Ah.... I don't really understand flash terms... never play with it enough.
Sure or not... even if I do it for free, I doubt anyone want it... of course, I will consider nude model... hahaha... send it my way...
Sharmaine - Ejun Low
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Ah.... I don't really understand flash terms... never play with it enough.
Sure or not... even if I do it for free, I doubt anyone want it... of course, I will consider nude model... hahaha... send it my way...
KelvinDestiny
Senior Member
setti not enough for you =) get euro/ manti instead =D
Ejun,
I like the natural look of before the shoot, however, I be careful with the shape of the shadows casted...personally I would move her further away from the backdrop to lessen the effect. especially from a top-down light. not so sure about the vignetting. IF you wan vignetting then do a more gradient look if not non at all so that it is more clean.
First change is nice, however, I do feel that lighting is not balanced. lower half of photo has too much blacks. maybe a little more lighted on the thigh area. Also that the lower right quarter area of backdrop is too dark, patch of black.
Second change, again lighting seem very unbalanced and shadows are in the wrong places. lower half is poorly lighted. fabric of wardrobe hard to control though the design is nice.
I like the natural look of before the shoot, however, I be careful with the shape of the shadows casted...personally I would move her further away from the backdrop to lessen the effect. especially from a top-down light. not so sure about the vignetting. IF you wan vignetting then do a more gradient look if not non at all so that it is more clean.
First change is nice, however, I do feel that lighting is not balanced. lower half of photo has too much blacks. maybe a little more lighted on the thigh area. Also that the lower right quarter area of backdrop is too dark, patch of black.
Second change, again lighting seem very unbalanced and shadows are in the wrong places. lower half is poorly lighted. fabric of wardrobe hard to control though the design is nice.
ejunlow
Active Member
Hahaha..where on earth am i to find a nude model ... i got back to school maybe...
Kelvin is a poisoner... -.-"
ejunlow
Active Member
Hello Myopia...
I share the sentiments... although I still quite like my works (poorly lit it may be)...i'm not as bothered about crucial metered lighting as a well engaged face..
Appreciate the instructions given!
Ejun
Poseidon88
New Member
image #1 is very good - I like it.
but why are the lips (image #3) so erratic/patchy??
maybe to much botox (butulinum toxin) injections?
but why are the lips (image #3) so erratic/patchy??
maybe to much botox (butulinum toxin) injections?
ejunlow
Active Member
Excellent thread. Constructive comments and a very humble EJun!
Thank You Macchiato...
ejunlow
Active Member
Hmmm ... I'd refrain from making any remarks towards any model when you're posting comments especially comments that might make models have a disregard for you...
too much botox? i'm sure there's a better way to phrase that.. Like said.. I don't mind photographers commenting and criticizing my work (if they actually know what they're talking about) but anything that have no regard for models.. that's something I dont take lightly towards....
Thank you.
Natsu
New Member
Photography aside, I think you're the classiest guy I've seen posting in this forum sir Ejun Low and I wish everyone in this forum senior or newbie professional, amateur or hobbyist should take a cue from your class. Kudos sir that's exactly how a professional photographer should be, not bothered by comments on his/her work but totally out to defend personal attacks on a model.
I salute you sir!
Poseidon88
New Member
Don`t worry, I will only give a few notes.
when you post your images in the
worldwideweb
showing poeple all around the world,
you must accept & handle critique.
If you don`t like, then you can not
post your images in the www.
Why you don`t like making any remarks towards any model ????????
The model is the most important part in the show,
and not the photographer!
ejunlow
Active Member
Are you posting this to let the world wide web learn that's what photographers should do? Photographer or not, you're quite rude... and quite honestly, i dont think you're being any value to the forums at all.. truth be told, i don't own clubsnap.. so caps all you want
I can certainly handle the critic - yes, perhaps my shots arent good... but personal remarks arent critics.. being courteous to someone rude isnt within my principal..
Maybe you should ask the rest of the people in the forums what they think?
I can accept my shots are poor to you...
But you need to accept your language is uncalled for.
Ejun
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ZerocoolAstra
Senior Member
Just spotted this thread!
This is my favourite shot of the 3... Love the way the light falls on her.
Some nitpicks:
1) left arm position looks slightly awkward where shoulder meets collarbone. If she lowered her left hand a bit that would be better I think. A slightly more relaxed posture.
2) need some catchlights
This is my favourite shot of the 3... Love the way the light falls on her.
: First change :
Some nitpicks:
1) left arm position looks slightly awkward where shoulder meets collarbone. If she lowered her left hand a bit that would be better I think. A slightly more relaxed posture.
2) need some catchlights
ejunlow
Active Member
Just spotted this thread
Some nitpicks:
1) left arm position looks slightly awkward where shoulder meets collarbone. If she lowered her left hand a bit that would be better I think. A slightly more relaxed posture.
2) need some catchlights
This is my favourite shot of the 3... Love the way the light falls on her.
Haha thanks bro...
