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You can format the SD card in two format, FAT and FAT32. S3 IS only format to one type (I duno which, haven't check), anyway just look at the results for both cases......Ultimax doesn't look good. I also dun understand why the results is such when 150X should be faster......could be due to another reason, SLC and MLC card type, which is another thingy.:confused:

wishxtreme said:
Can you explain more on the FAT tingy? not so understand the numbers you provided.. Sorry i am a newbie in this type of technology.

Thanks
 

Eastgear selling Kingston Elite Pro SD 2GB (50X) @ $80, but you must print out from here and to show to the staff to get at $80 instead of $90.

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lastboltnut said:
Taken from another forum:

The benchmarking of some SD cards:

NCP 1GB High Speed @ FAT ~ 1184
Kingston 512MB @ FAT ~ 960
Kingston 1GB MMC Plus @ FAT ~ 948
Kingston 1GB Ultimate (133x) @ FAT ~ 754

NCP 1GB High Speed @ FAT32 ~ 729
Kingston 512MB @ FAT32 ~ 725
Kingston 1GB Ultimate (133x) @ FAT32 ~ 696
Kingston 1GB MMC Plus @ FAT32 ~ 670

The Ultimate doesn't look so good......
Hmmm figures tell a different story... What brand is NCP?
Seems that they also tested 2 other kingston SD cards, what is the 512MB one that seems to be better than the ultimate? Normal speed card? These should be write speeds correct? In bytes per sec?

If i'm not wrong, the FAT stands for File Allocation Tables, it is a way of how the card is formatted and how data is written into the memory.
 

lastboltnut said:
You can format the SD card in two format, FAT and FAT32. S3 IS only format to one type (I duno which, haven't check), anyway just look at the results for both cases......Ultimax doesn't look good. I also dun understand why the results is such when 150X should be faster......could be due to another reason, SLC and MLC card type, which is another thingy.:confused:

Please allow me to give a mini tutorial and do feel free to correct me if I am totally wrong.

FAT was actually written by a kid called Bill Gates in a hotel room. He used it for DOS and the rest is history. In the past, cameras format cards using FAT. No problem. Then cards started to breach the 2GB mark and a problem arose coz FAT could only partition up to 2GB.

MS overcome this problem by inventing FAT32 which could create partitions exceeding 2GB. But older cameras could not recognise FAT32 formatted cards. Hence, you find a lot of the older digital cameras being unable to accept cards larger than 2GB. Actually, the correct reason is that they cannot read cards formatted using FAT32. And if you format using FAT, you can only get max 2GB even if your card is 4GB.

Reports indicate that from S1 to S3, all these cameras can accept FAT32 formatted cards and therefore can use cards larger than 2GB. Reports also indicate that the newer Canon cameras including the S3 can do a in-camera format of cards larger than 2GB. For the "older" cameras, although you may be able to use FAT32 cards, it may be that you have to format them using your PC coz the camera may only format in FAT.

The first CD-ROM drive had access speeds of 150KB per second. Then, they managed to double the speed to 300KB/s (2x), 600KB/s (4x) and so on. Now, almost anything is measured according to this reference point of 150KB/s.

A Kingston Ultimate rated at 133x should mean a speed of 133x150 = about 20,000 KB/s or 20 MB/s. I am not aware of any Ultimax card rated at 150x. These ratings are not always accurate for a number of reasons. The write speeds may be much slower than the read speed, but the maker conveniently uses the read speed. Some cards perform better transferring certain types or sizes of files. Makers may use different factories and different suppliers to make the same range of cards, and their speeds may vary, depending on the batch and origin of the individual cards. And I think some makers are more conservative while others more willing to stretch their claims.

Memory cards use NAND flash technology and historically, they use Single Layer Cell (SLC) pioneered by Samsung, I believe. Every cell has either "1" or "0". This technology is already very established and the speed keeps getting faster and faster. The technology is very reliable and the failure rate is now about 1 in 100,000. Most of the higher speed and professional cards such as Kingston Elite Pro and Ultimate use SLC. Warranty for cards is typically lifetime.

