Some insight to S2 pro

[Clown]

u saying the S2 & S3 made in Japan? :bigeyes: F80 body or whole thing is made in thailand too. S2 is selling at $2.9k with fuji still making good money out of it, why pay $4.3k for S3? not forgetting S2 was also selling at $4.3k when it was first launch. however, the price came down very fast becos' of D100 & 10D. if fuji was not selling it at a very hi premium then, how can they bring the price down so fast, so drastic? that would greatly be a huge lost to fuji when they take such measures. considering they also need to recoup their R&D cost, u mean they broke even within the first 8mths thats why can drop the price so much, so fast?

if we were to sit down & look at it with a cool head, we soon relised that its really an overpriced item to begin with. so the bottom line is still do thorough homework on the product before purchasing. if its too flimsy for that kind of price, don't support it no matter how much hype. i think this is the only way we can stand up to those manufacturers. right now, their profit margin with DSLRs is still very fat, there's still a lot of room for trimming, its either they give in or we give in.

dude i'm waiting for u to strip apart the D1x, D2h and D100 for comparison....

anyway, most ppl buy and hold on to the S2 because of the colors and noiseless pictures the super CCD can produce. i'm one of them. the ccd on the S2 defeats almost all other digital sensors to date in terms of color and noise. try sitting down and look ant it with a cool head and you'll soon realise that wat we're actually paying for is the sensor.

come on, a medium format digital back is around 30k-50k. why would ppl pay so much for JUST the sensor? it's all simply cheap electronics eh?

anyway if u're still pissed about it (the pricing or watever) for watever reasons u may have, pls complain to fuji or do a hunger strike or kidnap the boss or something.. wat's the point of preaching here? as if we can do anything about the pricing..

 

[AReality]

Nightpiper: a CDROM cost less than $0.10, Why should we pay $100 for a WinXP disc? It's also EXTREMELY overpriced rite?

I guess if U can answer that qn, U'll know the answer to your qn already...

 

[Clown]

Nightpiper: a CDROM cost less than $0.10, Why should we pay $100 for a WinXP disc? It's also EXTREMELY overpriced rite?

I guess if U can answer that qn, U'll know the answer to your qn already...

dude this is brilliant! *kowtows*

 

[Kit]

My gauge on the value of a camera would be from the images I take with it. If the images can pay off the camera(financially or pschologically), fine. Picking on every single detail about the camera doesn't make me a happier person, certainly don't make me a better photographer either. I think we all know that. I certainly didn't buy my cameras just to open them up and bitch about what goes inside. Do you?

 

[nightpiper]

no of cos not. i wouldn't buy a camera just to open it & bitch about it. but when it falls apart in less then 2 years, yes, i do bitch about it.

as to Areality points of ponder, i can only say that some european countries r already switching over to linux & has turned down microsoft's proposal. winXP is expensive & full of security problems. not saying that linux is perfect but given the same set of problems, linux is free so why pay so much?

i m not starting any war here mind u, just want to put some awareness in this whole digital imaging purchase frenzy into a more rationale perception.

(ps: i do bitch a lot about my F80, & i think u can guess why. )

 

[Clown]

(ps: i do bitch a lot about my F80, & i think u can guess why. )

ah.. we can all guess why, cant we?

 

[Watcher]

(ps: i do bitch a lot about my F80, & i think u can guess why. )

Why don't you go and really understand Economics instead of just studying it, if you had ever studied it? All your bitching shows that you don't understand it at all. Why does two pieces of identical clothing can cost up to 10x or more difference in price due to its brand?

Why does a magazine cost $15-20 or more when the cost of printing is only around $3-4?

Why when you buy a DVD, you pay $25, $30, $40 or more when the cost of producing it is only around $5-6 including prints?

Why pay $15-$25 for a Music CD when the cost of making it is around $2?

All these are tied to your question.

 

[AReality]

Let's not go into Windows vs Linux shall we? That'll be super OT already...

Let me get this correct, you're saying that $2.9k for a S2 is too much, considering the cheap parts in it rite?

