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[mimik07]

121.

Hi Zul, I think this will have more impact in black and white. Did you give it a go?

If my eyes are not playing any tricks on me, I think I see some minor posterization at the bottom left frame. :think:

 

[night86mare]

121.

just a few quick questions for you -

what is your compositional idea here?

what are some flaws that you can see in the image?

self critique is the most important in photography, most of the time.

 

[r00ki3]

Hi Zul, I think this will have more impact in black and white. Did you give it a go?

If my eyes are not playing any tricks on me, I think I see some minor posterization at the bottom left frame. :think:

Hi Alvin, I did but somehow decided to upload this. You are right there was posterization like you mentioned :embrass:

just a few quick questions for you -

what is your compositional idea here?

what are some flaws that you can see in the image?

self critique is the most important in photography, most of the time.

Hi night86mare,

I noticed that the clouds were moving towards the horizon as with the rock formation.I composed it as such that that the clouds and the rocks (the 2 small rocks on he left included) were leading to a specific land/object on the horizon. With that in mind I edited and processed it as such that all were leading towards the tiny 'islet'.

The banding on the bottom left was very obvious. I admit I overdid this during editing/processing. I do not have a specific workflow for my processing and this was done, like the rest of my pics through trial and feel, try to get the right tonal range and contrast as much as possible. As such I do not have the 'discipline' to follow a specific workflow and it's 'numbers' :embrass:
The 'cloning' was not done very well either

I found the composition was also 'lopsided' as there were too much empty space on the left save for the 2 small 'leading' rocks. But I uploaded it anyway this to see if can work for others, as I found it quite acceptable, looking from a minimalistic point of view,I think.
I believe there are other flaws/weaknesses which I have overlook.

From the feedbacks gathered from you and Alvin, this is indeed a poorly taken image :sweat:

Thanks night86mare for your feedback. I just hope there are improvements on my part after all the comments and suggestions given by you and others.

 

[wildcat]

#122 is nice :heart: I like!!

 

[r00ki3]

122.

 

[r00ki3]

#122 is nice :heart: I like!!

:bsmilie: :bsmilie: you are faster then me bro! :sweatsm: :sweatsm:

 

[ZerocoolAstra]

bro, #122 composition I like very much, but it has a rather visible 'bands' of tones...
I think the term is 'posterization'... (?)

 

[r00ki3]

bro, #122 composition I like very much, but it has a rather visible 'bands' of tones...
I think the term is 'posterization'... (?)

Thanks Kev, yes banding is quite visible here too :embrass: . I'm still trying hard to prevent this. I guess my exposure for most of my shots are still wrong. That's why I think the banding issue comes out when I try to correct them when processing.

Yup, that's the term.

 

[mimik07]

Thanks Kev, yes banding is quite visible here too :embrass: . I'm still trying hard to prevent this. I guess my exposure for most of my shots are still wrong. That's why I think the banding issue comes out when I try to correct them when processing.

Yup, that's the term.

I think banding issues become much more visible especially when converted to B&W. :think:

Zul, care to enlighten me on the exposure issue you mentioned above? You mean you under/over expose your shots? I constantly find myself struggling with getting proper exposure for my LE.. :sweat:

 

[r00ki3]

I think banding issues become much more visible especially when converted to B&W. :think:

Zul, care to enlighten me on the exposure issue you mentioned above? You mean you under/over expose your shots? I constantly find myself struggling with getting proper exposure for my LE.. :sweat:

Thanks for visiting again Alvin. Yes you are right, it will be more visible in b&w, but at times in colour too for LE shots just like my previous pic showed :embrass:

Most of the time I overexposed my LE shots intentionally or otherwise, trying to get the details out from the object/s of my shots.I too am struggling with proper exposure for LEs especially during sunrise and sundown because of the fast changing light..
I always noticed posterization will occur when I adjust the exposure lower and/or the tonal range. I'm still grappling with my post-processing controls and techniques. As such I believe, if you manage to nail the right exposure or aboutt 1-stop higher, then you wouldn't have much problem with regards to banding..

I maybe wrong in my understanding here..maybe the more experienced here will lighten us further..I have to search further in here for this issue..

 

[wildcat]

Generally I used to have these banding issues too, and I believe it's due to processing. Other than simple drop-all-colour kinda B&W conversion, I find if I push the bars for selective colour-to-B&W a bit too much, then will get these banding issues also.

It's one of the main reasons why I am trying to get everything right from camera rather than PP, to avoid the banding issue, and I am playing a lot less of the colour selection bars converting to B&W also. You can try to convert by dropping colours, then PP later, that might help also. Or use the gradient tool (but I find that this gives too much of a straight hard-line and have stopped using it a while ago already).

 

[night86mare]

Thanks Kev, yes banding is quite visible here too :embrass: . I'm still trying hard to prevent this. I guess my exposure for most of my shots are still wrong. That's why I think the banding issue comes out when I try to correct them when processing.