But Toshiba invented Multi Layer Cell (MLC) technology. Using a glass of water as an example, the SLC method requires the glass to be completely empty or full. But in MLC, the glass can be empty, 1/3 full, 2/3 full or full. In other words, using the same amount of cells, the capacity is immediately doubled, resulting in cost savings. But the technology is more prone to inaccuracies and software is required to do error checking and correction. A higher voltage is also required for this purpose. The end result is a slower speed and higher failure rate of about 1 in 10,000. All the cheaper standard range cards such as the Kingston standard or Sandisk blue cards use MLC. You will also find that the warranty tends to be limited.

One or two years back, you must have encountered cases of devices, such as Smartphones, being unable to read certain types of cards. The reason is that these devices could not read those cards made using MLC technology.

Of course, MLC technology is evolving very fast. I read that Sandisk is also planning or maybe has already started to use MLC for its Ultra II range of cards. It may be that one day, all cards will be made using MLC or some even more complicated technology.
 

lastboltnut said:
IR filter only $49 nia?? I like IR pic, quite a number of my wedding photos are IR.....

ya...tk foto at shaw tower..beach rd there....didn't bother to bargain since the price is ok....eh...u go buy ir lens la...den we can have an outing lor.......
 

I buy lens oso difficult to go outing.....got baby to take care:cry: Haahaha:D

skyraider said:
ya...tk foto at shaw tower..beach rd there....didn't bother to bargain since the price is ok....eh...u go buy ir lens la...den we can have an outing lor.......
 

Good Tutorial:)
Any idea why Ultimate 150x performed like this?

tks said:
Please allow me to give a mini tutorial and do feel free to correct me if I am totally wrong.

FAT was actually written by a kid called Bill Gates in a hotel room. He used it for DOS and the rest is history. In the past, cameras format cards using FAT. No problem. Then cards started to breach the 2GB mark and a problem arose coz FAT could only partition up to 2GB.

MS overcome this problem by inventing FAT32 which could create partitions exceeding 2GB. But older cameras could not recognise FAT32 formatted cards. Hence, you find a lot of the older digital cameras being unable to accept cards larger than 2GB. Actually, the correct reason is that they cannot read cards formatted using FAT32. And if you format using FAT, you can only get max 2GB even if your card is 4GB.

Reports indicate that from S1 to S3, all these cameras can accept FAT32 formatted cards and therefore can use cards larger than 2GB. Reports also indicate that the newer Canon cameras including the S3 can do a in-camera format of cards larger than 2GB. For the "older" cameras, although you may be able to use FAT32 cards, it may be that you have to format them using your PC coz the camera may only format in FAT.

The first CD-ROM drive had access speeds of 150KB per second. Then, they managed to double the speed to 300KB/s (2x), 600KB/s (4x) and so on. Now, almost anything is measured according to this reference point of 150KB/s.

A Kingston Ultimate rated at 133x should mean a speed of 133x150 = about 20,000 KB/s or 20 MB/s. I am not aware of any Ultimax card rated at 150x. These ratings are not always accurate for a number of reasons. The write speeds may be much slower than the read speed, but the maker conveniently uses the read speed. Some cards perform better transferring certain types or sizes of files. Makers may use different factories and different suppliers to make the same range of cards, and their speeds may vary, depending on the batch and origin of the individual cards. And I think some makers are more conservative while others more willing to stretch their claims.

Memory cards use NAND flash technology and historically, they use Single Layer Cell (SLC) pioneered by Samsung, I believe. Every cell has either "1" or "0". This technology is already very established and the speed keeps getting faster and faster. The technology is very reliable and the failure rate is now about 1 in 100,000. Most of the higher speed and professional cards such as Kingston Elite Pro and Ultimate use SLC. Warranty for cards is typically lifetime.

But Toshiba invented Multi Layer Cell (MLC) technology. Using a glass of water as an example, the SLC method requires the glass to be completely empty or full. But in MLC, the glass can be empty, 1/3 full, 2/3 full or full. In other words, using the same amount of cells, the capacity is immediately doubled, resulting in cost savings. But the technology is more prone to inaccuracies and software is required to do error checking and correction. A higher voltage is also required for this purpose. The end result is a slower speed and higher failure rate of about 1 in 10,000. All the cheaper standard range cards such as the Kingston standard or Sandisk blue cards use MLC. You will also find that the warranty tends to be limited.