Agreed on the catchlights... I'm getting problems getting used to the catchlight mola produces.. it's minute compared to a softbox... -.-"
boombox
Senior Member
Hey Ejun,
Nice to see that you are playing around, especially with high angles and such, though at such angles means that you would have a hard time getting catchlights. It's like a either/or scenario when you are working with just that one light with no flags/reflectors to throw it back into the eye. So it's whether to get the dramatic, chiselled look from such a high angle, and lose the catch lights, or put it a little lower so it appears, but in the process changing the context and feel of the shot.
Agreed with Myopia's thoughts on the "Before the Shoot" shot with the shadows... The shadow from the outfit added a rather angular shape to the model's shorts, and some people may mind about that half-hidden shadow as it can have an effect in changing the shape of your subject.
However, as an artist, you have the perogrative to decide whether to have it there or not. If you hadn't thought of it yet, perhaps knowing where your shadows go is an additional point to consider when you light your subject... though if you want to knowingly leave things to chance, that's your perogrative too... LoL... May sound rather confusing, but on the bottom line, "the artist's intent" is the important thing here - it affects how and what you want to show to your audiences.
For the shot: "First Change", light at the top works well, and the scratched backdrop looks great, and is full of oomph and texture. Though a problem happens at the lower end where the thigh and knees... where the fall off and low brightness meant that you'd won't have a lot of definition on the thigh. Also, the angle of incidence also meant that the quadraceps were lit but not the hamstrings, and as such, it made the thigh look small in comparison to the knee joint.
A possible way to work around is that if you find that your modifier is not giving you the right amount of control on your subject, change to another modifier and see if it works for you, if not, change the distance maybe (bear in mind the light fall off - technicalities) or, change angle of attack etc...
For the shot: "Second Change", The thighs are lit pretty fine imho, though the portions with subtleties like small regions of shadows and highlights are something to be looked into. There's a bit of a controlled chaos in this shot, and it's actually something I quite like. I would have done my shot similarly, only that I'd use a much harder light. Also, as what Myopia have mentioned, the zip of the dress is seemingly causing some issues which can affect the overall shape - little humps and the larger puffs that appear from a high light angle. So yeah whether or not the outfit is messy or straight is something to be considered about in your creative process (artist's intent)
On the overall, the lighting (from the mola) is rather soft, which is, still very much your style... Since you've mentioned earlier that you might be getting tired of softboxes, and if you really wanna go crazy, suggest you ditch all your soft modifiers for a while and experiment with hard lights and crazy angles - stuff that would make your usual viewers squeal in discomfort, but it might open up new worlds and new perspectives...
Side note though - I would love to get my hands on the mola myself... hehehehe...
Hope the feedback is helpful!
With regards,
C.A.
Nice to see that you are playing around, especially with high angles and such, though at such angles means that you would have a hard time getting catchlights. It's like a either/or scenario when you are working with just that one light with no flags/reflectors to throw it back into the eye. So it's whether to get the dramatic, chiselled look from such a high angle, and lose the catch lights, or put it a little lower so it appears, but in the process changing the context and feel of the shot.
Agreed with Myopia's thoughts on the "Before the Shoot" shot with the shadows... The shadow from the outfit added a rather angular shape to the model's shorts, and some people may mind about that half-hidden shadow as it can have an effect in changing the shape of your subject.
However, as an artist, you have the perogrative to decide whether to have it there or not. If you hadn't thought of it yet, perhaps knowing where your shadows go is an additional point to consider when you light your subject... though if you want to knowingly leave things to chance, that's your perogrative too... LoL... May sound rather confusing, but on the bottom line, "the artist's intent" is the important thing here - it affects how and what you want to show to your audiences.
For the shot: "First Change", light at the top works well, and the scratched backdrop looks great, and is full of oomph and texture. Though a problem happens at the lower end where the thigh and knees... where the fall off and low brightness meant that you'd won't have a lot of definition on the thigh. Also, the angle of incidence also meant that the quadraceps were lit but not the hamstrings, and as such, it made the thigh look small in comparison to the knee joint.
A possible way to work around is that if you find that your modifier is not giving you the right amount of control on your subject, change to another modifier and see if it works for you, if not, change the distance maybe (bear in mind the light fall off - technicalities) or, change angle of attack etc...
For the shot: "Second Change", The thighs are lit pretty fine imho, though the portions with subtleties like small regions of shadows and highlights are something to be looked into. There's a bit of a controlled chaos in this shot, and it's actually something I quite like. I would have done my shot similarly, only that I'd use a much harder light. Also, as what Myopia have mentioned, the zip of the dress is seemingly causing some issues which can affect the overall shape - little humps and the larger puffs that appear from a high light angle. So yeah whether or not the outfit is messy or straight is something to be considered about in your creative process (artist's intent)
On the overall, the lighting (from the mola) is rather soft, which is, still very much your style... Since you've mentioned earlier that you might be getting tired of softboxes, and if you really wanna go crazy, suggest you ditch all your soft modifiers for a while and experiment with hard lights and crazy angles - stuff that would make your usual viewers squeal in discomfort, but it might open up new worlds and new perspectives...
