Pontiac, Cadillac, Buick, or GMC. I don't understand how the Toyota Corolla and Matrix can be built in the same factory with their GM equivalents and be so much better and GM does nothing to improve.

However, 1960s GM vehicles were as good as most any other vehicle sold in the country. Italian and English (and sometimes, expensive German) vehicles were stopped on the side of the road by faulty electrics. Japanese vehicles weren't well made. It was a dismal time. If there were any bright spots, they would be Saab and Volvo.

 

[Ian]

I'm not sure the U.S.A. ever needed its own supercar but the Dodge Viper was quite good at travelling long distances with a unique style for a touring car with the reflexes of a rough-and-ready sports car.

I haven't had a U.S. car since 1985--I'm on my fourth VW--but the level of U.S. vehicles is quite good these days, with the exception of anything from GM--Chevy/Chevrolet, Pontiac, Cadillac, Buick, or GMC. I don't understand how the Toyota Corolla and Matrix can be built in the same factory with their GM equivalents and be so much better and GM does nothing to improve.

However, 1960s GM vehicles were as good as most any other vehicle sold in the country. Italian and English (and sometimes, expensive German) vehicles were stopped on the side of the road by faulty electrics. Japanese vehicles weren't well made. It was a dismal time. If there were any bright spots, they would be Saab and Volvo.

The US did produce one geunine honest to God supercar, the legendary Ford F40, but as noted by myself earlier, it was mostly developed outside of the USA. The Viper is a good looking car on paper, but driving one reveals it to be a one trick pony (I've driven a couple of them).

Back in the 60s there were some legendary european vehicles that hit the road, the infamous Aston Martins (DB5, DB6, DB7) the E-Type Jag, AC Cobra as well as the seriously fast offerings from the likes of Ferrari, Porsche with the 911 and so on. Hardly an automotive dark age methinks. In the meantime the Americans kept on with muscle cars (which really weren't much muscle at all, braked and cornered woefully, and spent as much time blown up as running).

In early 2008 I drove half a dozen new US vehicles while in the States and frankly there wasn't a decent vehicle amongst the lot. All were poor handling, had awful road manners and the interiors were frankly designed in hells kitchen by a 5yr old on acid (LSD). Cheap and very nasty is an accurate description. Japanese cars in the early 1970s had better interiors and that's not saying a whole lot.

I used to be a fan of American muscle cars and have owned a 69 Chevy Impala 427 V8 and also a '71 Mustang. In the past 30 years I've owned around 35 cars covering European, Japanese, Aussie and US Manufacturers and the US products have consistantly been the worst of the bunch. I've lost count of how many rentals I've driven, but several hundred different models randing from the horrible Suzuki Mighy Boy to a Rolls Royce Cornishe and all points in between.

Usually if GM is co-producing a model it will be downgraded somewhat in terms of quality as GM have always been a lowest price producer, second only to Ford USA which as most people know is an acronym for "Found On Rubbish Dump" while GM stands for Godawful Monstrosity :devil:

 

[bousozoku]

...
Back in the 60s there were some legendary european vehicles that hit the road, the infamous Aston Martins (DB5, DB6, DB7) the E-Type Jag, AC Cobra as well as the seriously fast offerings from the likes of Ferrari, Porsche with the 911 and so on. Hardly an automotive dark age methinks. In the meantime the Americans kept on with muscle cars (which really weren't much muscle at all, braked and cornered woefully, and spent as much time blown up as running).
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Usually if GM is co-producing a model it will be downgraded somewhat in terms of quality as GM have always been a lowest price producer, second only to Ford USA which as most people know is an acronym for "Found On Rubbish Dump" while GM stands for Godawful Monstrosity :devil:

Never heard that FORD. "Found on Road Dead" was quite frequently used here. Since their Ford Explorer was so prone to rollover, I thought that they should change to FORuD--"Found on Road Upside Down". I prefer "Generic Motors" for GM.

Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati--sidelined by Magneti Marelli electrics and Jaguar sidelined by Lucas electrics. I'm sure they were fun when they were working, though. :bsmilie:

 

[LazerLordz]

Never heard that FORD. "Found on Road Dead" was quite frequently used here. Since their Ford Explorer was so prone to rollover, I thought that they should change to FORuD--"Found on Road Upside Down". I prefer "Generic Motors" for GM.

Ferrari, Lamborghini, Maserati--sidelined by Magneti Marelli electrics and Jaguar sidelined by Lucas electrics. I'm sure they were fun when they were working, though. :bsmilie:

Ah yes, Maseratis.. Zagato-designed Biturbo Spyders were one of a kind. Reliability too. :sweat: