Reasons to choose D70 over 350D?

[mpenza]

Does a vertical grip improve your photos?

It's a strange thing that Nikon omit it though. eg. D1, D1X, D1H, D100, D2H and D2X has vertical grips/shutter button.... it doesn't improve photos but does help during the picture taking process. Newcomers might not really need it but more experienced users generally find it useful.

 

[Watcher]

Yup, go for nikon if you need a 180 degrees fisheye image on a DSLR at a reasonable cost. alternatively, if you need an affordable non-fisheye lightweight and affordable ultra-wide zoom lens that has fast, accurate and silent autofocussing and offers 16-35mm equivalent field of view on a APS-C sensor size DSLR, you have to go for Canon (Nikon's equivalent offers a less wide 18-36mm at 50% higher cost and 26% heavier).

else, either system is ok ;p

Oh? You compare a constant max aperture pro vs one that is not ?

For non pro system, a full frame Sigma at the same price as the EF-S can be gotten That is what 3rd party lenses are for; help to round up the system However the AF 10.5 DX fisheye is unique; no other DSLR has a substitute or replacement for its system.

[tongue in cheek mode on]
perhaps, a less known fact is that Canon bodies can use Nikon lenses via an adaptor (losing AF) but Nikon bodies can't use Canon lenses. So, Canon offers greater possibilities in lens usage ;p
[mode off]

I'm amaze that no one noticed that the EF mount can do mounts but not its own older one. Milking and exploitation? :think:

 

[Watcher]

It's a strange thing that Nikon omit it though. eg. D1, D1X, D1H, D100, D2H and D2X has vertical grips/shutter button.... it doesn't improve photos but does help during the picture taking process. Newcomers might not really need it but more experienced users generally find it useful.

That might be true and like you said useful, but it has not stopped Thom Hogan from taking great pictures with a D70

 

[simon80]

???? errrr???

si mi lai?

exactly .. wats tat?

 

[mpenza]

The problem is why would anybody want to use USM L glasses on Nikkor bodies. :dunno:

I can understand why Canon bodies want to use Nikkors though :bsmilie:

This reply is meant for humour and replied directly to mpenza, so :nono: flames welcomed.

I take is as a tongue in cheek comment ;p It's definitely a waste of the fast focussing speed on a Nikon body that can't utilise it.

There're good (and bad) lenses from both systems, so if any user has special needs, do check out what both systems could offer and decide accordingly. But for general users, either system is good enough. I know people around who take lots of great pics on a basic SLR+kit lens. There's no need to get all the speciality lenses ;p

 

[simon80]

I hate the d70 becos it does not have a Vertical GRip !!
So I decided to buy the d70.

 

[Garion]

I hate the d70 becos it does not have a Vertical GRip !!
So I decided to buy the d70.

Wait...u bought something u hate? :dunno:

 

[Watcher]

I take is as a tongue in cheek comment ;p It's definitely a waste of the fast focussing speed on a Nikon body that can't utilise it.

There're good (and bad) lenses from both systems, so if any user has special needs, do check out what both systems could offer and decide accordingly. But for general users, either system is good enough. I know people around who take lots of great pics on a basic SLR+kit lens. There's no need to get all the speciality lenses ;p

Ha ha. Agree

Im just taking the example to the extreme where decision is made on such trival difference as a single lens which can be substituted and over a few pixels and focusing speed between 0.5 secs and 0.8 secs. :sweat:

 

[mpenza]

Oh? You compare a constant max aperture pro vs one that is not ?

Pro or not is just a designation ;p Canon could have easily designated it an L given its optical performance. Actually, as long as the lens performs well, it's good for pros and non-pros. As for the EF-S 10-22, it's actually faster (F3.5) at the wider end and the average aperture is slightly less than F4.0 (0.5 faster at the wider end is more significant than 0.5 slower at the tele end in terms of stops).

 

[simon80]

Wait...u bought something u hate? :dunno:

yah .. cos I only hate 1 thing about the d70
:bsmilie:

till now .........

 

[simon80]

Why chooice Nikon instead of Canon hurr... one good example will be Nikon provide new Firmware for D70 not only to improve the performance, but also give you a new look of the menu like D70s.

2. There are many events for Nikon family like you and me, for instance like few months ago the Chinese Garden model shoot, and recent one BigWalk that Canon never did for their users. Maybe Canon think that they cannot take care so "many" Canon users. :think:

I agree with this ...

 

[Watcher]

Pro or not is just a designation ;p

Not true. Many qualify a pro Nikon lens if one of its attribute is a constant max f stop. It is not a marketing branding unlike...

 

[Smurfie]

Chseah, only advice I can seriously give you, with all this chatter here, is to not listen to anyone here. Objectivity here is low with the fanboism running right through the roof.

I'll be flamed for this, but who cares. Anyone who says one brand is better than the other, is nothing more than a fanboy who is championing the brand they favor.

Chseah, ask yourself. Have you seen pictures taken from Canon cameras which made you go, "Eww, Nikon cameras will take this better." Have you seen pictures taken from Nikon cameras which made you go, "Eww, that photographer should use Olympus." No. The only thing a photograph should do to you is entice you with what the content of the picture.

