What exactly is the good thing 'bout FF?

[calebk]

I dug up some old samples of flash photography and producing natural looking results, that simulate ambient light conditions. Here's one:

This one used a flash off camera, triggered by another flash on camera. However, you can also just bounce the flash off a wall to your right, or something, to achieve a similar result.​

 

[ricleo]

I'm quite surprised. High ISO files from the 1Ds is actually quite useable. Good to A4.

Bigger size.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/arkitecture/3159375701/sizes/o/in/set-72157603111817854/

always liked your architecture work Kit, can't seem to veiw the bigger size as the flickr page was set as private.

Full frame cameras definitely better for architecture work as well, since that is the only option to use canon's TS lens at their intended focal lengths.

 

[KY1977]

I dug up some old samples of flash photography and producing natural looking results, that simulate ambient light conditions. Here's one:

This one used a flash off camera, triggered by another flash on camera. However, you can also just bounce the flash off a wall to your right, or something, to achieve a similar result.​

The wedding example may be a bit hard to do similar effect as the ceiling is probably the only surface you are reflect. Good example though. Anyway, we seem to be getting OOT.

 

[twnll]

cool! maybe we can meet up over the weekend and have a lowlight shooting session for some real world shots for comparison instead of some boring shots of a book cabinet or something in the house haha.... pm for further discussion

How about a shootout: my 1Ds, yr 5D2 and 7D, 50D (?), 500D (?), etc...:bigeyes:

 

[Kit]

always liked your architecture work Kit, can't seem to veiw the bigger size as the flickr page was set as private.

Full frame cameras definitely better for architecture work as well, since that is the only option to use canon's TS lens at their intended focal lengths.

Thanks. I'll have the bigger version here.

Yes for specialised lenses, it doesn't seems like there are other choices except FF.

 

[ricleo]

How about a shootout: my 1Ds, yr 5D2 and 7D, 50D (?), 500D (?), etc...:bigeyes:

i can definitely bring both my 5d2 + 7d. 500D a friend of mine has one, 50D, I already sold mine...so not available unless you have one too.

 

[kiwi2]

The wedding example may be a bit hard to do similar effect as the ceiling is probably the only surface you are reflect. Good example though. Anyway, we seem to be getting OOT.

I agree with you.

The 2 wedding photo posted by Kimazura are a good comparison of the use of flash vs no-flash, ambient lighting using high ISO.

Whoever says they can shoot the 2nd example at lower ISO and flash, please show me (or us) the setup. It's not about clever use of flash as some said earlier. I don't know how many flashes you have to use to achieve the same effect and in any case, it's not at all practical in a wedding setting.

The use of flash in a small enclosed place to achieve "natural lighting" effect is not a fair comparison. It's far easier to achieve that.

 

[kimazuru]

In most cases, in my own opinion, I also prefer non-flash exposures to flash exposures, however you need to learn how to use flash to provide fill in light as well to eliminate shadows that appear on your subject's face under the eyesockets/nose/cheeks. I think your image looks better than your friend's one in these examples posted as well, but only because your friend did not expose for the background properly. I would say that lighting is different as well since you were shooting towards the stage where lighting is better, while your friend is shooting from the front of the couple towards the back of the banquet hall which will tend to have poorer lighting.

Flash when bounced and difused properly only helps to improve your exposure and add to the image. You just need to learn how to expose for the background properly as well.

I know what you're referring to.
Using flash to compensate the effects created by the natural light such as shadows;
But perhaps i'm not born with a professional eyes.
In my humble opinion, i think that it is the natural lightning that gives the subject a sense of belonging to the background, even with the shadows casted below the nose and stuff, i still like it =D
But of course i've no rights to say flash can't create effects like this,
Because i'm not a flash user, i'll try to learn =D
Below is 2 examples of me shooting with flash and without.
I set to ETTL cause i don't know how to set the settings.

With flash

Without flash

I do admit the one without flash is quite terribly done because the shadow is obviously covering the subject face too much. )=

My Flickr

 

[kimazuru]

I agree with you.

The 2 wedding photo posted by Kimazura are a good comparison of the use of flash vs no-flash, ambient lighting using high ISO.

Whoever says they can shoot the 2nd example at lower ISO and flash, please show me (or us) the setup. It's not about clever use of flash as some said earlier. I don't know how many flashes you have to use to achieve the same effect and in any case, it's not at all practical in a wedding setting.

The use of flash in a small enclosed place to achieve "natural lighting" effect is not a fair comparison. It's far easier to achieve that.

But i guess so far, I do agree that learning flash is a important task for all photographer.
But being able to shoot at high ISO is a must(at least to me) whereby there are situations you can do much better photos without flash

 

[kimazuru]

The wedding example may be a bit hard to do similar effect as the ceiling is probably the only surface you are reflect. Good example though. Anyway, we seem to be getting OOT.

I like that shot. It makes me feel lazy too. *yawnz*

 

[kimazuru]

I'm quite surprised. High ISO files from the 1Ds is actually quite useable. Good to A4.

Bigger size.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/arkitecture/3159375701/sizes/o/in/set-72157603111817854/

Are you a exterior or interior designer? or perhaps interest?
haha cause i think your photos have a sense of exterior designer feel.
A pro one...They are either clean and neat, contrasty or strong in texture.
Maybe i should try those shots someday.