What if they gold plate all connections, used aircraft grade titanium casing, all electronics with 0.0001% tolerance? Then they'll have to sell it to u for $4k already. BTW, $2.9k is considered cheap in the professional photography line. U should already know the price of the other pro bodies...

 

[nightpiper]

Let's not go into Windows vs Linux shall we? That'll be super OT already...

Let me get this correct, you're saying that $2.9k for a S2 is too much, considering the cheap parts in it rite?

What if they gold plate all connections, used aircraft grade titanium casing, all electronics with 0.0001% tolerance? Then they'll have to sell it to u for $4k already. BTW, $2.9k is considered cheap in the professional photography line. U should already know the price of the other pro bodies...

titanium casing maybe even for shutter? super hi-grade parts? of cos, that'll worth $4k, but S2 is neither. i have mentioned this from the first few postings that if fuji is using very hi-grades parts, then yes, its worth that kind of money ($4k or presently $2.9k)

i wouldn't consider S2 as a pro DSLR cos its not build like one. so for something of this calibre, IMO, price of D70 will suit nicely.

as for all those DVD stuffs & cd-roms & anything thats related to this idea-behind-is-exp things, if people don't find them exp, i think there wouldn't be any pirates anymore. everyone will want original DVDs cos' $30 is very cheap or $48 is very cheap for block busters. i m not suggesting we support pirates but just for the arguement sake, things like these r indeed overpriced.

 

[bernards]

Hey all, I believe everybody (owners who bought in) are victims of marketers. Next time a marketer says ABC product is based on model 123. He/She means, we are going to recycle ABC. Which you can again interpret in two ways.

1. Our company is too cheapskate and want to cut R&D cost. model 123 works, even if it's 10 years old. So there is no reason to be like Sony, coming out with innovative, eye popping design every other year. Bottom line, it works, nobody is complaining, it's cheaper and it's faster.

2. Model 123 has got some really good, long surviving features and design. It's so good, nobody has done better 10 years later. Hence product ABC can't go wrong using such a wonderful design.

Just my 2 cents. Don't flame me hoh. Especially marketers.

 

[poh6702]

Why don't you go and really understand Economics instead of just studying it, if you had ever studied it? All your bitching shows that you don't understand it at all. Why does two pieces of identical clothing can cost up to 10x or more difference in price due to its brand?

Why does a magazine cost $15-20 or more when the cost of printing is only around $3-4?

Why when you buy a DVD, you pay $25, $30, $40 or more when the cost of producing it is only around $5-6 including prints?

Why pay $15-$25 for a Music CD when the cost of making it is around $2?

All these are tied to your question.

Fully agree with you, this is really a stupid thread to even begin with. to add on your list:
People are willing to pay $3 for a bowl of noodle where the material cost is hardly 50 cents.

A whole chicken cost less than $5 can sales for at least 10 plates of chicken rice.

If we add up totol amount we eat in Foodcourt over few years, it sound even more stupid than buying the camera if based on the original message of the thread.

In General, the cost of good is about 30% of its final sales price: R&D, marketing, advertisement, stock holding cost, distributor & retailer's profit, warranty cost make up more than the cost of the product.

 

[poh6702]

On second thought, still have to thanks Nightpiper for the nice picture. :thumbsup:

 

[Kit]

I eagerly await the moment you land yourself a job in the marketing department of either Fuji, Nikon or Canon. By then if you can still tell me you are going to price the S3 Pro for around 2k or even lesser, do let me know. I'll take 2.

 

[zombiez]

u saying the S2 & S3 made in Japan? :bigeyes: F80 body or whole thing is made in thailand too. S2 is selling at $2.9k with fuji still making good money out of it, why pay $4.3k for S3? not forgetting S2 was also selling at $4.3k when it was first launch. however, the price came down very fast becos' of D100 & 10D. if fuji was not selling it at a very hi premium then, how can they bring the price down so fast, so drastic? that would greatly be a huge lost to fuji when they take such measures. considering they also need to recoup their R&D cost, u mean they broke even within the first 8mths thats why can drop the price so much, so fast?

if we were to sit down & look at it with a cool head, we soon relised that its really an overpriced item to begin with. so the bottom line is still do thorough homework on the product before purchasing. if its too flimsy for that kind of price, don't support it no matter how much hype. i think this is the only way we can stand up to those manufacturers. right now, their profit margin with DSLRs is still very fat, there's still a lot of room for trimming, its either they give in or we give in.

