skeletonman
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why bother? Choose what you like and shoot.
I use Oly and why? Cos I just like the way it is.
I use Oly and why? Cos I just like the way it is.
what are e things & functions that a full fledge dslr can do while our m4/3 can't?
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E3 got no kit lense unless you say it is 12-60mm SWD (steroid tuned for E3)
microcosm
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I think many has spoken enough in this thread. Cheers.
Well, look at the images produced by the camera in the threads for image samples. I don't see in what way another similar sized system can produce better or worse images. It is in the hands of the photographer.
I think great images can be captured with humble cameras.
Since tategoi mentioned better quality, I am assuming he means better resolution, lower high ISO etc, then the FF will out resolve the 4/3 & M4/3 sensors.
microcosm
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Hey hey hey, was accessing the internet from a coffeeshop a few days back... but now I am wired! Heehee... these guys in China are efficient... they installed on New Year's Day! Kudos to their working attitude.
This argument has gone on forever... and my friend, I shoot medium format cameras, and to me, for DSLR 35mm full frame that have yet to yield corner to corner sharpness, that platform is totally crap. I will shoot a 645 format anytime. So you see, my reply simply put down 135 format (which 645 camera bodies do handle like DSLR) so this argument will never cease and no one is right or wrong. If you like 135 format full frame, this section of the forums is not where you should belong. There is Nikon, Canon, and Sony. You might want to hang out there.
As far as I am concerned, what 4/3 and m4/3 can yield in image quality is enough for smaller prints, and if I need to pixel peep, there is always the larger sensor cameras. 135 format full frame is NOT ideal because it has yet to be able to yield a corner to corner sharpness image when shot wide open (please prove me wrong).
So, I hope this answers silly questions... it is like "How come Toyota can never create a Vios that has the same acceleration as a Ferrari 535? Both also car what..." I hope this shows you how silly it is to make comparisons to a TOTALLY DIFFERENT PLATFORM.
nightpiper
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It got me thinking... Many equates low noise = hi IQ. How does one linked noise alone to good IQ? I can understand if its referred to P&S cos the images have a fuzzy look. Its like saying a lens sharpness is all thats needed to judge its IQ.
So comparing large sensor vs large sensor:
Colour not good = software tweaking = Good IQ
Noise higher than Brand X = software NR = No good IQ
Brand X lower noise due to aggressive NR in cam = loss & smudgy details = Good IQ
How shud we go about such logic? :think: Dun get me wrong, i'm not bashing anyone or any brand, juz want to get the brain thinking in another perspective.
Anyway, coming back to the main topic, i guess the only thing i find missing in the 4/3 or u4/3 wud be the F1.2/1.4 creamy look on a FF DSLR. Subject isolation is really :thumbsup: However this is more of a physical limitation of the format itself than anything else. Its like "How come i can shoot landscape with a 6x7 MF at F22 but 135 not ideal becos of diffraction?" So maybe Oly can make another statement to the world with a 54mm u4/3 F0.75 prime lens & its a macro! :lovegrin::lovegrin:
Another obvious function that u4/3 can't do wud be.... Drum roll please......
NO MIRROR LOCKUP!!! HAHAHAHA!!!
(quickly run away to hide)
So comparing large sensor vs large sensor:
Colour not good = software tweaking = Good IQ
Noise higher than Brand X = software NR = No good IQ
Brand X lower noise due to aggressive NR in cam = loss & smudgy details = Good IQ
How shud we go about such logic? :think: Dun get me wrong, i'm not bashing anyone or any brand, juz want to get the brain thinking in another perspective.
Anyway, coming back to the main topic, i guess the only thing i find missing in the 4/3 or u4/3 wud be the F1.2/1.4 creamy look on a FF DSLR. Subject isolation is really :thumbsup: However this is more of a physical limitation of the format itself than anything else. Its like "How come i can shoot landscape with a 6x7 MF at F22 but 135 not ideal becos of diffraction?" So maybe Oly can make another statement to the world with a 54mm u4/3 F0.75 prime lens & its a macro! :lovegrin::lovegrin:
Another obvious function that u4/3 can't do wud be.... Drum roll please......
NO MIRROR LOCKUP!!! HAHAHAHA!!!
(quickly run away to hide)
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microcosm
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Well, it boils down to what works for you. Even when I do get the Leica S2 (pending approval), it does not mean I have the king of all cameras (other than the freaking price tag). I will still use the m43 and 4/3 cameras when I am out there shooting street.
It only says this : Whatever works for you.
Technically, there are too many scenarios in the real shooting world, and different situations require different solutions.
That is why I get rather turned off with questions like "why is this better than that"... If one really bothers to understand photography first, then the questions are answered... from Point and Shoot to insanely expensive 8x10 large format cameras, everything was created for a reason.
So is Olympus going to release a pan, tilt and shift lens? Sigh... nightpiper... I think you understand my frustration...
microcosm
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By the way bro, the best camera has to be Noise Ninja... why? It eliminates all noise. Duh...
nightpiper
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Well u can use the king of all cam to smash someone's head, Can't do that with the Pen, not really mightier than the sword. HAHAHAHA!!!
T&S... Oly wud probably reserve it for the full 4/3 & u use the adaptor to mount on the u4/3 lor. Its going to be manual focus for both sys anyway, so to make it work both ways, it gotta be in full 4/3 & not u4/3.
nightpiper
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DANG!!! WRONG ANSWER!!! The best "cam" in the world is SKII, its eliminates noise for ALL CAMS. HAHAHAHA!!! Everyone's skin will be silky smooth!! WOOT!!!
microcosm
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SKII! You win already...:bsmilie:
Of course, using the 28mm or 20mm fixed focal length lenses, you get extra exercise by walking to frame your photo.
I'm always surprised that the E-3 is so big. Even the E-30 is bigger and heavier than my E-1.
nightpiper
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OT a bit regarding the T&S lens...
I think Oly delayed/not making it r due to a few factors:
i) T&S is too niche, market too small to be worth the effort
ii) Technically not possible for wide angle T&S (28mm equiv & wider) due to strong perspective distortion
iii) Technically possible but the cost will be astronomical in order to tame that perspective distortion. Resulting in MEGA Astronomical selling price. Maybe US$23k for that lens??? :bigeyes:
Big price tag + small niche market spells D.I.S.A.S.T.E.R
If i were Oly, i also won't make the T&S for 4/3 :sweat:
I think Oly delayed/not making it r due to a few factors:
i) T&S is too niche, market too small to be worth the effort
ii) Technically not possible for wide angle T&S (28mm equiv & wider) due to strong perspective distortion
iii) Technically possible but the cost will be astronomical in order to tame that perspective distortion. Resulting in MEGA Astronomical selling price. Maybe US$23k for that lens??? :bigeyes:
Big price tag + small niche market spells D.I.S.A.S.T.E.R
If i were Oly, i also won't make the T&S for 4/3 :sweat:
microcosm
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I am not really talking about PC lenses lah, bro. Just a fantasy having large format camera functionalities into DSLR systems. Which is pretty much impossible. Like you said, who will pay for such expensive lenses? LOL! Good to dream though.
microcosm
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Well, it makes SHG lenses look like kit lens. :bsmilie: But they are of a different engineering standard, so the price tag does not come as a surprise. The shutter is built into the lens. Large format cameras are a different thing from what you are used to in photography, so take your time to understand it, though I feel that large format photography is losing its appeal in Asia primarily due to cost. Digital backs for large format cameras costs an arm and a leg. No joke for entry level enthusiasts.
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