Side note though - I would love to get my hands on the mola myself... hehehehe...
Hope the feedback is helpful!
With regards,
C.A.
ejunlow
Active Member
Hey Ejun,
Nice to see that you are playing around, especially with high angles and such, though at such angles means that you would have a hard time getting catchlights. It's like a either/or scenario when you are working with just that one light with no flags/reflectors to throw it back into the eye. So it's whether to get the dramatic, chiselled look from such a high angle, and lose the catch lights, or put it a little lower so it appears, but in the process changing the context and feel of the shot.
Agreed with Myopia's thoughts on the "Before the Shoot" shot with the shadows... The shadow from the outfit added a rather angular shape to the model's shorts, and some people may mind about that half-hidden shadow as it can have an effect in changing the shape of your subject.
However, as an artist, you have the perogrative to decide whether to have it there or not. If you hadn't thought of it yet, perhaps knowing where your shadows go is an additional point to consider when you light your subject... though if you want to knowingly leave things to chance, that's your perogrative too... LoL... May sound rather confusing, but on the bottom line, "the artist's intent" is the important thing here - it affects how and what you want to show to your audiences.
For the shot: "First Change", light at the top works well, and the scratched backdrop looks great, and is full of oomph and texture. Though a problem happens at the lower end where the thigh and knees... where the fall off and low brightness meant that you'd won't have a lot of definition on the thigh. Also, the angle of incidence also meant that the quadraceps were lit but not the hamstrings, and as such, it made the thigh look small in comparison to the knee joint.
A possible way to work around is that if you find that your modifier is not giving you the right amount of control on your subject, change to another modifier and see if it works for you, if not, change the distance maybe (bear in mind the light fall off - technicalities) or, change angle of attack etc...
For the shot: "Second Change", The thighs are lit pretty fine imho, though the portions with subtleties like small regions of shadows and highlights are something to be looked into. There's a bit of a controlled chaos in this shot, and it's actually something I quite like. I would have done my shot similarly, only that I'd use a much harder light. Also, as what Myopia have mentioned, the zip of the dress is seemingly causing some issues which can affect the overall shape - little humps and the larger puffs that appear from a high light angle. So yeah whether or not the outfit is messy or straight is something to be considered about in your creative process (artist's intent)
On the overall, the lighting (from the mola) is rather soft, which is, still very much your style... Since you've mentioned earlier that you might be getting tired of softboxes, and if you really wanna go crazy, suggest you ditch all your soft modifiers for a while and experiment with hard lights and crazy angles - stuff that would make your usual viewers squeal in discomfort, but it might open up new worlds and new perspectives...
Side note though - I would love to get my hands on the mola myself... hehehehe...
Hope the feedback is helpful!
With regards,
C.A.
Hi Richard!
Haha! Well glad you came to feedback on the shots... and very well received indeed!
Honestly... I think you should come in and spend more time giving suggestions to people here! That should help improve the forum standards...
Regarding the idea to ditch all my softening modifiers... haha... I think not until i've shot another 100 sessions with the mola before I'd make such a big jump towards new territory... Honestly... I think it's a big hurdle for a lot of photographers - Getting away from what's safe.... but it's good advice for all photographer who've hit a brick wall... haha
One thing i'd like to share my thoughts on though....
It often ends up a big debate whether I should adjust and direct the model to pin-point perfection over a less rigid (thereby) more easy-going session... Shooting in sets makes it even harder and I'm often left choosing or salvaging the best shots from every set.
This is often more true when working with models with less posing experience... and I've yet to find a comfortable balance to nagging (and getting perfect poses) all the time as opposed to getting them eased up for better expressions...
I'd admit though, hiring an experienced model would solve a lot of issue, but i guess that's not something I've come to terms with doing haha..
Thank you again... your post just made me wanna start shooting tomorrow..
Will be great to meet you someday
Ejun
thingie
Member
catchlights are the things only photographers talk about haha! besides unless the model would be looking directly at the BD would you get bigger catchlights.
and so this is the experiment with the Mola! i'm liking the light.. not liking the moolah needed though
also on the sidenote, it seems some people on the web haven't got a clue what website they are on eh? i'd think you handled the critics and comments very well, bro and i feel that the harsh words for the model are a tad bit uncalled for.
ejunlow
Active Member
Hey Joel....
haha... I'm very tempted to post the catchlights in but it looks pretty altered... -.-"
As for the molas... I'm waiting for Euro to be in stock on B&H... Also running low on dough though .... One can never have enough moolah... hahaha
As for the silly comments on the model.... You can't help it... this is CLUBSNAP ..... and weird comments are perhaps one of the reasons why a lot of people come here to chill out during coffee breaks...
haha... I'm very tempted to post the catchlights in but it looks pretty altered... -.-"
As for the molas... I'm waiting for Euro to be in stock on B&H... Also running low on dough though .... One can never have enough moolah...
hahahaAs for the silly comments on the model.... You can't help it... this is CLUBSNAP .....
and weird comments are perhaps one of the reasons why a lot of people come here to chill out during coffee breaks...Similar threads
