Taiwan's economy is in a bad shape.
Our structural problem
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Taiwan's economy is in a bad shape.
While I can't be sure... it has been widely speculated that local Grads are... as the saying goes... "Not Hungry Enough"... much like alot of local youth and non grads...
* No to Shift Work
* No to certain pay below their 'education' level
* No to Physical demanding jobs
* No to jobs that gots one's hand 'dirty'
* No to service sector jobs
* Must 5 day week
* Must fulfill their interest
* Etc...
Again... individual person will have individual reason... and nobody is saying its the same for every grad or youth in SG... but seeing that our Grads can still expect a better starting pay and job opportunities... they could very well afford to be abit choosy. Job of an APO usually doesn't comes with the comfort of an all day aircon environment... and you'll likely use more physical energy than pushing a pen and hitting a keyboard... not forgetting the occasional cursing by members of the public which you can't react to... :bsmilie:
Could be also the very reason why service sector (waiters/sales/attendance) jobs are taken up by FW and Senior Citizens instead of local youth (which is common in taipei when I was there). The company which I work for have trouble getting the younger generation to join for years and years... most will try out a year or at the most, two... most don't like the shiftwork which is a requirement...
I was very 'Hungry' when I join my current company 18yrs ago... maybe people are not as hungry now... :think:
one eye jack
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It's a human condition thing...what graduate or parent would want to "boast" he is an APO.
Status and class,sooner or later youths in sg will have to come down to earth like those in
taiwan,korea,japan and china about real life.Not the instant fame and riches of show business.Just look at the sad stories of women who had plastic surgery gone wrong for fame or other reasons.
There's no easy path...
Not all are born equal.But like minister Mah Bow Tan's son who is a high ranking police officer but he's a scholar.
Status and class,sooner or later youths in sg will have to come down to earth like those in
taiwan,korea,japan and china about real life.Not the instant fame and riches of show business.Just look at the sad stories of women who had plastic surgery gone wrong for fame or other reasons.
There's no easy path...
Not all are born equal.But like minister Mah Bow Tan's son who is a high ranking police officer but he's a scholar.
Not all are born equal.But like minister Mah Bow Tan's son who is a high ranking police officer but he's a scholar.
If you are a scholar, not only you will fly high in uniform group but also in any civil service organisations.
Don't forget that Singapore subscribed to meritocracy.
And may I just add that not all Scholars have a Minister Father...
My neighbor's (2 door pass) son, is a President Scholar... Not sure what the father work as... the mother is a housewife... they and me live in a 4Rm HDB on the northern part of S'pore for the pass 18+yrs... don't think the family own a Car... still see the son walking towards the MRT Station in the morning...
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Yes, not all scholars have minister or MP parent(s).
If you do have, then you are a white horse. Your career will be well planned.
So... if you are NOT a 'White Horse', but a Scholar nevertheless... your career WON'T be well planned ?? :bsmilie:
Are you saying the Govt is giving expensive scholarship to produce Scholars from normal families... but will not plan for those scholars careers ?? :bsmilie:
Don't get me wrong. As long as you are a scholar, you should do pretty decent well in career.
However, if your parent (s) is a MP or minister or holding high ranking in civil services, your career may be different from a normal scholar.
As long as the results are there to justify the career there's nothing wrong with it. It gets fishy if substandard schooling results still result in some form of higher career and better students are dropped in favor of this protégé kid.
Could be.... :think:
Just as any capable scholar with the correct working attitude, drives, intelligence, etc... could have a difference, and better, career path than just a 'normal' Scholar... same could be be said for most Non-Scholars too...
But the issue is... will that person, the Scholar, be Happy in his/her 'given' Career path ?? They may be interested in making you a card carrying party member and future minister... but does it mean you'll be interested ??
CISCO want combat fit guys as APO.
Even if the local want the job, they may not be able to pass the fitness test
Surely some will be able to do so... since 60+% of their workforce is made out of S'porean... but at the same time... surely alot of those 15580 who was laid off won't be fit enough for the job... middle management, white collar type that has been pushing pens/pencils and banging on keyboards for far too many years....
CISCO does have to keep a certain standard...
I read about the Certis-Cisco recruitment drive in the Taiwanese media. To Taiwanese, the pay package is quite attractive because starting pay for fresh grads have been stagnant for more than 10 years. Even if the cost of living is high, what Cisco is paying is almost 2.5 times the average pay for grads over there.
It is not always about getting cheaper labor from overseas, there are many jobs here which have difficulties recruiting due to our affluent lifestyle here no matter how much the employers pay. Such as childcare assistants, F&B, security guards, construction work etc. Some jobs such as childcare assistants and F&B here are actually quite popular with Taiwanese. And they may actually be more qualified that the usual Singaporeans in these jobs. Childcare assistants and F&B staff in Taiwan are usually graduates from vocation schools.
Another example are flight attendants, SIA's requirements for flight attendants in Korea/Taiwan is an university degree (even better if you have gone to a private flight attendant school), while in Singapore it's minimally 5 O levels passes. Regardless of whether foreign degrees are recognised here (this is an artificial barrier， no real value except for nationalistic job protectionism), it is extremely hard to argue that foreign degrees are not superior to O levels in terms of education qualification. The point is if we are concerned about national brands and our lifestyle in general, why then do we lower the bars for ourselves?
It is not always about getting cheaper labor from overseas, there are many jobs here which have difficulties recruiting due to our affluent lifestyle here no matter how much the employers pay. Such as childcare assistants, F&B, security guards, construction work etc. Some jobs such as childcare assistants and F&B here are actually quite popular with Taiwanese. And they may actually be more qualified that the usual Singaporeans in these jobs. Childcare assistants and F&B staff in Taiwan are usually graduates from vocation schools.
Another example are flight attendants, SIA's requirements for flight attendants in Korea/Taiwan is an university degree (even better if you have gone to a private flight attendant school), while in Singapore it's minimally 5 O levels passes. Regardless of whether foreign degrees are recognised here (this is an artificial barrier， no real value except for nationalistic job protectionism), it is extremely hard to argue that foreign degrees are not superior to O levels in terms of education qualification. The point is if we are concerned about national brands and our lifestyle in general, why then do we lower the bars for ourselves?
Bukitimah
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As long as there are alternatives (in our case, cheaper labour cost), the vision of the company can be sideline. The whole concept is about providing the numbers to meet the contract. For security, it is well known that we are very short of manpower. So if you are unhappy with a particular officer, they will rotate among the contracts.
I believe Resorts World Sentosa casino is still operating, just not making that much money.
Time to call in Robocop :bsmilie:
After recruiting from Taiwan, where next? Nepal ?
IMHO, we are going down a slippery slope, solving one problem creating another issue in the future.
Furthermore this little red dot sooner or later will run out of space.
Cheers, Happy New Year
After recruiting from Taiwan, where next? Nepal ?
IMHO, we are going down a slippery slope, solving one problem creating another issue in the future.
Furthermore this little red dot sooner or later will run out of space.
Cheers, Happy New Year
Sion
Senior Member
Don't underesitmate Singapore usable space.
It can contain at least 7m people. Now Singapore population is around 5.5m only. We can still accommodate more people.
Sion
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