Famous photographers like Alfred A. Blaker are able to use even disposable cameras to take excellent pictures. If a lowly disposable camera takes money shots, what is it that you really cannot do with a >$1000 camera?

 

[amospi]

My friend and I are actually considering which DSLR to get? Maybe you all can help by giving some reasons to help us make the decision.

Thanks

AFTER READING THRU ALL THE DEBATE, WHY NOT YOU AND YOUR FRIEND EACH BUY A NIKON AND A CANON THAN DECIDED WHICH ONE SUIT BETTER.:bsmilie: :kok: :hammer:

 

[simon80]

AFTER READING THRU ALL THE DEBATE, WHY NOT YOU AND YOUR FRIEND EACH BUY A NIKON AND A CANON THAN DECIDED WHICH ONE SUIT BETTER.:bsmilie: :kok: :hammer:

Heres a better suggession.

Both share the amount to buy a 350d and d70.
Used it for 1 month and then switch the camera for another month.

If both of u likes the same brand. Sell the other away. Top up the extra $ for another new set.
Find out who gonna get the new set and remain as friends ..

If you guys ended up with different brand. Probably will end up as 'foes' as well.. lolz.
So both of u can do a full write up on .. why choose white over black and vice versa.
And we can sticky it .. I believe few months down the road. such same topic will be inside the forum ..

okie .. just a crAP suggession
:bsmilie:

 

[Smurfie]

Untrue? Then pray tell, why does the buffer drops when you push up the ISO? Isn't the NR algorithmn behind working thus the buffer has to drop because the processing power is split?

All cameras have in-camera processing. No camera maker dumps pure sensor data into the RAW file. Every camera has more than the NR algorithm working. There is color information data(Bayer pattern), in-camera sharpening, contrast correction, etc.

When a camera switches to a higher ISO, the amount of light hitting the sensor is less. That means the sensor collects less data. The sensor at higher ISO doesn't "react" faster like fast films used to. Instead, the signal at the sensor is boosted as needed for the higher ISO settings. This means there is not only sensor data, but also information needed for gain control and increase for the higher ISO.

Nikon probably manages the amount of memory needed well as shown by the consistent buffer space available. Canon probably has to allocate more space for the added ISO boost data, and does not handle it well, thus the buffer drops.

But to say that only Canon does in-camera junk while Nikon doesn't, is spun misinformation. If you used a D2X, ask yourself why sometimes ISO200 or ISO400 is superior to ISO100. The answer is in the D2X's aggressive noise reduction.

 

[mpenza]

Not true. Many qualify a pro Nikon lens if one of its attribute is a constant max f stop. It is not a marketing branding unlike...

As discussed before, it's a different marketing strategy. I'm sure there are good non-constant max f stop lens from Nikon too that many (even pros) won't mind using.

Each lens has to be evaluated on its own. A lens won't be popular and widely used if the performance is poor (whether it's constant max f-stop, L, ED, etc doesn't matter). A non-ED or non-L lens could be popular and widely used (of course not all could afford it) if the performance is good.

If I may say so, the current crop of L lenses and top end Nikon lenses have been keeping up with the reputation built over the years.

 

[mpenza]

Untrue? Then pray tell, why does the buffer drops when you push up the ISO? Isn't the NR algorithmn behind working thus the buffer has to drop because the processing power is split?

Different ways of working lah. The other way of looking at it would be Canon could optimise the processing such that the at lower ISOs, the efficient processing allows for a larger buffer.

But why worry so much with the buffer since both should be sufficient. If the user really require a large buffer, go for the top end pro models from either manufacturer.

 

[Belle&Sebastain]

Chseah, only advice I can seriously give you, with all this chatter here, is to not listen to anyone here. Objectivity here is low with the fanboism running right through the roof.

I'll be flamed for this, but who cares. Anyone who says one brand is better than the other, is nothing more than a fanboy who is championing the brand they favor.

Chseah, ask yourself. Have you seen pictures taken from Canon cameras which made you go, "Eww, Nikon cameras will take this better." Have you seen pictures taken from Nikon cameras which made you go, "Eww, that photographer should use Olympus." No. The only thing a photograph should do to you is entice you with what the content of the picture.

Famous photographers like Alfred A. Blaker are able to use even disposable cameras to take excellent pictures. If a lowly disposable camera takes money shots, what is it that you really cannot do with a >$1000 camera?

sorry, i think this is the most sensible post in the entire thread. really no need to lost sleep over it and ignore the chatter, we like a good fight sometimes.

goodnight everyone.

 

[jamestan]

May be. But if you take one lens to make your decision, then I can say that OTOH, Canon DSLR cannot take some image. Slower vs cannot... :dunno: I wonder what those photographers who use manual focus systems produce....


Does the 8mp vs 6mp matter? 6mp can print 24x36 (I have done so). Does the extra 504 x 336 pixels matter?

1. That was meant as an example, fyi. I need the speed of focusing. If you can use manual 100-400 and produce WOW pictures ON SEA, then good for you. I cannot. My level of skill not there. OK??

2. It does when you need to crop.