Traffic Police Look-out Thread

[lui002]

What ****ing rotten news for Christmas. I was thinking of getting my driving license next year...but with all these obselete rules and regulations by our F***** up govt, I seriously think twice if it is nesscary or not...

If you are still thinking, don't think anymore.
Once you get it, you've to join *** (Pay And Pay). :bsmilie:

 

[chaotic]

I don't understand why anyone should get scolded for using a mobile phone in a parked car. I mean the logic of it all is really beyond me.

The problem with laws is that you need one rule to govern everybody but everybody is not the same. For example, some people can pefectly drive safely at high speeds but some people just cannot handle fast cars. But the police needs a conservative speed limit to ensure those people who cannot handle the cars do not speed. I know someone who can drive a manual car with a phone on one hand with the other steering and changing gear. That's in the US where it's sort of "legal". But I feel safe in his car because he does it well and he's really alert.

On the other hand, there are some "safe" drivers who obey all the laws but are just plain scary. They do not notice cars around them, their awareness is very low. If you talk to them while driving, it becomes really dangerous.

 

[reachme2003]

If you are still thinking, don't think anymore.
Once you get it, you've to join *** (Pay And Pay). :bsmilie:

no more, pay and pay. one-time payment for a lifetime driving licence.

 

[reachme2003]

A few years back when I was having my class 3 driving test...i was on this long strectch of straight road near bukit batok MRT. There was no other vehicles on the road and i keep my speed strictly at 50km/h.

Later, the tester ask how come i was driving so slow so i told him that the speed limit is 50km/h, then he not happy and started ticking on the test report. Somemore, he told me that I should go faster since there were no other cars on the road. :dunno:

Well..i failed the test in the end. ;(

my experience. when i did my driving test for parking segment, i felt that i did not do my parking well and asked the tester if i can do again. he replied with an unfriendly and heavy tone, 'no, no, go out on the road'. i thought i am finished. when i returned to the driving school, he told me to go upstairs to a room. only later, i found out i had passed.

 

[StreetShooter]

Use of mobile telephone while driving
65B. —(1) **Any person who, being the driver of a motor vehicle on a road or in a public place, uses a mobile telephone while the motor vehicle is in motion shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both, and, in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, to a fine not exceeding $2,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to both.

(2) **In this section —

"mobile telephone" includes any hand held equipment which is designed or capable of being used for telecommunication;

"use" , in relation to a mobile telephone, means to hold it in one hand while using it to communicate with any person.

I got all this from a the raod traffic act.
http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/non_vers...e.pl?&actno=Reved-276&date=latest&method=part
Therefore, using a handsfree is FINE. And the vehicle needs to be in motion for it to be an offence. Tell the cops to go back to school!

Szekiat

Thanks for pointing that out.

I have printed out a copy of the Act to keep in my car.

As mentioned, it's important to know the law and understand its applications and mis-applications.

 

[Pro-New]

whatever device is invented, it will amount to nothing as long as the driver has not changed their mentality. all cars have a speedometer, not enough!

Having a radar detector in your car is also an offence men..

 

[Pro-New]

haha tis a whole island thingie.. but i only paid attention to the places i frequent hehehe.

it's just a small camera, looks like the stuff u see on tv, like in american cop shows? or like that french film, Taxi? just like dat, i've seen does that are mounted inside a van, unmared, and those that are just hidden in the bushes next to the rd.

yeah i agree crap rite? who drives at 50? mebbe the rd rules need to be rechecked....

onli time i drove at 50 was when i was driving for the army
wahahahah

Just look up if you are approching anything that runs above the roads, like flyover, overhead bridge. From far, if you see anyone standing in the middle of the bridge, beware, it could be a moblie speed trap. I noticed it a few times liao.

 

[reachme2003]

Having a radar detector in your car is also an offence men..

yes, i have no issue with such offences. frequency scanner too. ask oneself what is the purpose of having such devices in a car? the answer is obvious.

 

[stingraytan]

I don't understand why anyone should get scolded for using a mobile phone in a parked car. I mean the logic of it all is really beyond me.