Let's talk about you. What camera do you have?

 

[nightpiper]

its a F80. didn't u read the threads? its precisely i own one & have it fail one time too many that i know what its made of. thats the whole reason for me to hi-light to those who thinks the S2 is worth a lot & S3 worth a whole lot more.

of cos' i can't stop anyone from buying, its your money anyway. i just keep my hands off it no matter how miraculous fuji claimed them to be, thats all.

 

[zombiez]

its a F80. didn't u read the threads? its precisely i own one & have it fail one time too many that i know what its made of. thats the whole reason for me to hi-light to those who thinks the S2 is worth a lot & S3 worth a whole lot more.

of cos' i can't stop anyone from buying, its your money anyway. i just keep my hands off it no matter how miraculous fuji claimed them to be, thats all.

As said in the links, F80 is not made to be used 'in the rain'. Why yours fail so many times?

 

[nightpiper]

use in the rain? when did i say that? many brand loyalists will say problems, break downs r acceptable, blah, blah, blah, etc. i m speaking from an objective point of view. if it breaks down too fast too easily, i don't cover it up.

basically it comes down to buyers believing S2 & S3 r pro bodies becos' there's a 'pro' word on the camera, but its not build like one & doesn't last like one. objectively speaking, its just an F80. blindly speaking, electronics will fail, nothing last forever, blah, blah, blah, etc.

if u ask me, i would just buy a cheaper DSLR & get another lens, more bang for my dollar & both camera fail equally easy. so given the same set of problems, why not get one thats cheaper? i m not forcing anyone but just suggesting that everyone should really take a more rationale approach when comes to expensive toys like this.

 

[Zerstorer]

basically it comes down to buyers believing S2 & S3 r pro bodies becos' there's a 'pro' word on the camera, but its not build like one & doesn't last like one.

Where did you come to this assumption?
That's the most riduculous claim I've heard. I've not seen or heard any S1Pro/S2Pro owner say something to this effect. The common gripe has been that it ought to be built more sturdily, but for its intended use they have little complaints.

I think you are assuming too much and giving others too little credit.

 

[zombiez]

Where did you come to this assumption?
That's the most riduculous claim I've heard. I've not seen or heard any S1Pro/S2Pro owner say something to this effect. The common gripe has been that it ought to be built more sturdily, but for its intended use they have little complaints.

I think you are assuming too much and giving others too little credit.

LOL... Agreed.

 

[nightpiper]

I think you are assuming too much and giving others too little credit.

assumption? look at the pic from the link, read other forums as well. like i said, if u want to spend that kind of money, go ahead. u r really buying alot of plastic & sheet metal for that kind of money.

i m not stopping u & neither have any intentions to do so. S2 & all those that use recycled film counterparts are good, but not with that kind of pricing. looking at the pic quality is only one of the deciding factor. support, accessories, build & quality of the camera also need to be put into account.

let me say it very offensively, its becos' of people like u who wants to support it, thats why DSLR is so expensive. just like right now, everyone is saying that the new 20D MUST BE EXPENSIVE becos of the few new features. but nobody ask why must it be expensive when canon already has that expertise to do it at very minimum cost? also nobody sees that how come these manufacturers can slash prices so drastically in such a short time. reason is simply becos' they r selling u at a very hi price to beigin with, so slashing it by 35% or more is still very well within their profit margin.

bottom line: go buy a volvo with corona body. no one in this world is stopping u. its your money, its up to u to spend whichever way u want. if u still think paying above $4k for S3 or $2.9k for S2 is the most value for money, go make yourself happy.