ageha
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The price wasn't part of that particular rumor.
[Rumor] Nikon Retro Hybrid Mirrorless Camera (FX)
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NazgulKing
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If the camera is well specced and comparable in price to the D600, I'd get it anyway.
Alamak....
Ansel
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Just reading the earlier posts again, and re-thinking the "hybrid" feature. Could it be that you can also load film on this new cam? Thus it's both a DSLR and a film SLR, hence "Hybrid". Far fetched?
ageha
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Just reading the earlier posts again, and re-thinking the "hybrid" feature. Could it be that you can also load film on this new cam? Thus it's both a DSLR and a film SLR, hence "Hybrid". Far fetched?
That sounds more like a camera with a price tag above the D4 for only a few people. I doubt that's Nikon's new entry level strategy they announced.
I tend to agree with this outlook. I think that going to mirrorless is to attract a wider market base and especially to catch those who want something better than the Nikon V series. Current users of D4 may not be too concerned about a mirrorless... that's from my personal marketing experience but then....
saberlancer
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Slowly wait, dream on..lol
I think it was.
Here's the red herring rumour post:
http://nikonrumors.com/2013/10/23/n...e-retro-styled-nikon-fx-dslr-camera-d4h.aspx/
It includes the $3k body and $3300Body+kit BS prices.
I think the title of this thread is a bit confusing. The OP states the rumour of a pentaprism and hence not mirrorless yet the title is of a 'retro hybrid mirrorless camera'.
Not saying the mirror can't be locked up to engage an EVF in a hybrid EVF/OVF configuration but if there's a pentaprism then there's a mirror in there somewhere. This will be quite different from an A7/r type camera I think.
- Nikon DF vs Sony A7/r
- DLSR vs mirrorless
- Simple/uncluttered vs feature rich
- 'pure photography' vs 'convergent device'
- full legacy F-mount support vs complete new line of lenses (but non-native legacy lens support via adapter)
Not saying the mirror can't be locked up to engage an EVF in a hybrid EVF/OVF configuration but if there's a pentaprism then there's a mirror in there somewhere. This will be quite different from an A7/r type camera I think.
- Nikon DF vs Sony A7/r
- DLSR vs mirrorless
- Simple/uncluttered vs feature rich
- 'pure photography' vs 'convergent device'
- full legacy F-mount support vs complete new line of lenses (but non-native legacy lens support via adapter)
I find it ironic though that a "pure photography" device like the a900/a850 was slammed by nikonians for not having enough features yet now they seem to want a "pure photography" camera and the Sony is the one with all the features.
NazgulKing
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I find it ironic though that a "pure photography" device like the a900/a850 was slammed by nikonians for not having enough features yet now they seem to want a "pure photography" camera and the Sony is the one with all the features.
That was like 5 years ago? Fashion trends change?
I find it ironic though that a "pure photography" device like the a900/a850 was slammed by nikonians for not having enough features yet now they seem to want a "pure photography" camera and the Sony is the one with all the features.
I'm with you on the irony part. I'm not sure about the slamming part as I wasn't around this forum at the time of the a900/a850 release but I'll just have to take your word for it.
I guess we're coming full circle and convergence is coming to a point where cameras are possibly becoming overly sophisticated for some.
But part of my point with the last post is that if the rumours turn out to be true, its likely catering for a very different segment of the market than the Sony's.
What's becoming very evident from reading all these posts here and elsewhere is how varied the user base is out there, each with very different wants and needs. And it appears a very simple, well built, uncluttered photographic camera is sorely missed. Whether that's what gets delivered come November is a different story.
Anthony Lee
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For Nikon to build this "pure photography" device is chicken feed, but the rational behind it may be something else. I have a set of ais lenses that has never been used on a Nikon body, maybe it's for me!
Andrew Ng
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Thus the price of this camera needs to be placed at $8k and above to lower the occurrence of such impure act. I have yet to come across a Leica M8/9 and MF user engaging in such artwork. 
Make it less affordable and all will be pure again! Wosh!
Make it less affordable and all will be pure again! Wosh!
it's no longer pure photography once local photographers start shooting bikini-clad XMM "artwork" with the Nikon DF.
the camera will be tainted and used for Impure Photography
ageha
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Why is a camera "feature rich" just because it doesn't have a mirror, a dedicated PDAF chip and a pentaprism? I would call the Sony feature rich if it's technology would make the mirror obsolete but that isn't the case, it doesn't introduce anything new.
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Feature rich has little to do with the lack of the mirror although mirroless does lead to the introduction of some features like EVFs and on-sensor PD-AF (in the case of the A7).
Here're the Sony specs:
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-alpha-7-7r/2
Are there any gaping features that's missing?
Main thing I can think of is sensor stabilisation.
So comparatively with the rumoured DF, it would seem quite feature rich don't you think?
ageha
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An AF system comparable to cheaper DSLR is missing because the on-sensor PDAF thingy works only in sufficient light and doesn't seem to be that awesome. In the end they just slap a different micro lens filter on and use a few of the existing photodiodes for PDAF. We don't even know how much it contributes to the CDAF performance since you can't switch it off (they probably hide that for a good reason). Since the A7 has a lower pixel count compared to the A7r it would have a faster AF even without PDAF anyway (assuming both have the same computing power).
The on-sensor PDAF simply isn't an extraordinary feature because it isn't as good as the PDAF in a DSLR. The only cool feature left is the EVF and we don't even know yet if the DH doesn't have an EVF as well. Anyway, I think feature rich is quite an exaggeration because the A7/r are just like all other mirror-less cameras, I don't see any feature standing out. Okay, one single feature stands out, the sensor size.
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