The problem with laws is that you need one rule to govern everybody but everybody is not the same. For example, some people can pefectly drive safely at high speeds but some people just cannot handle fast cars. But the police needs a conservative speed limit to ensure those people who cannot handle the cars do not speed. I know someone who can drive a manual car with a phone on one hand with the other steering and changing gear. That's in the US where it's sort of "legal". But I feel safe in his car because he does it well and he's really alert.

On the other hand, there are some "safe" drivers who obey all the laws but are just plain scary. They do not notice cars around them, their awareness is very low. If you talk to them while driving, it becomes really dangerous.

:thumbsup:

i personally drive with one hand on the wheel and one on the gear knob. i have seen people driving with both hands on the wheel and with very tight grip.. and man.. these people should stay off the road. they are a hazard to others and themselves.

 

[PLRBEAR]

:thumbsup:

i personally drive with one hand on the wheel and one on the gear knob. i have seen people driving with both hands on the wheel and with very tight grip.. and man.. these people should stay off the road. they are a hazard to others and themselves.

Not to mention some of them are about 2 inches away from the steering wheel. I'd love to see the airbag go off. :sticktong

 

[hwchoy]

Use of mobile telephone while driving
65B. —(1) **Any person who, being the driver of a motor vehicle on a road or in a public place, uses a mobile telephone while the motor vehicle is in motion shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both, and, in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, to a fine not exceeding $2,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to both.

this means that it is OK if you are stopped at a traffic light right? only thing is you must put it down the moment the light goes green.

just put your phone to speaker mode lah. don't even need handsfree kit

 

[reachme2003]

this means that it is OK if you are stopped at a traffic light right? only thing is you must put it down the moment the light goes green.

just put your phone to speaker mode lah. don't even need handsfree kit

it is debatable if it is OK under the scenario you raised.

 

[hwchoy]

it is debatable if it is OK under the scenario you raised.

yah, but strictly speaking the car is not "in motion".

 

[szekiat]

btw, the dangerous driving/reckless driving act can only be called into question if:
a) you are on alcohol or drugs and have broken a previous traffic offence
b) you have killed someone

It is in the nature of authoritarian figures to intimidate. All of us have done something wrong at some point or another so we will naturally feel the fear. Its your duty to know when you fear

 

[Pro-New]

Defination of handphone driving by police:
extract from the police website: http://www.spf.gov.sg/about_spf/tp/faq_hpdriving.htm

Handphone driving
An offence under Sec 65B of the Road Traffic Act is made out as long as there is evidence to show that the motorist was holding onto the handphone with one hand, while using it to communicate. This is regardless of the position in which he was holding onto the handphone and the fact that a hands-free kit was also used is irrelevant. Handphone driving is an inconsiderate and dangerous act that poses a threat to other road-users.


The act distracts drivers and reduces their ability to control their vehicles and to react to changes in road situations. This puts other road users at risk. Because of the seriousness of the offence, Traffic Police will continue to step up our enforcement on handphone driving. We advise motorists who wish to use their handphones to have their passenger make or receive the call. If travelling alone, motorists should drive to a carpark before making the call.


Penalty
A first-timer convicted of phone and drive offence shall be liable to 12 demerit points and a maximum fine of up to $1000/- or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or both. He/She may also be disqualified from driving. The offender's handphone and SIM card will be seized to facilitate investigation. These may be forfeited by the court upon conviction.


What constitutes HP driving
i) the driver of a motor vehicle that is on a road or public place "uses" a mobile phone while the vehicle is in motion
ii) using one hand to hold on to the mobile phone and the other hand holding the steering wheel
iii) communicate whilst driving


Examples


Scenario A (Paging for someone)
Page for someone, with or without earpiece, using one hand to hold on to the mobile phone and the other hand holding the steering wheel.


Scenario B (SMS/MMS message)
Writing, Sending, and Reading SMS/MMS messages from someone, with or without earpiece, using one hand to hold on to the mobile phone and the other hand holding the steering wheel.


Scenario C (Making a Call)
Making a call, with or without earpiece, by pressing the keypads and was holding handphone in one hand with the other hand holding the steering wheel.


Scenario D (Receiving a Call)
Receiving a call, with or without earpiece, by pressing the keypads and was holding handphone in one hand with the other hand holding the steering wheel.