Roxanne: Episode 1 - Part 1
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Removed the comments in the 2 threads as it was unconstructive and obviously OT.
But then I would stand with 1 comment in this thread.
Why are you going the long way around to prevent over exposure and still using the flash? you +1ev, used the flash, powered it down, used a higher ISO then you went to a smaller aperture to reduce the amount of light. wouldnt make much sense especially if you are doing it outdoors. Seems to me that you wanted to do 1+1=2 and got 2-1+3-2=2. Think about it. There are easier steps to do that.
I posted my stuff up before. Go do a search on it, they might still be around. Took my share of comments before and swallowed it as well. If you really want, there`s also my album online. People are welcomed to view it.
and once you plus EV, you negate the D70`s inherent design to underexpose.
But then I would stand with 1 comment in this thread.
Why are you going the long way around to prevent over exposure and still using the flash? you +1ev, used the flash, powered it down, used a higher ISO then you went to a smaller aperture to reduce the amount of light. wouldnt make much sense especially if you are doing it outdoors. Seems to me that you wanted to do 1+1=2 and got 2-1+3-2=2. Think about it. There are easier steps to do that.
I posted my stuff up before. Go do a search on it, they might still be around. Took my share of comments before and swallowed it as well. If you really want, there`s also my album online. People are welcomed to view it.
and once you plus EV, you negate the D70`s inherent design to underexpose.
TMC is right.
ISO, aperture, shutter speed, etc are all interlinked in getting the exposure to what you want. E.g. why did you set the ISO to 250 and not 200? Why not adjust shutter speed instead? What if you change the aperture? What is the effect of changing the aperture? In the first place, do you know what exposure is? You need to be able to answer these qns. You seem to have gone through a roundabout to get the exposure you wanted. It looks like you haven't gotten the basics right, but yet you are trying more and more new things.
Since you've taken the step to get a DSLR, you'd owe it to yourself and your equipment to understand the concepts, otherwise a point-and-shoot would be better. Log on less often lah, then you will have time to read and practice, don't say you don't have time! Talk less, listen more.
P.S. I'm amazed at how a day-old thread can generate so many views and responses! :bsmilie:
ISO, aperture, shutter speed, etc are all interlinked in getting the exposure to what you want. E.g. why did you set the ISO to 250 and not 200? Why not adjust shutter speed instead? What if you change the aperture? What is the effect of changing the aperture? In the first place, do you know what exposure is? You need to be able to answer these qns. You seem to have gone through a roundabout to get the exposure you wanted. It looks like you haven't gotten the basics right, but yet you are trying more and more new things.
Since you've taken the step to get a DSLR, you'd owe it to yourself and your equipment to understand the concepts, otherwise a point-and-shoot would be better. Log on less often lah, then you will have time to read and practice, don't say you don't have time! Talk less, listen more.
P.S. I'm amazed at how a day-old thread can generate so many views and responses! :bsmilie:
Don't think an outdoor portrait shoot is so complex as to have the need to read the manuals, much less burn and drink it. 
Camera setting
From the look of it, I would just set the ISO to the lowest, open up the aperture, set the camera to aperture priority and shoot. Just need to make sure the shutter speed is not too low as to introduce camera shake.
If flash is desired, then set the flash to -1EV to -2EV. You then need to make sure the shutter speed is still within the flash sync speed. Used to be that the "3D matrix fill flash" on older Nikon flashlights are roughly already -1EV, so may not need to dial in too much. But I can't be sure about the latest cams and flash, I'm a film dinosaur.
The most "complicated" method is to spot meter off the face, dial in the shutter speed, take a shot and see if you like it (check the histo, digital right?). Then just put the cam to manual, set everything and just worry about composition.
Post-processing
Before you do anything, make sure that your monitor is calibrated, CRT or high end LCD. Use whatever software you desire as long as there are levels and curves. If you had exposed well, you shouldn't need curves too much.
That's all to it basically, the rest is up to your own creativity. Don't understand why we have so many comments.
There was a comment about switching to a P&S. That's not good. Just buy a cheap FE2 (dirt cheap now) and shoot some film, enjoy the pics from the lab, then shoot some slides to understand exposure. Once okay, you can always go back to your all-singing-all-dancing digicams, and all the PS work in front of the monitor.
Camera setting
From the look of it, I would just set the ISO to the lowest, open up the aperture, set the camera to aperture priority and shoot. Just need to make sure the shutter speed is not too low as to introduce camera shake.
If flash is desired, then set the flash to -1EV to -2EV. You then need to make sure the shutter speed is still within the flash sync speed. Used to be that the "3D matrix fill flash" on older Nikon flashlights are roughly already -1EV, so may not need to dial in too much. But I can't be sure about the latest cams and flash, I'm a film dinosaur.
