What Made you choose the Panasonic GF1 or Olympus Pen?


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I totally agree with your thoughts. I would have expect ppl to welcome the addition of GF1 into the M4/3 family instead of trying to put it down just because they think it might pose a thread to the E-P1 or E-P2? Like what alot of ppl said before me, they should complement each other, not kill each other.

We as M4/3 users should be happy that more cameras supporting the M4/3 format are released inregardless of brands. This will mean the format is becoming more popular and accepted. Most important for us is that the M4/3 go mainstream and once it does, it will means more choices of lenses for us and maybe even cheaper prices.

We choose which camera suits us most, it is the case of I can accept the disadvantages of this camera more compared to the disadvantages of the other one.

funny thing instead of welcoming it as an ally, it was been treated more as a unwanted stepchild/
classic case of the 吃不到葡萄說葡萄酸 if the gf1 is a flop , it wouldn't attract such animosity in the first place alas too bad even it receive less pushing from the local premium website for m4/3. Gf1 miracluously still manage to sell very well (unlike olympus m4/3 which hd a strong following of the existing 4/3 users who live and wean off their first oly dslr ). As a 4/3 user myself, i have often praised the 4/3 oly dslr for their intutative menu and their superb quality zuiko lenses to my friends using other systems despite some underlyng problem it had mainly with af and low light usability. i had at least find way and means to overcome the problems instead of lamenting.
The point is credit are to be given when is it due Was it really that damaging to give credit to an ally, who provide u the sensor and participate in this 4/3 venture where others dun dare?
 

My experience with Panasonic has been quite the opposite. To those who said that their Leica lenses are great, I have to disagree... they were great once.

:(

Leica lenses are very expensive and although badged as such on the Pana compacts, I never expected much. Leicas were never known for being sharper than the other brands. They have this quality of capturing the mood and feel better, whether it's colours or shadow detail.

When Panasonic announced their first Pana camera, a compact, I thought it was a joke. But with a Leica badged lens, I figured it could not be that bad. My first Pana was a FX07 (I think). Noisy as it is, the colours were good, saturated and punchy. It was also quite intuitive.

So I guess that Pana needed Leica to help its credibility and Leica was willing. Now that Pana is an established player in photo equipment, let's see how good they can realy be, Leica or not.
 

I guess its a love hate relationship. Some love the E-P1 because pictures are better,some love GF1 because the flash and video is better,everything has its pros and cons,so I guess give and take
 

I totally agree with your thoughts. I would have expect ppl to welcome the addition of GF1 into the M4/3 family instead of trying to put it down just because they think it might pose a thread to the E-P1 or E-P2? Like what alot of ppl said before me, they should complement each other, not kill each other.

We as M4/3 users should be happy that more cameras supporting the M4/3 format are released inregardless of brands. This will mean the format is becoming more popular and accepted. Most important for us is that the M4/3 go mainstream and once it does, it will means more choices of lenses for us and maybe even cheaper prices.

We choose which camera suits us most, it is the case of I can accept the disadvantages of this camera more compared to the disadvantages of the other one.

Agree, instead of comparing. We should treat it as an selection options for different ppl.

(If money allow, I wish I could get both :bsmilie:)

Afterall, we should be happy and welcome more and more m4/3 cameras from different brands. =D
That proves the m4/3 popularity for those who said "I do not look good for m4/3".
 

Hi I like to share my reason why I buy a GF1 instead of the beautiful Pen to combine with my Dlux 4 for travelling purpose.

When I choose a camera, I would always look at the disadvantage first and then the advantage. I will weight the disadvantage and then decide.

I felt that the disadvantage will always have a bigger impact on the user than the advantage.

Coming back to my choice, at that time it was only EP1 and GF1. IF you look at the disadvantage of the both camera you will notice that the disadvantage of the either camera is the advantage of the other! Maybe this is what the manufacturer have wanted it all along buy both if you cannot decide.:bsmilie:

Finally, I choose the GF1 over the EP1, because the disadvantage of GF1 did not impact on me too much, I prefer to shoot in B&W, the Jpeg color tone does not bother me; even if I shoot in color it will be raw and process in Lightroom and color eflex. The ergonomics and feel of the camera looks like the big brother of LX3 since I own the DLux 4, I am have no problem with it.

The slow focus in low light is minus for me. Without the fill flash is also a minus for me as I do not want to carry too much accessories.

With this in mind I choose the GF1. I am happy with it.


Alvin



That's a smart way to make a decision.


I bought my EP1 after the launch of EP2. I didn't need the flash , I didn't need the EVF so it was EP1 for me.


I agree more players into the m43 the better, I hope Samsung and Fuji will join in soon.
 