Yup, that's the term.

banding issues arise because of either:

1) aggressive PP, conversion to BnW when pushing one channel too hard can give that
2) compression

or a combination of both. if the banding is present in your large size picture, it is the first, if it only appears when you resize it and ONLY when you upload to web (i.e. looks fine in photoshop), i have heard that you can do something about this, but no one has ever told me how to do so..... :cry:

 

[night86mare]

I found the composition was also 'lopsided' as there were too much empty space on the left save for the 2 small 'leading' rocks. But I uploaded it anyway this to see if can work for others, as I found it quite acceptable, looking from a minimalistic point of view,I think.
I believe there are other flaws/weaknesses which I have overlook.

i think the issue here is the ineffective use of space.

i can't say that 2 rocks make an effective leading line - best to only see lines where there are lines, otherwise 2 people holding hands would also be a leading line. it's fine to connect two dots in reality and call it a line, but in photographs, one should be more explicit than that.

#122 gives a better example of "negative space" used well.

space should only be present when it is useful - in the form of breathing space around an element you wish to highlight, in the form of giving the mood of solitude (like #122), starkness, etc.

if you cover the left side of #121, does it look better? if it does, then the space is ineffective. when it is ineffective, then my personal rule of thumb is to get rid of it.

 

[r00ki3]

i think the issue here is the ineffective use of space.

i can't say that 2 rocks make an effective leading line - best to only see lines where there are lines, otherwise 2 people holding hands would also be a leading line. it's fine to connect two dots in reality and call it a line, but in photographs, one should be more explicit than that.

#122 gives a better example of "negative space" used well.

space should only be present when it is useful - in the form of breathing space around an element you wish to highlight, in the form of giving the mood of solitude (like #122), starkness, etc.

if you cover the left side of #121, does it look better? if it does, then the space is ineffective. when it is ineffective, then my personal rule of thumb is to get rid of it.

Thanks! and yes when I covered the left side, it does look better! thanks again for the critique and comment night86mare. Really appreciate this

 

[r00ki3]

You can try to convert by dropping colours, then PP later, that might help also. Or use the gradient tool (but I find that this gives too much of a straight hard-line and have stopped using it a while ago already).

mmm..I never thought of doing it the other way round when I have the intention to convert to B&W..maybe I should try this..
Thanks for the tip bro.

 

[ahming111]

121.

i have the exact same shot except mine was not LE.

you shld have done it potrait, will make a diff for this shot. landscape form has too much space

 

[mimik07]

Thanks to N86M, Zul and WC for the valuable insights!

Learnt something new on PP and the effects of 'negative space'. Will look to factor in all these pointers going forward when I shoot

Cheers.

Thanks for visiting again Alvin. Yes you are right, it will be more visible in b&w, but at times in colour too for LE shots just like my previous pic showed :embrass:

Most of the time I overexposed my LE shots intentionally or otherwise, trying to get the details out from the object/s of my shots.I too am struggling with proper exposure for LEs especially during sunrise and sundown because of the fast changing light..
I always noticed posterization will occur when I adjust the exposure lower and/or the tonal range. I'm still grappling with my post-processing controls and techniques. As such I believe, if you manage to nail the right exposure or aboutt 1-stop higher, then you wouldn't have much problem with regards to banding..

I maybe wrong in my understanding here..maybe the more experienced here will lighten us further..I have to search further in here for this issue..

banding issues arise because of either:

1) aggressive PP, conversion to BnW when pushing one channel too hard can give that
2) compression

or a combination of both. if the banding is present in your large size picture, it is the first, if it only appears when you resize it and ONLY when you upload to web (i.e. looks fine in photoshop), i have heard that you can do something about this, but no one has ever told me how to do so..... :cry:

i think the issue here is the ineffective use of space.

i can't say that 2 rocks make an effective leading line - best to only see lines where there are lines, otherwise 2 people holding hands would also be a leading line. it's fine to connect two dots in reality and call it a line, but in photographs, one should be more explicit than that.

#122 gives a better example of "negative space" used well.

space should only be present when it is useful - in the form of breathing space around an element you wish to highlight, in the form of giving the mood of solitude (like #122), starkness, etc.

if you cover the left side of #121, does it look better? if it does, then the space is ineffective. when it is ineffective, then my personal rule of thumb is to get rid of it.

Generally I used to have these banding issues too, and I believe it's due to processing. Other than simple drop-all-colour kinda B&W conversion, I find if I push the bars for selective colour-to-B&W a bit too much, then will get these banding issues also.

It's one of the main reasons why I am trying to get everything right from camera rather than PP, to avoid the banding issue, and I am playing a lot less of the colour selection bars converting to B&W also. You can try to convert by dropping colours, then PP later, that might help also. Or use the gradient tool (but I find that this gives too much of a straight hard-line and have stopped using it a while ago already).

 

[r00ki3]

Thanks to N86M, Zul and WC for the valuable insights!

Learnt something new on PP and the effects of 'negative space'. Will look to factor in all these pointers going forward when I shoot

Cheers.

I'm glad we all learnt something out of this Alvin

 

[r00ki3]

i have the exact same shot except mine was not LE.

you shld have done it potrait, will make a diff for this shot. landscape form has too much space

Yup I saw your version. Thanks for your suggestion. Will definitely give it more thought when composing

 

[r00ki3]

123.

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