's Shoot at Boat Quay (Overexposed Series)

[CreaXion]

This is what I wanted too, with the slight colours .

That is what I think u are trying to achieve when I look at your pics. But u forgot that digital is diff from film. Film has various shades of grey and u can afford to overexposed. Whereas when u overexposed the subject in digital, details are lost.

My opinion is that either u shoot either in IR to achieve the effect or u shoot and PP in photoshop. I remembered Catchlights seems to have 1 IR photo taht is close to this effect

 

[student]

i've remembered DP mentioned once said that a photographer must always respect his work and his models and QC the work before it's published. i don't think you respect your work at all, sorry if it's harsh.

May I suggest that you reconsider the above quote. DP also said that one has to learn to walk before one can run. Perfect sense? Or not? Someone just called me and said the same thing.

In my opinion, a lot of what DP said will probably lead people to produce identical images that are boring to death! And a sure fire way to kill "creativity"!

Personally I would prefer the way Y took, although often it may not turn out well. Such is the fate of experimentation.

Why must one show only the good work? (LTB)

Why can't photogs show terrible works? Is showing bad works being disrespectful? Where did that come from? You show good works for what? To get praises? To boost a fragile ego? To show how good you are? For the purpose of learning, I believe showing shitty works is better than showing masterpieces. And are we here learning, or showcasing our abilities?

Can one run before walking? In my opinion, very often people who learn to walk remain stagnated in that walking stage, because they are within the comfort zone. To move out of the norm takes guts and willingness to be ridiculed. So what if there is a major mistake? Someone died? Hardly! So what's the problem?

Obviously I believe one can learn to "run" before one had learnt to "walk".

 

[madmacs]

May I suggest that you reconsider the above quote. DP also said that one has to learn to walk before one can run. Perfect sense? Or not? Someone just called me and said the same thing.

In my opinion, a lot of what DP said will probably lead people to produce identical images that are boring to death! And a sure fire way to kill "creativity"!

Personally I would prefer the way Y took, although often it may not turn out well. Such is the fate of experimentation.

Why must one show only the good work? (LTB)

Why can't photogs show terrible works? Is showing bad works being disrespectful? Where did that come from? You show good works for what? To get praises? To boost a fragile ego? To show how good you are? For the purpose of learning, I believe showing shitty works is better than showing masterpieces. And are we here learning, or showcasing our abilities?

Can one run before walking? In my opinion, very often people who learn to walk remain stagnated in that walking stage, because they are within the comfort zone. To move out of the norm takes guts and willingness to be ridiculed. So what if there is a major mistake? Someone died? Hardly! So what's the problem?

Obviously I believe one can learn to "run" before one had learnt to "walk".

food for thought :thumbsup:

 

[Zenten]

Trying out something new ... (not new to the pros) ... Pictures are overexposed ON PURPOSE ...

Don't bluff ................................:bsmilie:

 

[yilishengxian]

May I suggest that you reconsider the above quote. DP also said that one has to learn to walk before one can run. Perfect sense? Or not? Someone just called me and said the same thing.

In my opinion, a lot of what DP said will probably lead people to produce identical images that are boring to death! And a sure fire way to kill "creativity"!

Personally I would prefer the way Y took, although often it may not turn out well. Such is the fate of experimentation.

Why must one show only the good work? (LTB)

Why can't photogs show terrible works? Is showing bad works being disrespectful? Where did that come from? You show good works for what? To get praises? To boost a fragile ego? To show how good you are? For the purpose of learning, I believe showing shitty works is better than showing masterpieces. And are we here learning, or showcasing our abilities?

Can one run before walking? In my opinion, very often people who learn to walk remain stagnated in that walking stage, because they are within the comfort zone. To move out of the norm takes guts and willingness to be ridiculed. So what if there is a major mistake? Someone died? Hardly! So what's the problem?

Obviously I believe one can learn to "run" before one had learnt to "walk".

Thanks, I'm already used to those comments ...

I only post photos which I really like, not post the best (whether they are actually nice or not is another matter) or the worst images ...

Those posted will usually be the type of photos which I'd like to improve on. And the others, are those which I'll just keep.

 

[yilishengxian]

Don't bluff ................................:bsmilie:

U want me to shoot ur face white n post here too?

 

[Bobman]

May I suggest that you reconsider the above quote. DP also said that one has to learn to walk before one can run. Perfect sense? Or not? Someone just called me and said the same thing.

In my opinion, a lot of what DP said will probably lead people to produce identical images that are boring to death! And a sure fire way to kill "creativity"!