One or two years back, you must have encountered cases of devices, such as Smartphones, being unable to read certain types of cards. The reason is that these devices could not read those cards made using MLC technology.

Of course, MLC technology is evolving very fast. I read that Sandisk is also planning or maybe has already started to use MLC for its Ultra II range of cards. It may be that one day, all cards will be made using MLC or some even more complicated technology.
 

felixcat8888 said:
Shuumi,

Tot I saw a thread saying you bought the S3? Now also buy IXUS 800 IS?


NightZ88, lastboltnut, felixcat8888,

Yah... I bought the S3 liao.

I got 700bucks in best denki voucher... hold for 6mths liao
will expire dec this year... dunno what to buy from best denki...
so might as well get ixus800 lor... seems like good cam mah...
 

Wa! U rich leh. Why not go buy accessories?

shuumi said:
NightZ88, lastboltnut, felixcat8888,

Yah... I bought the S3 liao.

I got 700bucks in best denki voucher... hold for 6mths liao
will expire dec this year... dunno what to buy from best denki...
so might as well get ixus800 lor... seems like good cam mah...
 

I understand that for big Elec Stores, their camera and phone counters are sub-let to the tenant, so every outlet may have different line of product.

Or, shuumi, go buy XboX360 and sell to me 1/2 price lah! :bsmilie:

cerebrus said:
Dont think Best Denki has accesories.
 

lastboltnut said:
I understand that for big Elec Stores, their camera and phone counters are sub-let to the tenant, so every outlet may have different line of product.

Or, shuumi, go buy XboX360 and sell to me 1/2 price lah! :bsmilie:

heehee.... :bsmilie:

:think:

or maybe i can let go the 700 bucks worth of best denki vouchers for 650bucks...

:think:
 

lastboltnut said:
Wa! U rich leh. Why not go buy accessories?

no la... where got rich...
the voucher is free gift from singnet when i renewed my broadband subscription last year...

now bought s3 liao...
need to scrimp and save....

btw... been so busy with work that i havent played with it yet...
still sitting in the box...
:(

hope to try it out soon.....
 

tks said:
....Of course, MLC technology is evolving very fast. I read that Sandisk is also planning or maybe has already started to use MLC for its Ultra II range of cards. It may be that one day, all cards will be made using MLC or some even more complicated technology.

nice tutorial....

yesterday when i picked up my cam from MS Colour, that guy told me the speed we commonly saw in the memory card is actually referring to reading speed, not writing speed...is that true??
 

lastboltnut said:
Good Tutorial:)
Any idea why Ultimate 150x performed like this?

swing123 said:
nice tutorial....
yesterday when i picked up my cam from MS Colour, that guy told me the speed we commonly saw in the memory card is actually referring to reading speed, not writing speed...is that true??

Hello, you guys not very attentive students. Both your questions were addressed in my tutorial.
 

tks said:
Hello, you guys not very attentive students. Both your questions were addressed in my tutorial.
Tsk Tsk! :nono: Never lsiten to teacher!
 

tks said:
Hello, you guys not very attentive students. Both your questions were addressed in my tutorial.

oops, got to pardon me.....probably that's the main reason i failed my O level the last time.....alway day dreaming when teachers were talking.....:dunno:
 

Sorry, I mixed up the Kingston Ultimate 133X with TwinMos UltraX 150X. But I was asking why the performance of the Ultimate performs worst off then the ElitePro in the bench mark test?

tks said:
Hello, you guys not very attentive students. Both your questions were addressed in my tutorial.
 

lastboltnut said:
Sorry, I mixed up the Kingston Ultimate 133X with TwinMos UltraX 150X. But I was asking why the performance of the Ultimate performs worst off then the ElitePro in the bench mark test?
bro, r u getting a dry box for your S3?
 

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