SLCC SHoot
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AncientMariner said:
No! This will never occur to me.......Why? Those who shoots studio with me knows me what I will do.
1. Go shopping for clothes for models.
2. Ensure there is a makeup artist if I want to do serious work
3. I won't shoot for fun if the model is not feel or no mood, we dun shoot. I will ask the model how she feels before the shoot.
I dun noe abt you....
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vince123123
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Have you seen 7 of 9 when she was fully borg? or only when she was already severed from the collective?
kenzi said:
I have to agree with DP's point that the photographer has to be in control and that there is nothing wrong being demanding during the shoot. However, I would like to use the following example to bring out my views:
(Ok, I didn't really check out the price of traveling in the MRT)
Let's say you're paying $1.40 which will bring you from Boon Lay to City hall. Of course, you expect to reach City Hall. If you can only go to Dover or even just Jurong East, you definitely have to voice out because it is maybe say a $0.60 trip. For that, go ahead and make a fuss out of it and call me, I'll join in to whack too. While we're demanding, don't expect to go to Changi Airport or Pasir Ris with that $1.40 because the trip may be $2.40. That's too much on our part to demand to that extend. Maybe can push a little further to Bugis or Kallang, but not too much... You're only pay that much. Know how much you can demand from what you pay too. If you want more, pay more. That's the rule of thumb isn't it? "Yi fen qian, yi fen huo" like DP mentioned that we should expect the same thing as the sample given to us and not something less. BUT, we can't expect something more too!
Coming back to this SLCC shoot... This is only a $60 shoot. 6 models, 2 outfits (din't say that there's a bikini shoot, so all the shorts, and scarf covering thingy wouldn't apply) plus MUA and leader. I think we can't demand anything more about that already...
Coming to the point about the models. It is like $10 per model. Don't expect them to "do and pose as I commanded". If they just don't want to do it, so be it. But if I'm paying $100 per model, I would definitely demand something more then. Of course, it would be good if they can pose as the photographer as suggested to them which benefits both. This comes to being professionalism. Many newbie wannabe models din't know what to expect in this kind of shoot and that they think that being model is easy. I think this is a common misunderstanding they have in mind. Our task as the photographer is also to guide them into doing good poses for the cameras and from there, they will learn and gain experience.
For the MUA, again, about money. You want something to your liking? Pay more. Then I believe that the MUA don't mind redoing and redoing the make-up until you're happy. I suggest that a portray photographer should also learn some basic make-up too. At least it would be a "good to have" skill... Don't you agree? In that case, you can also DIY too.
In conclusion, I think that everything comes down to money lah... You want more, pay more. For this kind of mass shoot, don't forget that you're not the only one paying. If everyone wants to go to Changi from Boon Lay with just $1.40, that will be very bad... Just "give and take"... Of course, these points may not apply to TFCD...
Just my 2 cent worth...
(Ok, I didn't really check out the price of traveling in the MRT)
Let's say you're paying $1.40 which will bring you from Boon Lay to City hall. Of course, you expect to reach City Hall. If you can only go to Dover or even just Jurong East, you definitely have to voice out because it is maybe say a $0.60 trip. For that, go ahead and make a fuss out of it and call me, I'll join in to whack too. While we're demanding, don't expect to go to Changi Airport or Pasir Ris with that $1.40 because the trip may be $2.40. That's too much on our part to demand to that extend. Maybe can push a little further to Bugis or Kallang, but not too much... You're only pay that much. Know how much you can demand from what you pay too. If you want more, pay more. That's the rule of thumb isn't it? "Yi fen qian, yi fen huo" like DP mentioned that we should expect the same thing as the sample given to us and not something less. BUT, we can't expect something more too!
Coming back to this SLCC shoot... This is only a $60 shoot. 6 models, 2 outfits (din't say that there's a bikini shoot, so all the shorts, and scarf covering thingy wouldn't apply) plus MUA and leader. I think we can't demand anything more about that already...
