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why don't you show us this place you're talking about so we can see for ourselves?:sweat:
hahahaha, it is very interesting that this war of CS spread through the Web and CSers conquer them all. :devil:
why don't you show us this place you're talking about so we can see for ourselves?:sweat:
I see a little bit of "herd mentality" at play here.
Sure there will be opposing view somewhere else, just as there will be consensus.
As i said he should show us this place he mentioned and we can see for ourselves. Prehaps the members there are more eloquent and are able to better articulate the pov that he is advocating.
Can I summarise to say that it is now your position that being a professional photographer is no longer a required status before critiques can be given.
It is now your position that possession of a good portfolio or a good track record of good critiques is necessary before his critique would be deemed worthy.
Do note Deadpoet's comment here:
"All said, there is a common trap. If the critic has built a name for himself/herself, we frequent will defer to him/her, and take his/hers words for granted. This is very dangerous and counter productive!"
hahahaha, it is very interesting that this war of CS spread through the Web and CSers conquer them all. :devil:
Finally, a 180 degree reversal.
As i said he should show us this place he mentioned and we can see for ourselves. Prehaps the members there are more eloquent and are able to better articulate the pov that he is advocating.
ok..ok... Fair play... lets go there..... here got group bullying leh....:bsmilie:
Why are we seeking critiques/opinions for our pictures?
When we make a photo, it is suppose to be in our liking or taste. Asking others photographers for comments, it is almost certain we will receive opposing views from them simply because they have their own styles and tastes which are different from our own. Is it we are seeking critiques to improve or to acquire techniques so that we can make pictures that appeal to the mass? In this sense ,will we end up as another clone photographer?
Therefore my Questions:
Why are we seeking critiques/opinions for our pictures?
What are good critiques, and how do I identify the genuine from the fake?
My personal view:
A good critique is one that makes me realise my own mistakes when I think the picture I make is already good. It also stirs the creativity bits in you and leads you to create your own style eventually.
It is my own duty to identify these points, I do not require the critiques giver to show me his/her qualification or prove his/her merit.
I also feel that, asking for qualification is akin to saying, I cannot accept someone supposing of lower standard to show me the path to achieve divine enlightenment.
Well he's conveniently ignoring our points.
I'll take it that he's still choosing to be entrenched in his POV then notwithstanding the robust rebuttals made. That's quite sad given the elitism but at least its enlightening to note that he's one of the few professionals who love to wave qualifications around.
Thankfully not all professionals are liek thisMaybe as you said, he is a businessman, everything done is to promote business and that professionals are superior to hobbyists.
In God we trust, but the rest -- Papers, Portfolio or Cash !! :bsmilie: :bsmilie:
That's still my stand :thumbsup:
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May be the next time when you post you should say "Only those who has an online public portfolio may comment".:bsmilie:
Eikin:
Nope, I am not trying to start a flame war, it has never cross my mind.:nono:
Clubsnap is a nice place to visit after all and you are a good guy
Wow, you could have fooled many here, its pretty obvious you've been flaming for quite a few posts already.
I did not read about the many debates on issues about critique corner, this may be due to my selective reading.
I do not think that critique corner is badly run either, in fact I find it educational at most times.
OK, I can believe that, but then, look what happened next...
As for the rules, I find that there is too many red tapes.
I feel that as long the poster is courteous and respect the community, he or she could use whatever appropriate terms to express his/her thoughts and feelings.
Nice squeeze of an attempt at smoothing out the edges of your dissatisfaction with the way things are run here...oh wow, you actually respect the community?
Since we are not comfortable with this sub-line, lets stop it here.![]()
Robust rebuttal? Wow, you seem entrenched in your own self-love and elitism, its what I see you practicing here.
Are you a business competitor of Enchanted here? Because it sure looks like you are trying to tear him down without much effect of course, but based on your supposed knowledge and judgement of the business situation and its attitudes, you seemed to be proving yourself to be so. Let your bitterness go, whatever that may be, or it'll kill your creativity you need.
There are obviously individuals who are seeking commercial/business vengeance in CS, especially in this thread, posing as genuine contributors to threads, but actually creating chaos and malice in this environment. Its sad to see some genuine members who did not exercise better judgement and partake of this blood feast. Its pretty obvious from this threads, that some people change identity dishonorably here:
Note change of name
Note change of name
Smurfman = Fotoudavid ??!!
IMHO, I think somebody should put a stop to this by an investigation or lock this thread.
I will be uncovering more from my own research.
And why would I do that? There are more eloquent members here in CS who are not participating in this thread, you aren't the best here like you make yourselves out to be, pleaseDon't flatter yourselves lah
You are not qualified as bullies, for neither I nor Enchanted have fear of you, as can be seen openly here, we are just being nice and don't wana waste time and effort in such childish squabbles.![]()