The most "complicated" method is to spot meter off the face, dial in the shutter speed, take a shot and see if you like it (check the histo, digital right?). Then just put the cam to manual, set everything and just worry about composition.
Post-processing
Before you do anything, make sure that your monitor is calibrated, CRT or high end LCD. Use whatever software you desire as long as there are levels and curves. If you had exposed well, you shouldn't need curves too much.
That's all to it basically, the rest is up to your own creativity. Don't understand why we have so many comments.
There was a comment about switching to a P&S. That's not good. Just buy a cheap FE2 (dirt cheap now) and shoot some film, enjoy the pics from the lab, then shoot some slides to understand exposure. Once okay, you can always go back to your all-singing-all-dancing digicams, and all the PS work in front of the monitor.
BTW, my elders always tells me, "ho ar zi gu wei, pai ar zi gu wei" (hokkien).
Translated roughly means if you say something, might as well say samething in a better manner so as not to offend. Then we don't have long and unconstructive threads.
Sometimes, these "threads" seems to develop into "threats".
Translated roughly means if you say something, might as well say samething in a better manner so as not to offend. Then we don't have long and unconstructive threads.
Sometimes, these "threads" seems to develop into "threats".
melnjes said:TMC is right.
ISO, aperture, shutter speed, etc are all interlinked in getting the exposure to what you want. E.g. why did you set the ISO to 250 and not 200? Why not adjust shutter speed instead? What if you change the aperture? What is the effect of changing the aperture? In the first place, do you know what exposure is? You need to be able to answer these qns. You seem to have gone through a roundabout to get the exposure you wanted. It looks like you haven't gotten the basics right, but yet you are trying more and more new things.
Since you've taken the step to get a DSLR, you'd owe it to yourself and your equipment to understand the concepts, otherwise a point-and-shoot would be better. Log on less often lah, then you will have time to read and practice, don't say you don't have time! Talk less, listen more.
P.S. I'm amazed at how a day-old thread can generate so many views and responses! :bsmilie:
amen to dat.
no one (well.. not every one, anyway) purposely go out of their way to pick on some body, unless of course one asked for it. wat i noticed for u is dat u are quite obessed early on knowing THE setting to get THE best pic (judging from the way u ask questions on other people's thread). and, dats despite people telling u there's no THE setting. there's a setting for every reason and a reason for every setting. also, as someone pointed out earlier, u dug urself into a bigger hole by offering ur advice when u (to be frank) dunno wat u are saying. the big hoohah over the VR lens is a good example, of which i'm the one who 'slam' u over it (of which u asked me to improve my PR skills, IIRC). not to say i'm right. but, i think u'll understand by now, dat was one of the mildest comment anyone could have said to u.
dun go blaming every one else for ur current predicament. and dat includes pouring out ur 'woes' on photographersg.org. as u can see, many of CSers are also members of other forum boards. u might get sympathy from there. then again, not all those who sayang u meant well. dat goes for here online and in the real world. (caveat - i've nothing against people on photographersg.org. in fact, i met 1-2 of them b4 and they are a pretty good bunch of people.) u can say u 'understand' the point of view, and 'change' ur mindset HERE. however, by complaining somewhere else at the same time... well...
and, pls. dun go round muttering that u'll quit CS just becos people are out to pick on u. it gets tiresome after a while. and frankly, i believe no one really cares whoever quits. remember. this is an online forum. people come and people go. also, dun think every one got a bone to pick with u. the more u think like dat, and it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. everyone (from the mods to the peons in CS) gets 'slammed' for wat is perceived to be a lousy pic. impt thing is to keep quiet and listen. even the harshest and crappiest of comments can contain a kernel of truth.
oh, here's a tip. a senior CSer once told me in my early days of joining CS. the people who post here, by and large, dun post their best pics for critique. makes sense, doesn't it. and, by and large, i found this to be true once i got to meet the really good shooters. think abt it. wats the point of posting the best pics and learn nothing, rite? (unless dat shooter is blardy egoistical, which, IMO, is quite rare among the CSers i've met so far) so, for those who like to comment dat the pic is 'best'... heehee.. u ain't see nothing yet. if one has a chance to meet any of the really good shooters, ask them to show their portfolio. i guarantee u dat their portfolio of un-posted pics will blow u away.
bottom line - shoot more and learn (from manuals, books, real pros, classes etc...). dun moan. as the saying goes, if u can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
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Phildate
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i think it's very amusing how the title of the thread sounds like a sitcom or soap opera - which is what this has turned out to be
KNIGHT ONG
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Good works Zeckson ... do ponder over what nightwolf has mentioned ... 
And there are many others who have given their point of views to help you improves ..
And there are many others who have given their point of views to help you improves ..
Zeckson Chow
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Yes, I will ponder over the comments here. Thanks everyone for the effort to write so many constructive words.
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