Over exposure on D80

[sigurros]

hey dude if u bought ur camera be4 march than plz kindly go and redo ur firmware as they have a version 1.1 liao cause i juz updated mine last week cheers

According to our fellow CSer that there is indeed a firmware 1.1 for D80.

Does any owners of D80 have this firmware?

What update does it provide?

 

[nikkie]

You're pretty accurate in the description. You have any idea how to "tweak/hack" the firmware to downgrade to Matrix from Matrix II?

I did hear about some Canon 300/350D firmware hacking.

don't think there is any hack.
Matrix II is suitable for most users.
Matrix is very well accustomed by the long time Pros. But they won't detect the minute diff for Matrix II using 1005 segments.
D80's metering is more quickly swayed by the scene cos it is using 420 segment whereas D70 / D200 uses 1005 segment for determining the metering.
generally more segments means the metering more conservative (or the metering readings more 'sticky' during recomposing).

 

[KeefeSNAP]

At that price (D200), it better be. Anyways, congratulation on your D200 purchase. It's a good camera. I don't think I can afford that.

 

[relaxxjaxx]

The D80 has a 1.01 firmware upgrade, not a 1.1 upgrade.

The upgrades are as follows:


- The electronic analog exposure display will be displayed in the viewfinder when the brightness of the subject exceeds the range that can be controlled by the camera, whether too bright or too dark, in the following shooting modes:
- Shutter-priority auto (S) or Aperture-priority auto (A) exposure modes with the built-in flash up
- Programmed auto (P) exposure mode
- Effects of processing performed when the Long exp. NR item in the shooting menu is enabled have been improved.
- When attempting to edit images, which had already been edited using a computer, with options in the D80's retouch menu, the camera sometimes froze. Therefore, images that have been edited using a computer can no longer be edited using the camera.
- Errors in English, Polish, Swedish, and Traditional Chinese menus have been corrected.

Hope this helps!

 

[calebk]

wa lan no fair loh.. must send our cam there to get a firmware update. btw.. if its still under warrenty we can get it cleaned and serviced for free right

I don't think cleaning is free.

 

[zac08]

I don't think cleaning is free.

NSC do not charge for cleaning... at least not for me during my cam's warranty period.

 

[calebk]

NSC do not charge for cleaning... at least not for me during my cam's warranty period.

Good to hear. What about firmware updating? For Canon I know you can just download the firmware update to the CF, then update it yourself.

 

[zac08]

Good to hear. What about firmware updating? For Canon I know you can just download the firmware update to the CF, then update it yourself.

Same... I've updated my D200 the same way.

 

[lsisaxon]

Good to hear. What about firmware updating? For Canon I know you can just download the firmware update to the CF, then update it yourself.

Same for Nikon.
http://nikonasia-en.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nikonasia_en.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=4717

 

[TerryOng]

Just updated my firmware yesterday when i cleaned my dusty CCD. Everything done at no charge, but don't understand why they don't want to have online warranty registration. Never knew I could update my firmware myself. LOL.

 

[kkcharles82]

Having experience in my personal D80 and my uncle's D40s, I would say that both exposure metering is as accurate as they can get. Try NOT to use the matrix metering as you do not know what the camera is trying to compensate for. It could be that tiny little light somewhere in the scene or the glint from the ceiling light that you may be catching.

My personal setting for the D80 for point and shoot purpose is the centre weighted 8mm circle, and for critical shots using the spot metering. In fact, an experienced photographer should be able to use the spot metering and the AE-L together to control the exposure and composition of the shot itself. Perhaps everyone should also check that the shot you are seeing on the computer has the colour space setting of sRGB and not Adobe RGB or aRGB. This is a critical setting as your screen most likely will be operating with sRGB while what you see on the LCD of the camera is set to aRGB. This is a serious problem in both colour as well as exposure accuracy perceived by our eyes.

Check the following settings I mentioned and hope the shots turn out better. Shoot on!

