Sony HDD videocams


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I always have this doubt about showroom demo when they connect the camcorder to TV. What you see is directly from the lens, and not from recorded video. Different. I think.

Exactly ! When connected directly to TV, most of the cam show clear images. However quality totally lose when capture into PC. Most of the cam now capture in mpeg format. Mpeg = compression, compression = quality lose. Even now HD camcorder also recorded into MPEG4 format, not really pure raw avi.
 

It's true that mpeg is compressed, not true that compress means lost of quality. It depends on the the software used in uncompressing the data. DVD is in mpeg 2 format, does it actually show lost in real quality. Answer is NO. When you WinZip a folder, does it means the data is lost, Answer NO. But you can't simply use any program to uncompress it. It is recommended that you use the correct software to uncompress it to preserve the data.
Notice that there is a diff in image quality say between a branded DVD player and a say cheap DVD player, if you haven't then better pay closer attention. Mpeg 4 is the most powerful format yet, it's scalable and yet it can retains large chunks of info without expanding in file size.

So the bottom line: Technology today is not what it was yesterday, so don't under estimate it.
 

yup, there's lossy compression (e.g. mpeg, jpeg) and lossless compression (e.g. zip).
 

After much assessment, I have decided to go for Panasonic's 3CCD camcorder GS300. Think it's the best value for money. It's miniDV, but I think that's fine.
 

Exactly ! When connected directly to TV, most of the cam show clear images. However quality totally lose when capture into PC. Most of the cam now capture in mpeg format. Mpeg = compression, compression = quality lose. Even now HD camcorder also recorded into MPEG4 format, not really pure raw avi.

but but...XDCAM also mpeg. XDCAM HD also mpeg. HDCAM also compressed. How? :) Which camera shoots pure raw AVI?
 

After much assessment, I have decided to go for Panasonic's 3CCD camcorder GS300. Think it's the best value for money. It's miniDV, but I think that's fine.

How much did u pay for the GS300? Any bundled freebies?
 

I have not bought it yet. I only decided to go for this model.

Prices at stores like Best, Harvey Norman etc are $1199 w/GST. I checked at Alan Photo. They sell at $995 before GST (ie. $1045 incl GST). Includes freebies like extra batt, carrying case, a few DV tapes.
 

Good on you. Excellent Choice, used a friend's before, very good image quality.

Don't worry all these tec talks & Jagons. It's endless and meaningless unless you getting into all these seriously. My take is stick to known technology, it's still safe and usable for the new 3 years. HD is still a little over the horizon so as consumers we can afford to wait even when the pros are all over the shops with it.
 

You are right. I have read reviews that say that DV is going to be a thing of the past, but how soon, nobody really knows. At the moment, HD and DVD cams are yet to be on par with the DV. Perhaps they score on ease of use and convenience, which is the priority for most users.

I like the feel of the GS300... solid build quality for a $1k price tag.
 

I was tinking of the Sony DCR-HC46E or DCR-HC96E as well.

Any comments on tis 2 models? Does 1MP and 3MP make a lot of difference here?
 

After much assessment, I have decided to go for Panasonic's 3CCD camcorder GS300. Think it's the best value for money. It's miniDV, but I think that's fine.

You won't go wrong with this. Minidv will still be here for a long time. I've been using it for 8 years now and have never fail me in quality.
 

I was tinking of the Sony DCR-HC46E or DCR-HC96E as well.

Any comments on tis 2 models? Does 1MP and 3MP make a lot of difference here?

The HC96 costs a few hundred bucks more than the GS300. The GS300 is 3.1MP and has 3CCD, so technically, it should have better quality than the HC96.

The build quality for the GS300 is really quite good. Think I will get it this weekend.:)
 

The megapixel count is not applicable to videos, only for stills, so it does not translate to better image video quality in any way. 3CCDs will theoretically provide for better colour, while a larger CCD will theoretically provide for better low light performance. Between better colour and better low light performance, a balance of the two, with more emphasis on the latter is required to render any camcorder useful.
 

Have tried the GS300 too. Pretty good build quality. The lens is high quality too :) found it a bit on the heavier side though for my weak hand ;p

I'm getting a DVD camcorder.... the older Canon D20 with 1/3.9" CCD. reviews seems okay for it.
 

I'm looking for a new camcorder too, to replace my aging Sony DCR-PC3. Prefer harddisk ones for easy access on a PC. Wonder which one you'd suggest: Sony DCR-SR100E or DCR-SR60E?

I kinda prefer the DCR-SR60E for its smaller size and longer battery life, but its cheaper price might also mean worse video quality. I don't really care about still image quality. Do you think it's a better choice than the SR100E?

Of course there is an HD one: HDR-SR1E, but that one isn't cheap, and I don't think I'd have an HD TV in a short time, so ...

Oh btw, if I want to buy Sony camcorders, where can I find the lowest price in SG? Alan Photo too?

Your comments/suggestoins will be very appreciated.
 

Besides Alan, MS Color also sells Sony camcorders. can check them out too.
 

One major advantage of HDD camcorders compared to DVD camcorders is the ease of use over the output. When making .avi files off a DVD, the final image may be jerky at times, partly due to the hardware that controls the spinning of the disc. With the same hardware and using mpeg files, recording is a real breeze, none of those jerky output.
 

I'm looking for a new camcorder too, to replace my aging Sony DCR-PC3. Prefer harddisk ones for easy access on a PC. Wonder which one you'd suggest: Sony DCR-SR100E or DCR-SR60E?

I kinda prefer the DCR-SR60E for its smaller size and longer battery life, but its cheaper price might also mean worse video quality. I don't really care about still image quality. Do you think it's a better choice than the SR100E?

Of course there is an HD one: HDR-SR1E, but that one isn't cheap, and I don't think I'd have an HD TV in a short time, so ...

Oh btw, if I want to buy Sony camcorders, where can I find the lowest price in SG? Alan Photo too?

Your comments/suggestoins will be very appreciated.

The output from a 1/3" sensor such as that of the DCR-SR100E is like that of a DSLR, better noise control and image quality. The 1/6" sensor such as that of the DCR-SR60E is crap in low light i.e. anything that is not outdoors is basically crap like the PnS digital cameras. I am speaking from experience, both camcorders will give images that are world's apart in image quality.

Given the option between the Sony DCR-SR60E and the Panasonic SDR-S150, I would go for the Panasonic. I have had an opportuity to try out the video image from it at Cathay Marina a long time ago, when the earlier version called SDR-S100 was available. The image quality was indeed sharp, albeit with some noise. But compared to the HDR-S100E, the HDR-S100E will be better by a significant margin.

I have been reading up on AVCHD too. Somehow, I get the feeling that you will need some powerful hardware convert the output effectively.
 

Got the Panasonic GS300 today. :thumbsup:
 

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