 

[ricleo]

But i guess so far, I do agree that learning flash is a important task for all photographer.
But being able to shoot at high ISO is a must(at least to me) whereby there are situations you can do much better photos without flash

good 2nd example of your flash vs non-flash exposures, I think different lens was used for the shots. For the flash exposure, a small aperture and lower iso was used compared to the non-flash, where high iso and large aperture was used.

to get the ambient light when using flash, try using the flash coupled with high iso and a large aperture, and if possible, bounce the flash on a bounce card. Even without a ceiling, a bounce card will help to diffuse the lighting a little. Others choose to use products like the Garyfong lightsphere, i prefer the bounce card.

shall post a quick example. No celling, dark ambient lighting in the marina oriental. bounce flash, high iso (3200), F2.8. Shot while walking backwards together with the bride/groom. Not a technically/artisticly good shot, but just an example to show you can retain the background ambient lighting when flash is used.

(noted that this is a preview/small image size resized by picassa web albums and not a properly resized/sharpened for web version, so the sharpness seems a little off.)

 

[Kit]

Are you a exterior or interior designer? or perhaps interest?
haha cause i think your photos have a sense of exterior designer feel.
A pro one...They are either clean and neat, contrasty or strong in texture.
Maybe i should try those shots someday.

I'm an architect so yeah, I design exteriors in that sense.

 

[kimazuru]

good 2nd example of your flash vs non-flash exposures, I think different lens was used for the shots. For the flash exposure, a small aperture and lower iso was used compared to the non-flash, where high iso and large aperture was used.

to get the ambient light when using flash, try using the flash coupled with high iso and a large aperture, and if possible, bounce the flash on a bounce card. Even without a ceiling, a bounce card will help to diffuse the lighting a little. Others choose to use products like the Garyfong lightsphere, i prefer the bounce card.

shall post a quick example. No celling, dark ambient lighting in the marina oriental. bounce flash, high iso (3200), F2.8. Shot while walking backwards together with the bride/groom. Not a technically/artisticly good shot, but just an example to show you can retain the background ambient lighting when flash is used.

(noted that this is a preview/small image size resized by picassa web albums and not a properly resized/sharpened for web version, so the sharpness seems a little off.)

Whao. That's taken with a flash? that's nice.
I think that picture was good. Brings out a motion movement that the couple is walking.
Just a little shaky
Anyway you mention bout ISO 3200 -.-
If i've yet to sell 450D
ISO 1600 would already kill me.haha

Anyway my 2 shots were taken with same lens, 85 f1.2
With flash taken at F8, 1/200, ISO 800
Without flash taken at F1.2, 1/125, ISO 800 also.
I think i showed a wrong example of high ISO...
-.-

But one thing i'm sure is that the 1Ds is a stunning series...

 

[ricleo]

Whao. That's taken with a flash? that's nice.
I think that picture was good. Brings out a motion movement that the couple is walking.
Just a little shaky
Anyway you mention bout ISO 3200 -.-
If i've yet to sell 450D
ISO 1600 would already kill me.haha

Anyway my 2 shots were taken with same lens, 85 f1.2
With flash taken at F8, 1/200, ISO 800
Without flash taken at F1.2, 1/125, ISO 800 also.
I think i showed a wrong example of high ISO...
-.-

But one thing i'm sure is that the 1Ds is a stunning series...

no doubt 1D series are stunning series, you get what you pay for.

85 1.2L,stunning lens as well haha..stunning price too

try shooting your flash shot at F1.2 as well, you will find the ambient light to be there using the same iso.

 

[kimazuru]

I'm an architect so yeah, I design exteriors in that sense.

Your picture tells that you love your job.
Must be leading a great life.
You shoot what you like.
You do what you love.

I think if i were to do so...
i would shooting shooting students,books,white/black boards, classrooms... LOL

 

[kimazuru]

no doubt 1D series are stunning series, you get what you pay for.

85 1.2L,stunning lens as well haha..stunning price too

try shooting your flash shot at F1.2 as well, you will find the ambient light to be there using the same iso.

Thanks alot.
I'll start to hands on flash more often.
lols =D

 

[Kit]

Your picture tells that you love your job.
Must be leading a great life.
You shoot what you like.
You do what you love.

I think if i were to do so...
i would shooting shooting students,books,white/black boards, classrooms... LOL

Ermm....... I don't really enjoy working as an architect. That's why I turned to taking photos and I do not necessarily like what I shoot. I take greater pleasure in taking good photos of badly designed buildings than designing them.

 

[kimazuru]

Ermm....... I don't really enjoy working as an architect. That's why I turned to taking photos and I do not necessarily like what I shoot. I take greater pleasure in taking good photos of badly designed buildings than designing them.

Is it?
You picked your career path as architect not because you like your job?
or maybe your passion for photography is greater den designing...
Ya taking good photos are sensational.
Right at where i stay, bukit panjang.
there're 2 eagles hunting prays over the reservoir, 2 wild monkeys staying at the park beside it. 3 different size komodo dragons. And i've manage to shoot none. When i bring my equip out to hunt. They all sleeping at home. When i randomly happen to walk pass. Chicken butt they all come out. Zzz

Anyway maybe i should get myself a 5D 1st. Good idea?

 

[ricleo]

Is it?
You picked your career path as architect not because you like your job?
or maybe your passion for photography is greater den designing...
Ya taking good photos are sensational.
Right at where i stay, bukit panjang.
there're 2 eagles hunting prays over the reservoir, 2 wild monkeys staying at the park beside it. 3 different size komodo dragons. And i've manage to shoot none. When i bring my equip out to hunt. They all sleeping at home. When i randomly happen to walk pass. Chicken butt they all come out. Zzz

Anyway maybe i should get myself a 5D 1st. Good idea?

when you get the 5D, you will miss the reach of your 70-200 as you will find the eagles/monkeys/komodo dragons appearing smaller on your image on the 5D.