What DP said that a beginner must/should or know/have the fundamentals/basics before one talk about creativity. Creativity comes from inspirations and through observations. (IMHO)

Not many people can create images that can be hung in museum or exhibit in the gallery. These people are just wanna to play safe. Produce a nice photo for viewing.

What's wrong with boring photo then?

Personally I would prefer the way Y took, although often it may not turn out well. Such is the fate of experimentation.

Experimenting is good, if it dwells into it and improve until satisfactory. Not today I post underexpose, for experiment only before you can get a good picture, tomorrow post an overexposed one again for experiement purposes. In the end, every photo is nothing but experimental photos.

Then ask again, are all C & C taken seriously or just for fun. Maybe should have a thread called "For your eyes only"......

Why must one show only the good work? (LTB)

Your good work may not be my good work. This will highlight to the photographer that the good work is not good enough so as to improve further. If you said this, I think you must be very wrong. Sometimes people will said, well actually what I posted is my lousy works, all the good works I don't post. So then, do you think you want to C & C on this type of work???

Why can't photogs show terrible works?

So as to why photogs can't show boring works???? Same, same .....

Is showing bad works being disrespectful?

Not at all, but showing works which may ridicule the model is disrespectful.

Where did that come from? You show good works for what? To get praises? To boost a fragile ego? To show how good you are? For the purpose of learning, I believe showing shitty works is better than showing masterpieces. And are we here learning, or showcasing our abilities?

To get job, doctor.... Some need to show people the works. They get calls or email from public.

Can one run before walking? In my opinion, very often people who learn to walk remain stagnated in that walking stage, because they are within the comfort zone.

That's the begining....it is up to them to take the next step. I can't just go to the university if I do not go through my primary or secondary or college education. Unless a genius, but how many of them, I wish I am one.

To move out of the norm takes guts and willingness to be ridiculed. So what if there is a major mistake? Someone died? Hardly! So what's the problem?

Yes, this I must agree. Mistakes are different from Naivety. If everyone thinks the same way, whats the point of people attending workshops, courses or even refer to reference books?

It is not ashame that you tell people you don't know that you made a mistake. But oftentimes people will just say, well actually this is just experiementing or testing, this I do not know how to classify.......

Obviously I believe one can learn to "run" before one had learnt to "walk".

I give you Confucius for some Confusion

“Those who are born with the possession of knowledge are the highest class of men. Those who learn and readily gain possession of knowledge are the next. Those who are dull and stupid, and yet manage to learn are another class next to these. As to those who are dull and stupid and yet do not learn—they are the lowest of the people.

“But”, he warned, “Learning without thought is labor lost; thought without learning is perilous.”

 

[CreaXion]

What DP said that a beginner must/should or know/have the fundamentals/basics before one talk about creativity. Creativity comes from inspirations and through observations. (IMHO)

Not many people can create images that can be hung in museum or exhibit in the gallery. These people are just wanna to play safe. Produce a nice photo for viewing.

What's wrong with boring photo then?



Experimenting is too, if it dwells into it and improve until satisfactory. Not today I post underexpose, for experiment only before you can get a good picture, tomorrow post an overexposed one again for experiement purposes. In the end, every photo is nothing but experimental photos.

Then ask again, are all C & C taken seriously or just for fun. Maybe should have a thread called "For your eyes only"......



Your good work may not be my good work. This will highlight to the photographer that the good work is not good enough so as to improve further. If you said this, I think you must be very wrong. Sometimes people will said, well actually what I posted is my lousy works, all the good works I don't post. So then, do you think you want to C & C on this type of work???



So as to why photogs can't show boring works???? Same, same .....



Not at all, but showing works which may ridicule the model is disrespectful.



To get job, doctor.... Some need to show people the works. They get calls or email from public.



That's the begining....it is up to them to take the next step. I can't just go to the university if I do not go through my primary or secondary or college education. Unless a genius, but how many of them, I wish I am one.



Yes, this I must agree. Mistakes are different from Naivety. If everyone thinks the same way, whats the point of people attending workshops, courses or even refer to reference books?

It is not ashame that you tell people you don't know that you made a mistake. But oftentimes people will just say, well actually this is just experiementing or testing, this I do not know how to classify.......




I give you Confucius for some Confusion

“Those who are born with the possession of knowledge are the highest class of men. Those who learn and readily gain possession of knowledge are the next. Those who are dull and stupid, and yet manage to learn are another class next to these. As to those who are dull and stupid and yet do not learn—they are the lowest of the people.

“But”, he warned, “Learning without thought is labor lost; thought without learning is perilous.”

Wah Lau Eh! Seldom hear u talk like that:thumbsup:

 

[CreaXion]

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with posting lousy images. However, posting images without making sense is another matter altogether. As long as the poster do not reject knowledge and look thru the comments and learn, it is perfectly alright.