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I bought the GF-1 and EP-1 and ending up keeping the EP-1 and selling the GF-1 to my brother-n-law, here are my reasons:

Flash. The GF-1s flash was a selling point for me, but unfortunately was short on performance. The flash is too weak to use in most situations with the exception of adding a little fill flash. While the ep-1 lacks flash, the high ISO performace on the ep-1 is better and IMHO combined with IBS makes the camera a bit more versitle.

LCD - this is a matter of preference. The panasonic is much sharper, but the olympus LCD is easier to see in bright light, has a wider viewing angle and is a bit more color/hue accurate.

OOC jpegs - this is has been beat to death, and to be honest I felt that the IQ of the GF-1 was stunning, that being said the EP-1 is a wysiwyg camera and that means less time in front of the pc and more time shooting. I did like the GF-1 colors which I think are just as good as the EP-1 albeit different in hue. The Olympus produces some of the best skin tones I have ever seen.

IBS. I believe in lens stabilization is still better, but IBS + a fast prime equals low light shooting heaven.

Both cameras are uncomfortable to hold, but the ep-1 has a better grip even though better doesn't equal great.

Art filters. They are slow as heck, but the pinhole and b&w grainy filters are simply stunning. The dynamic b&w on the gf-1 is also stunning, but I have to give a little xtra credit to Olympus.

Style - pretty much a subjective thing, both cameras are very attractive.

Focus - The gf-1 is faster, but only marginally so, not enough to sway me in one direction or the other.

I wish the ep-1 had the gf-1s optional viewfinder and IMHO better menu system, but other than that the ep-1 delivers some of the best images I have ever seen out of camera. A take everywhere body with no need to PP images equals more time enjoying what I love best: Taking Pictures !
 

I bought the GF-1 and EP-1 and ending up keeping the EP-1 and selling the GF-1 to my brother-n-law, here are my reasons:

Flash. The GF-1s flash was a selling point for me, but unfortunately was short on performance. The flash is too weak to use in most situations with the exception of adding a little fill flash. While the ep-1 lacks flash, the high ISO performace on the ep-1 is better and IMHO combined with IBS makes the camera a bit more versitle.

LCD - this is a matter of preference. The panasonic is much sharper, but the olympus LCD is easier to see in bright light, has a wider viewing angle and is a bit more color/hue accurate.

OOC jpegs - this is has been beat to death, and to be honest I felt that the IQ of the GF-1 was stunning, that being said the EP-1 is a wysiwyg camera and that means less time in front of the pc and more time shooting. I did like the GF-1 colors which I think are just as good as the EP-1 albeit different in hue. The Olympus produces some of the best skin tones I have ever seen.

IBS. I believe in lens stabilization is still better, but IBS + a fast prime equals low light shooting heaven.

Both cameras are uncomfortable to hold, but the ep-1 has a better grip even though better doesn't equal great.

Art filters. They are slow as heck, but the pinhole and b&w grainy filters are simply stunning. The dynamic b&w on the gf-1 is also stunning, but I have to give a little xtra credit to Olympus.

Style - pretty much a subjective thing, both cameras are very attractive.

Focus - The gf-1 is faster, but only marginally so, not enough to sway me in one direction or the other.

I wish the ep-1 had the gf-1s optional viewfinder and IMHO better menu system, but other than that the ep-1 delivers some of the best images I have ever seen out of camera. A take everywhere body with no need to PP images equals more time enjoying what I love best: Taking Pictures !


Can you provide some comparison shots for both Cameras? I think alot of us here would like to see the same pic side by side and make our own judgements. Let pics do the talking. Thks in advance. :D
 

Key reasons why I chose the E-P1:

1) OOC Jpegs. It had an 'oomph' factor that was lacking in the GF1.

2) IBS.

3) Handling & Ergonomics. Somehow it felt easier fiddling with the E-P1 when I was trying out both cameras.

4) Art filters. I thought this was lame until I tried it. Pinhole is now one of the most commonly used modes when I shoot portraits.

5) It looks way sexier than the GF1.


I felt the key advantage of the GF1 is the 20mm f1.7 lens, but then again you can use that with the E-P1 ;)
 

Key reasons why I chose the E-P1:

1) OOC Jpegs. It had an 'oomph' factor that was lacking in the GF1.

2) IBS.

3) Handling & Ergonomics. Somehow it felt easier fiddling with the E-P1 when I was trying out both cameras.

4) Art filters. I thought this was lame until I tried it. Pinhole is now one of the most commonly used modes when I shoot portraits.

5) It looks way sexier than the GF1.


I felt the key advantage of the GF1 is the 20mm f1.7 lens, but then again you can use that with the E-P1 ;)
Whats OOC?
 

