Our structural problem
- Thread starter UncleFai
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I think you oversimplify.
Without knowing where these workers were laid off (industry, companies, qualifications, skills, background) this number is of limited value.
Secondly, every day jobs are also created and people are hired. Do we know how many of this 15,580 people got a new job already?
Last but not least, a mechanic cannot become a security officer over night.
The call for hiring from abroad is the age-old standard approach of Singapore: quickly get the people in, quickly get them out of no longer needed. But this has no substance or value and I am a bit surprised that Certis goes that way.
Without knowing where these workers were laid off (industry, companies, qualifications, skills, background) this number is of limited value.
Secondly, every day jobs are also created and people are hired. Do we know how many of this 15,580 people got a new job already?
Last but not least, a mechanic cannot become a security officer over night.
The call for hiring from abroad is the age-old standard approach of Singapore: quickly get the people in, quickly get them out of no longer needed. But this has no substance or value and I am a bit surprised that Certis goes that way.
How many of the 15580 workers are of the fitness... age... that could do the job ??
Or are those laid off instantly going to be 'reassigned' to Certis-CISCO just because they have lost their previous job... :think:
UncleFai
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Certis-CISCO is hiring 120. Of the 15,580 cannot find 120 that meet their criteria? Or those that can find their offer sucks?
UncleFai
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May be. But you would agree with me that there is a structural problem here, no?
Q3 2016 already exceeding 13,000. So it is not rosy.
That would be interesting to know.
Hence, the structural problem. But then security officer is not a rocket scientist that takes years of rigorous training. Those they seeking to recruit in Taiwan also not necessarily security industry old-timers or even trained for that job.
And Certis-CISCO is Temasek owned.
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So what if it is government owned?
As stated in the media, Cisco is recruiting 120 university graduates, aged 20 to 40, on a 2 years contracts from Taiwan.
Successful candidates will get a monthly salary of NT$60,000 (S$2,700) and an additional bonus when they have completed their contracts. They are also eligible for overtime pay, quoted the ST.
Now back to Singapore, which University graduate wanted to become a APO drawing a monthly salary of $2,700? The working hours are long, etc.
This explains why Cisco is facing huge shortage of manpower especially after the rise of terrorism in recent years. There are just not enough APOs to go around.
Sourcing overseas manpower is a viable option.
Successful candidates will get a monthly salary of NT$60,000 (S$2,700) and an additional bonus when they have completed their contracts. They are also eligible for overtime pay, quoted the ST.
Now back to Singapore, which University graduate wanted to become a APO drawing a monthly salary of $2,700? The working hours are long, etc.
This explains why Cisco is facing huge shortage of manpower especially after the rise of terrorism in recent years. There are just not enough APOs to go around.
Sourcing overseas manpower is a viable option.
JJFAM
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This Uni category was chosen...non other than literacy in the command of English in SG, degrees from ROC are not all recognised here. Therefore can't really make a comparison with local Uni grads, just 2-cents.
Of course, the quality of uni graduates differs from the 2 countries.
The issue is here who as a Singaporean wanted to become an APO, especially our own graduates? Do you want to become a APO if you are a graduate from NTU, NUS, SMU, etc?
UncleFai
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So any company here that says "I want graduates but will only pay 1/2 market rate hence we need to hire from abroad" - is free to do so?
This is nothing new.
Almost all employers wanted to pay as less as possible.
For APO, can Cisco pay $5,000 or more for a local graduate so that it can attract them? The answer is obviously no.
Be realistic. Cisco cannot afford such pay scheme. As such, not many graduates wanted to join. Therefore, in order for Cisco to meet the demand, it has to go beyond Singapore to look for manpower.
It is the same for buses. Many Malaysians and PRCs are coming to Singapore to fill the gap in the bus services.
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UncleFai
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Hence our addiction to cheap labour... and our current social and political problems.
If you are a boss, will you pay $5,000 for a local graduate or $2,700 for a Taiwanese graduate, doing the same job?
Assuming quality is the same.
If you believe in globalization, then this is a norm.
Unless you are a believer of nationalism, protectionism, anti-globalization, then your argument holds better water.
UncleFai
Senior Member
Hence we have a structural issue. Either our worker population's expectation is unrealistic or our employers are allowed to cheat and screw the workers.
Do you have the answer?
UncleFai
Senior Member
Sadly, no - not smart enough. I just see problems ahead. May be the brighter folks will have the answers.
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