Stubborness is soemthing that every learner shd be aware of. Ignorance is even worse. Those who think that they know and in reality they do not know is the worse.

As to student, I agree with Bobman that boring images are okay. It is better to get boring and super technically correct photos than to have photos that does not make sense. Images like the ones posted.

Some pp like me rely on boring but technically correct photos to get customers. Depends on customers taste. Just to give an eg. My sister in law love my boring but super technical photos. However, my wife prefer my photojournalistic shots. So how. Goes back to pp's preferences. Anyway, I find that u are just nitpicking on DP. So pls try to be partial headed lah. We are afterall a community of learners.

 

[Bobman]

Thanks, I'm already used to those comments ...

I only post photos which I really like, not post the best (whether they are actually nice or not is another matter) or the worst images ...

Those posted will usually be the type of photos which I'd like to improve on. And the others, are those which I'll just keep.

So, these are not your best photos afterall....and you would like to improve on these photos. OK, will you post your improved photos of these series after all the helps you got here in your next posting or are you going to experiment another style????

 

[Hexlord]

Nice one, Bobman & CreaXion.

Guys, let's all not stand up for each other (You know who you are XD).. just move on from this, and continue shooting!

 

[student]

What DP said that a beginner must/should or know/have the fundamentals/basics before one talk about creativity. Creativity comes from inspirations and through observations. (IMHO)

DP can say anything he wants. I was trained to talk about creativity before basics.

BTW, who is DP? What is he? Is he a photographer?

Not many people can create images that can be hung in museum or exhibit in the gallery. These people are just wanna to play safe. Produce a nice photo for viewing.

What's wrong with boring photo then?

Nothing. Just go and make them. None of my business.

But what is your business to tell Y to not make boring pictures?

Experimenting is good, if it dwells into it and improve until satisfactory. Not today I post underexpose, for experiment only before you can get a good picture, tomorrow post an overexposed one again for experiement purposes. In the end, every photo is nothing but experimental photos.

Then ask again, are all C & C taken seriously or just for fun. Maybe should have a thread called "For your eyes only"......

You know the meaning of experimentation?

You know the meaning of the phrase " the journey of a thousand miles begin with the first step"?

What is wrong with experimentating all the time? Life is long. What is the hurry?

Your good work may not be my good work. This will highlight to the photographer that the good work is not good enough so as to improve further. If you said this, I think you must be very wrong. Sometimes people will said, well actually what I posted is my lousy works, all the good works I don't post. So then, do you think you want to C & C on this type of work???

Whether the work is good enough or not is totally subjective. Who decides? You?

When the "Rite of Spring" was first performed, the music was totally condemned. Not good enough? Luckily he ignored the critics!

Like wise Tchaikovsky with his Piano Concerto.

If you do not want to C&C, so what? The world will end? Who cares about your C&C?

So as to why photogs can't show boring works???? Same, same .....

Same. Same. Please do post boring photographs!

Not at all, but showing works which may ridicule the model is disrespectful.

What rubbish are you talking about? OK. Maybe not rubbish. But this your opinion. I disagree with you completely!

To get job, doctor.... Some need to show people the works. They get calls or email from public.

I am not interested in getting job. I am talking about making images. You can go ahead to make a living taking pictures of graduation kids. They have their role, but I have no interest in these types of pictures.

That's the begining....it is up to them to take the next step. I can't just go to the university if I do not go through my primary or secondary or college education. Unless a genius, but how many of them, I wish I am one.

Wrong analogy. Seems like I wasted my time trying to explain to you.

Yes, this I must agree. Mistakes are different from Naivety. If everyone thinks the same way, whats the point of people attending workshops, courses or even refer to reference books?

It is not ashame that you tell people you don't know that you made a mistake. But oftentimes people will just say, well actually this is just experiementing or testing, this I do not know how to classify.......

I tell you that naivety is better. Naviety is an innocence that is unfettered by pre-conceived ideas. I wish I am more naive! Unfortunately I too have too much preconceived ideas!

Why must people question Y when he plainly said that he Purposely over-exposed? Why must people call him a liar? Can't you accept that this was his intention? You have a special ability to see inside him?

I give you Confucius for some Confusion

“Those who are born with the possession of knowledge are the highest class of men. Those who learn and readily gain possession of knowledge are the next. Those who are dull and stupid, and yet manage to learn are another class next to these. As to those who are dull and stupid and yet do not learn—they are the lowest of the people.

“But”, he warned, “Learning without thought is labor lost; thought without learning is perilous.”

With due respect, the followers of Confucius are not great innovators. They are followers.