I think it's not so much as overlooking the pros and cons, but rather, to be objective about things. An example I can give you on this thread has to do with some discussion on Samsung's yet to be release m43 cam. Some people are already laughing at it before even seeing a sample cam. If that isn't bashing, then a lot of other posts considered bashing shouldn't be considered so.

The difference can be called when one is a beta tester? Give that a thought. For that is the difference. I have no time to follow up on this but all I had to say has been said.

Like drakon09 put it, which I agree, a lot of things are personal preference which I have stated. I did not bash Panasonic and write them off completely. They have their strength as well and I appreciate them for that.

eow, if sales figures are what that matters... or selling well, then really, Canon simply makes the best cameras. Period. I don't see your point as being valid at all. I thought I share my point of view. I can be wrong though, of course.

At the end of the day, I share my opinion on how I felt on why the Pen is mightier than the GirlFriend. Nothing anyone say can change that. I shoot the way I shoot. Period. Full stop. That's it.

You can disagree, you can have your own opinion and if you are a happier shooter shooting on Panny cameras, please, by all means, buy Panasonic! Really... for the truth is, if you are really a part of this photography community, would know, that I care more about pictures than cameras.

So please, we are just sharing our opinion. If it works for you, please, it works for you.

One like Maserati, and the other likes Lamborgini, who is the better driver with the better lap times? It is all personal.

Good day everyone. ;)
 

eow, if sales figures are what that matters... or selling well, then really, Canon simply makes the best cameras. Period. I don't see your point as being valid at all. I thought I share my point of view. I can be wrong though, of course.

No, u are not wrong on that, bro. I agree with you that sales figures, especially for things like cameras, are totally not a good measure of how good the camera is. Sales, is often a function of marketing. The more you throw money into marketing, the more visible, and the more sales u get. Or if u sell mass market stuff. The more mass market u are, eg VW or Toyota, the more sales u are gonna get. Porsche builds fantastic cars, but they are never going to be the #1 car maker of the world. On the other hand, Toyota sells a bunch of mass market cars, including a ton of Corollas, Estimas etc etc. Most people can safely say that there are no cars made by Toyota that can beat cars made by Porsche, but yet, Toyotas are the #1 car maker of the world.

Of course, putting marketing money not always successful. For eg, Olympus, after so many years, cannot still market the 4/3 standard well....well....here is where we stand...misunderstood. But if u are like Canon, market so well, until can convince the whole world, or nearly the whole word, that their 135mm sized digital sensor is called "Full Frame", pulling that word "Full Frame" from out of nowwhere (when the first introduced it, it was tentatively and always in " ")....they really are geniuses. Now FULL FRAME appears without " ", and is considered the bible truth that 135mm IS Full Frame.

Well, hopefully, over the next few years, Oly marketing may become more effective. Because, I am still challenged by this 4/3 standard although I have been a user for some time. But perhaps, all this techno talk is quite irrelevant and is just a way for photographers to pass time and ward off their boredom. Why? Because, no matter what tests we do, we we compare sensor performances etc and etc, at the very very end of the day, it is the picture that counts, and all the other test results are totally moot.

BUT, I did learn something though by going thru the 4/3 website again. Hope you all can bear with me on this :
The 4/3 standard is really a digital full frame standard. There is actually some history / melancholy in this standard. Firstly, the sensor is half the size of the 135 mm film format. I din realize that. This is significant because the wildly successful PEN also had a film format that was half of the 135 mm format.
Secondly, this 4/3 format allowed a simple method for calculating the FOV based on the 135 mm format - ie. multiplication factor of 2x. Unfortunately, to the uneducated, this is considered a crop factor of 2 x. Sigh....
Lastly and most importantly, this is a system that emphasizes the lens OVER the body or the digital sensor. In a way, this is a future proof philosophy. To really understand what Olympus was doing, you had to be an expert in optics. I think, Olympus, being a world class optical company, realized that the limiting factor in camera design was actually the GLASS and not the digital sensor. They probably were aware that in 10-20 years, they do not see lens technology increasing by any large measure. After all, glass is glass and how many which ways can u grind glass or arrange them together? On the other hand, digital sensor technology is advancing every 3-5 years, much like the computer chips. I suppose, and this is just my interpretation, that they were able to see that with time, the digital sensors would get smaller and smaller in size, and at the same time, become more and more effective. This would mean that the so called Canon "full frame" sensors, would one day be obsolete, not because they become less capable, but people will refuse to carry such large cameras in-lieu of smaller cameras that can deliver what they require and more!