 

[chanjyj]

Having experience in my personal D80 and my uncle's D40s, I would say that both exposure metering is as accurate as they can get. Try NOT to use the matrix metering as you do not know what the camera is trying to compensate for. It could be that tiny little light somewhere in the scene or the glint from the ceiling light that you may be catching.

My personal setting for the D80 for point and shoot purpose is the centre weighted 8mm circle, and for critical shots using the spot metering. In fact, an experienced photographer should be able to use the spot metering and the AE-L together to control the exposure and composition of the shot itself. Perhaps everyone should also check that the shot you are seeing on the computer has the colour space setting of sRGB and not Adobe RGB or aRGB. This is a critical setting as your screen most likely will be operating with sRGB while what you see on the LCD of the camera is set to aRGB. This is a serious problem in both colour as well as exposure accuracy perceived by our eyes.

Check the following settings I mentioned and hope the shots turn out better. Shoot on!

The prob is not whether we use cetre weighted avg. is the fact that matrix is "over exposing", and some people prefer the more conservative matrix instead of matrix II (D40 and D80)

 

[kkcharles82]

The main problem is that unless you want to go to fairly extremes like having D200 or even the D300s then you can talk about accurate exposure control automatically. In fact almost all point and shoot setting results in some form of under or over exposure. It is only by chance that you obtain "correct" or desirable exposure of a shot. Matrix metering can be fooled very easily.

 

[chanjyj]

The main problem is that unless you want to go to fairly extremes like having D200 or even the D300s then you can talk about accurate exposure control automatically. In fact almost all point and shoot setting results in some form of under or over exposure. It is only by chance that you obtain "correct" or desirable exposure of a shot. Matrix metering can be fooled very easily.

Everything you said is basically (fundamentally) correct.

In this thread however, I think (from my observations), people want their matrix metering to be accurate, like the D200/D70/s. They are not interested in the alternatives.

 

[ortega]

Everything you said is basically (fundamentally) correct.

In this thread however, I think (from my observations), people want their matrix metering to be accurate, like the D200/D70/s. They are not interested in the alternatives.

D200/D70/s matrix metering accurate?

You still need to know what is in your frame, if there is a very bright reflection in there somewhere, the D200/D70/s will expose for that highlight and underexpose the rest.
while the D40/D80 will expose for the shadow area and overexpose the rest.

know your camera and see what it sees.

 

[ortega]

I have used my D70 and now my D80 without problems
more expensive equipment will not cover for your inabilities

 

[chanjyj]

I have used my D70 and now my D80 without problems
more expensive equipment will not cover for your inabilities

this thread is going OT already-I think the original question was more of a "how to get original matrix style metering on the D80" rather than "how to improve my skill"

 

[psychobiologist]

D200/D70/s matrix metering accurate?

You still need to know what is in your frame, if there is a very bright reflection in there somewhere, the D200/D70/s will expose for that highlight and underexpose the rest.
while the D40/D80 will expose for the shadow area and overexpose the rest.

know your camera and see what it sees.

actually all are inaccurate bah...

given a scene, our eyes see a much better dynamic range than the cameras.

and which ever camera being used, i'll just dial in the exposure compensations just to approximately capture the exposure i desire in the scene. if all else fails.. dial in a few changes and shoot again

 

[chanjyj]

actually all are inaccurate bah...

given a scene, our eyes see a much better dynamic range than the cameras.

and which ever camera being used, i'll just dial in the exposure compensations just to approximately capture the exposure i desire in the scene. if all else fails.. dial in a few changes and shoot again

that is what I do. Comes naturally to me, so I don't have much hiccups with photo taking. Anyway, having shot with film, digital is one of the easiest transitions in this area.

But I believe people are asking for matrix metering as opposed to matrix II type metering on their cameras.

 

[lsisaxon]

this thread is going OT already-I think the original question was more of a "how to get original matrix style metering on the D80" rather than "how to improve my skill"

The answer is don't use.. use centre-weighted average instead.. ;p