That is why authoritarian governments love Confucius.

For innovation, I prefer Zhuang Zhi.

 

[Bobman]

DP can say anything he wants. I was trained to talk about creativity before basics.

BTW, who is DP? What is he? Is he a photographer?

Ya, you are right... who is DP??? Who am I??? Who are you??? What are you??? I can live without the word DP, I believe you can too....

Nothing. Just go and make them. None of my business.

But what is your business to tell Y to not make boring pictures?

I think you get me wrong here, I did not tell Y not to make boring pictures. I am saying if one can accept lousy pictures, why can't one accept boring pictures??

You know the meaning of experimentation?

You know the meaning of the phrase " the journey of a thousand miles begin with the first step"?

What is wrong with experimentating all the time? Life is long. What is the hurry?

Why do we need to experiment? To get good results in the end. If it is not achieve, we go on and on but not half way through; give up and go to experiement new idea.....

Whether the work is good enough or not is totally subjective. Who decides? You?

When the "Rite of Spring" was first performed, the music was totally condemned. Not good enough? Luckily he ignored the critics!

Like wise Tchaikovsky with his Piano Concerto.

What we saw was those who were lucky and succeeded. Have you seen those who fell????

If you do not want to C&C, so what? The world will end? Who cares about your C&C?

Oftentimes, "Advice is least heeded when most needed"......

Same. Same. Please do post boring photographs!

I am trying very hard to do that ......

What rubbish are you talking about? OK. Maybe not rubbish. But this your opinion. I disagree with you completely!

Yes it is my opinion. I won't post anything that would disgrace my models; cos they are my goddess and I worship them (sounds familiar?) ..........

I am not interested in getting job.

I am starving

I am talking about making images. You can go ahead to make a living taking pictures of graduation kids.

That's where I can buy my bread.

They have their role, but I have no interest in these types of pictures.

You got enough bread for the rest of your life.

Wrong analogy. Seems like I wasted my time trying to explain to you.

No, not wasted. Sometimes we have different views....

I tell you that naivety is better. Naviety is an innocence that is unfettered by pre-conceived ideas. I wish I am more naive! Unfortunately I too have too much preconceived ideas!

Let us change heads. Shall we call " Heads Off" ???

Why must people question Y when he plainly said that he Purposely over-exposed? Why must people call him a liar? Can't you accept that this was his intention? You have a special ability to see inside him?

Don't ask me. I am not the one who said that .......

With due respect, the followers of Confucius are not great innovators. They are followers.

A good leader is a good follower..... lets begin by followin, we can lead later. Why the hurry??? Life is long .......

That is why authoritarian governments love Confucius.

For innovation, I prefer Zhuang Zhi.

Arhh.....then let me give you Zhuang Zi

Flow with whatever is happening and let your mind be free. Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the ultimate!!!


Just for fun doc .....

 

[sci80298]

Charles was here.

Such a lengendary thread. Must put my mark on it before it gets closed. First time posting in this thread

 

[hobbit6003]

Hmm....Igor Stravinsky and Tchaikovsky.....well, they were already accomplished composers by the time they respectively wrote the ballet and the concerto right?

I'm sure they did not pluck things from the sky when they experiment with their music forms. They were already drilled in the fundamentals of music before they started their experimentation in their composition.

And now back to our TS....can he then be compared to these great composers in these respect?

Not, I think.

Kenny

 

[Bobman]

Charles was here.

Such a lengendary thread. Must put my mark on it before it gets closed. First time posting in this thread

Why are you so busy body :angry: ... You don't have papers to mark meh :bsmilie:

 

[CreaXion]

Why are you so busy body :angry: ... You don't have papers to mark meh :bsmilie:

Wah. Exposing pp's identity here.

 

[madmacs]

Hmm....Igor Stravinsky and Tchaikovsky.....well, they were already accomplished composers by the time they respectively wrote the ballet and the concerto right?

I'm sure they did not pluck things from the sky when they experiment with their music forms. They were already drilled in the fundamentals of music before they started their experimentation in their composition.

And now back to our TS....can he then be compared to these great composers in these respect?

Not, I think.

Kenny

neither can most of us i think...

 

[Bobman]

Wah. Exposing pp's identity here.

Next step, exposing his body ..... :bigeyes: Another can of Heineken ....

 

[hobbit6003]

neither can most of us i think...

Exactly, and that's why such analogy can't stand.

You cant just pluck a herb from somewhere, cure someone of diarrhoea, and call that an experimentation, can you?

You must have a basis to work from before you can experiment, that's my point.

But I guess you are right, that some of our comments, including mine, is a tad too harsh towards the TS. He, afterall, is just a hobbyist la.

Kenny