Staunch EF lens lover.

[triotary]

You seem to have forgotten that Sigma makes bodies too.

Yeah they do, but what I meant in general is that they still positioning themselves comfortably as 3rd party lens maker. It is no rocket science why their lenses are cheaper than Nikon and Canon. The same reason also applies to Canon and Nikon comparing to Leica or zeiss.

 

[Virgo]

I'm sorry I can't understand what you're trying to say. Is it possible you re-phrase it?

You are wrong on so many counts it is no point to answer with the correct infos. You need to open eyes & see whats out there.

 

[midicity]

I will never buy any 3rd party lens. Reason is these 3rd party companies seem to be only thriving to remain as 3rd party companies. These companies probably own a full collection of Nikon and Canon lenses, and they will open it up, study them, cut as many corners as they could and re-manufacture them to their own specs at a lower cost to cater to the 3rd party's market.

Erm, I think Sigma has the 50-500mm that canon doesn't have. Think they had the 18-50 f2.8 before canon had the 17-55 IS f2.8, so think ur philosophy not so correct

 

[triotary]

I always love this article...

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/sm-02-05-02.shtml

 

[triotary]

Erm, I think Sigma has the 50-500mm that canon doesn't have. Think they had the 18-50 f2.8 before canon had the 17-55 IS f2.8, so think ur philosophy not so correct

that lens really has a price that no other lens maker can beat...but with no IS for such a long
focal length hmmm... :think: ...but then again with IS, many many people will not be able to afford it. As you can see, it is a give and take situation.

yeah I might have exaggerated the situation. but in general, a 3rd party lens will definitely has it's quirks, which will be fine if you know how to play it to your benefits. But things like build quality, image quality and extra hop up like IS should be major factors in choosing a quality lens.

 

[yama2278]

I'm a Canon user, and honestly it quite shameful to have this ppl who only use Canon so call lenses around in this arena.

World is big, some brain is so small. Children will grow up some day and learn to constrain their speech!

So Staunch, do you use Canon Bags? Canon Tripods? Canon clothing? Canon filters? why not, they do make them?

 

[calebk]

I think what TS is trying to say is that when he moves on to FF, his lenses will be of good value, hence the decision to avoid EF-S lenses.

Third party I'm not so sure why...:dunno:

 

[carbon14]

I will never buy any 3rd party lens. Reason is these 3rd party companies seem to be only thriving to remain as 3rd party companies. These companies probably own a full collection of Nikon and Canon lenses, and they will open it up, study them, cut as many corners as they could ...

What makes you think that only 3rd party lens manufacters cut corners? Look at Canon QC nowadays for their lenses?

 

[midicity]

What makes you think that only 3rd party lens manufacters cut corners? Look at Canon QC nowadays for their lenses?

Agreed, when I was checking out the EF 70-200L f2.8 IS USM, there was a dust speck on the inner glass of the 1st copy. Bear in mind that this lens is supposed to be weather sealed.

The 2nd copy was good though

 

[calebk]

Agreed, when I was checking out the EF 70-200L f2.8 IS USM, there was a dust speck on the inner glass of the 1st copy. Bear in mind that this lens is supposed to be weather sealed.

The 2nd copy was good though

Heh. L lens too. Freak case? Maybe someone in the factory forgot to wear their mask and sneezed or coughed somewhere on the production line (paraphrased from this week's CSI).

 

[triotary]

I'm a Canon user, and honestly it quite shameful to have this ppl who only use Canon so call lenses around in this arena.

World is big, some brain is so small. Children will grow up some day and learn to constrain their speech!

So Staunch, do you use Canon Bags? Canon Tripods? Canon clothing? Canon filters? why not, they do make them?

So tell me, If I'm Sigma, should I take such a big effort to make a lens that is so darn good, which on the first place I'm not sure whether it is going to fly as I will want it to be, follows by a huge amount of investment in publications, marketing and advertising to get this lens out into the market directly to the consumers, and then finally decided to sell it at a price that is way lower than my competitor's similar products, instead of pricing it at my competitors' same price range in order to make a big profit margin out of it to cover all the time and money that is spent on this investment?

So maybe this ridiculous investment on the long run is going to help me establish my brand in this market that is reigned by the palm of my competitors and their enormous wealth of unlimitless capital. But by judging at the current status of my brand, market shares and assets, IF this meticulously planned proposition, which is going to be a huge leap for me, by any chance will fail if not miserably but to a certain degree that there is a chance, which will force me to question myself would I have the ability to stand back up again?

So tell me, do I want to take this risk? DO I want to take this risk during this era when the market is so saturated with anything you could possibly imagine? Do I want to take this risk especially when this current market is not the same as the times when every imaginable ideas could easily succeed?

Or should I just play safe and stick to what I do best and hit a home run at a market that my competitors choose to neglect?