Sorry guys if this is not new to you, but this is a new epiphany for me. The more I understand the 4/3 philosophy, the more I respect the wisdom of this company, and the more I feel that they should get my buying dollar than a company that panders and encourages the mindless mass-market consumerism that we see around us. Of course, having a good philosophy is just one aspect of it...the other aspect is of course execution and good corporate governance. You can have the best idea, but if u do not execute it well, all goes to nothing anyways. But whatever, for now, and for this vision, they still got my vote. And although I ooh and ahh everytime I see a big D3 or a 1DsMarkIII, I will never covert them cos I know I will never take these cameras out, unless I am a working photographer.

Sorry, this might seem off-topic, but in a way, it is not. In a long-winded way, I suppose I am answering the TS's question on why I choose the PEN over the Sonic, or more rightly, Olympus over Panasonic, or actually, over the other camera brands. U really really, have to give credit to Olympus for developing that kind of incisive vision on photography. NONE of the other camera brands have that. But at this present time, the marketing of the other brands helps them make up for it, by clouding the vision of the consumers with megapixels and sensor size. In a way, this is really effective because we humans, as simpletons, very easy for us to understand "big is better, more is better" concept. This simple concept is just used so effectively that nearly the world world is conned. Olympus on the other hand, din buy into this "big is better, more is better" concept, obviously....so they lose market share. But perhaps "More is NOT better, and BIG is NOT better". Perhaps the truth is really, "LESS IS BETTER".

At this time, I truely believe that the m4/3 system with the mirrorless system, is the future of digital photography. It is something that I can see myself using. As it is, I am oh so happy with the 5MP of the E1. I am already more than happy with the 10MP of the E3. I have been printing A4 photos from my 5MP C5050 jpegs, and they are still OK. Make them smaller and more stylish....this concept is totally sold! And again, u can see that Olympus is really going the opposite way to the other manufacturers, and then in a way, leading the field when the other manufacturers realize that that is the right way and have to turn around to follow. By cutting out the mirror, again, Olympus is again removing the excess. "LESS IS BETTER". Thinking about it, the mirror should be discarded. With digital sensors, live view technology, increasing battery powers, and increasing circuit efficiency, Olympus is right to remove it. It does not serve any purpose other than a redundant peice of material. And do u realize that without an OVF, what are the possibilities of WYSIWYG? It will be way more than what OVF can do for us. I am not going to say it, but I am sure that Olympus has a bag of tricks with EVF up its sleeve.
 

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I totally agree with your thoughts. I would have expect ppl to welcome the addition of GF1 into the M4/3 family instead of trying to put it down just because they think it might pose a thread to the E-P1 or E-P2? Like what alot of ppl said before me, they should complement each other, not kill each other.

We as M4/3 users should be happy that more cameras supporting the M4/3 format are released inregardless of brands. This will mean the format is becoming more popular and accepted. Most important for us is that the M4/3 go mainstream and once it does, it will means more choices of lenses for us and maybe even cheaper prices.

We choose which camera suits us most, it is the case of I can accept the disadvantages of this camera more compared to the disadvantages of the other one.

I hv to agree. I m a C user. I got the GF-1 and may add more lens in the future. I do see myself getting the future "EP-3 or GF-2" if the spec is good and still can use the m4/3 lens I purchased. From the development, I do believe something revolutional will come frm these 2 companies. I m more interested in the m4/3 system than comparing the 2 brands.
 

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BUT, I did learn something though by going thru the 4/3 website again. Hope you all can bear with me on this :
The 4/3 standard is really a digital full frame standard. There is actually some history / melancholy in this standard. Firstly, the sensor is half the size of the 135 mm film format. I din realize that. This is significant because the wildly successful PEN also had a film format that was half of the 135 mm format.

err, i don't mean to nitpick, isnt the 4/3 sensor approx 28% the area of a 135 film format? :think:

4/3 sensor is 18mmx13.5mm (243mm sq) whereas 135 format is 36mmx24mm (864mm sq). :)
 

the digital sensors would get smaller and smaller in size, and at the same time, become more and more effective. This would mean that the so called Canon "full frame" sensors, would one day be obsolete, not because they become less capable, but people will refuse to carry such large cameras in-lieu of smaller cameras that can deliver what they require and more!

I seldom post, but I have to say that I'm totally agreed with your view. Well said.
In fact, it's obvious that people are started to appreciate the size and weight of m4/3 cameras. :D
 

well ... there will still be ppl buying Benz and there will still ppl buying bmw .....

Most important .... you are happy with it and start enjoying your buy ...

your life is not controlled by what other ppl views ....

All of us eat the same chicken rice ..... but come out with a different view ...

go find out for yourself and be happy ....

:):)
 

Full frame = more surface area to collect dust = more money spent on cleaning the sensor. LOL
 

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