Coming to the point about the models. It is like $10 per model. Don't expect them to "do and pose as I commanded". If they just don't want to do it, so be it. But if I'm paying $100 per model, I would definitely demand something more then. Of course, it would be good if they can pose as the photographer as suggested to them which benefits both. This comes to being professionalism. Many newbie wannabe models din't know what to expect in this kind of shoot and that they think that being model is easy. I think this is a common misunderstanding they have in mind. Our task as the photographer is also to guide them into doing good poses for the cameras and from there, they will learn and gain experience.
For the MUA, again, about money. You want something to your liking? Pay more. Then I believe that the MUA don't mind redoing and redoing the make-up until you're happy. I suggest that a portray photographer should also learn some basic make-up too. At least it would be a "good to have" skill... Don't you agree? In that case, you can also DIY too.
In conclusion, I think that everything comes down to money lah... You want more, pay more. For this kind of mass shoot, don't forget that you're not the only one paying. If everyone wants to go to Changi from Boon Lay with just $1.40, that will be very bad... Just "give and take"... Of course, these points may not apply to TFCD...
Just my 2 cent worth...
Long Thai Bean
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Youhong said:
Anyway ... i think your 2 cents worth may start another whole round of debates ... and more responses ....
Just when i thot his thread was cooling down and proceeding onto a discussion on ST and the Borgs .... haiz ....
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you are so right ... I was about to start a 7 of 9 thread, but then .......Long Thai Bean said:
Youhong said:
Did I suggest SLCC and the MUA do more, pay more? All I said was, the make up sucks. Sometimes, it's much better to do less and get more. Make up is the same. If the MUA cannot do the dramatic make up, don't. Of if the budget allows her only to do a half ass job, don't do it.
You are contradicting yourself. On one hand, you said "so be it" if and when model refused to pose accordingly, then you said "the photographer is also to guide them into doing good poses". Huh? Oh, your so be it comment. I don't care if the model is newbie or amateur, if I get one woith that kind of attitude, if it were my shoot, she will be fired immediately, if it were someone else's, I will walk.
By the way, it's not the money here I am commenting on. Within this budget, SLCC hired the models and MUA. All I am saying is, do it better within the budget. Make sure the clothings and accessories and the makeup/hair style match. Is that too much to ask?
As to bad poses, well, I don't care, it's the photographer's fault not to direct the model.
Del_CtrlnoAlt
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jcho said:
just thinking... does this 2 look alike? no offense here...
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AncientMariner
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Ok, just a simple lesson in English. When you write "you" in a post in a public forum but addressed to nobody in particular, please note it is taken as a collective noun to mean "any or all of you".Bobman said:
Thought so. Interesting to see that you chose a long telephoto shot to post. The pose in http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f188/monoerotica/j2.jpg looked a lot like a semi-nude version of what someone had a model do for a pic in a review on the Tamron 200-500mm lens. I have not used that lens for a portrait shot but here's one at about the same distance as yours done with a "prosumer digicam" shot handheld at 12X also about 2 yrs ago:Bobman said:
Av:f/2.8, Tv:1/350, iso50
Divine_Monk
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Luval said:
I thought its up to the photographer to bring the beauty in the pose of the model and make the best out of the make up and environment, and every pose the model is in has to come out good, irregardless of whether in your opinion is a good pose or bad pose?
That is a key differentiator from a professional photographer from a "amatuer" photographer that blames the model for not posing properly.
Duno... maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you are right that its everyone else's fault. Just my opinion.
Divine_Monk said:
i agree to a certain extent , and yes , i am referring to the photog. not that you are wrong . it the responsiblity of the photographer to look out for every little details down to the makeup, hair. In a way, many will only blame others ( model lah , mua or lighting ) but the photog. They neglect that he / she is the one responsible for the final image. I may be bringing this to a profession level bit too much and too demand. you can say that i am a control freak in this area.. eveyone has a style , you have a style also.
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