It is no rocket science when technology and business swim together, only the one with the biggest thumb will prevail, and at this present time, this context is multiplied many many times more than those times, when the juvenile Nikon and Canon trying to muscle their ideas at the mighty presence of Leica and Contax.


AND

At what context in any perspective of any account from this thread suggested that one who sees the facts of a simple ideology, which has mentioned above, has to believe in something that does not related technically to the subject of this thread?

 

[Soapa1125]

What talking you! copy from text book must adds up to some meaning but what on earth r you trying to say ???

Do you know how long this Sigma brand is around? properly older than you. Do you know how many Top price Sigma bags over the years, want me to name a few Sigma lenses that no other 1st party can ever make?

What is 1st party? Konica Minolta - Flunk recently, Leica - deep financial problems, Mamiya - sold to some other company, Yashica - Flunk, Contax - Flunk, Bonica - Flunk, Kodak DSLR - Flunk, etc. sianz ... talking to school children!:dunno:

1st party anyone?

 

[triotary]

What makes you think that only 3rd party lens manufacters cut corners? Look at Canon QC nowadays for their lenses?

There is a significant difference between the term quality and performance, which the latter is the one that is my concerned in my discussion. As for how perfect is the lens at the time when it reaches the consumer, canon guaranty it with a warranty. That is why there is always a risk when you purchase one from the gray market.

 

[triotary]

What talking you! copy from text book must adds up to some meaning but what on earth r you trying to say ???

Do you know how long this Sigma brand is around? properly older than you. Do you know how many Top price Sigma bags over the years, want me to name a few Sigma lenses that no other 1st party can ever make?

What is 1st party? Konica Minolta - Flunk recently, Leica - deep financial problems, Mamiya - sold to some other company, Yashica - Flunk, Contax - Flunk, Bonica - Flunk, Kodak DSLR - Flunk, etc. sianz ... talking to school children!:dunno:

1st party anyone?

If you could read carefully before jumping on conclusion, then perhaps you would understand the simple point that I'm trying to carry through before you pass your judgement bluntly on my point of view.

 

[Soapa1125]

Sorry Professor, I’m just a lowly paid photographer with my own business taking home for only $1X,XXX.XX per month and only drives a Japanese car Lexus. Solee ha! :bsmilie:

But did you come to the wrong forum? Here are talks for photography u know! Not Fortune 500 !

 

[triotary]

Sorry Professor, I’m just a lowly paid photographer with my own business taking home for only $1X,XXX.XX per month and only drives a Japanese car Lexus. Solee ha! :bsmilie:

But did you come to the wrong forum? Here are talks for photography u know! Not Fortune 500 !

I would like to remind you that the topic of this discussion is technically about lens and definitely not questioning anybody's ability to achieve superb photography.

 

[bry'an]

i choose EF-L simply because it is good and worth for $$. if 3rd party can have same quality and performance , why not ? ;p

 

[NE clicks clicks]

Cool down guys , its just discussions.

By the way, if refering back to my 1st post on this thread, I am referring to my preference for EF mount lenses over EFS mount. I have nothing against 3rd party lenses. as a matter of fact, I have the Sigma 12-24mm EX DG lens.The only thing is, I for one wouldn't consider a 3rd party lens if its only meant for DSLR( meaning those for 1.6X DSLR) eg. Sigma DC lenses or Tamron's Di lenses.

 

[Discreet]

i owned canon lens all my life and a couple of Ls in there. Recently I got a 18-125 sigma to mount on my rebel after selling off 17-40L (not comfortable focal length on my 1DmkII) and guess what? I really like this lens.

The point is that if given a choice and unlimited budget, I will go for canon all the time as the focus and built quality is way better. However, canon lens line-up is far for complete. While it might be more complete than say tamron or sony, it does not cover everything. I was looking for a cheap plastic lens that has a huge focal range. Canon has nothing in that line up for me (18-55 too short, 17-85IS too expensive and still not long enough). So I went for the sigma and it serves me well.

The point is this, you get what you paid for... i bought the sigma expecting the biggest POS (piece of ****) and was pleasantly surprised that non-USM motor can focus pretty well if you just wait a bit longer.

Also, there are 3rd party lens which are way better than canon counter parts. Anyone seen a contax distagon?

 

[triotary]

The point is this, you get what you paid for...

I had already stressed this reason in more than one perspective on why I would pay a little more for a canon lens. But somehow my reasoning did not ring very well on some cases, instead they comprehended that the quality of the image would not only fair better but also improved on the photographer's skills in taking pictures, when using a 1st party lens instead from a 3rd party manufacturer. Seriously, I did not recalled that I ever mentioning a 3rd lens would result in a poorer image or affecting a photographer's ability in taking pictures.

Really, it is no rocket science on this: You get what you paid for. And please do not mistaken this statement about techincal aspects of a product for it's flaw in producing one.