Haha i like the way you put it! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Orient Photo @ Sim Lim Square #06-31/53
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Haha i like the way you put it! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
whether grey set or not, you just have to do your necessary homework to check if the shop you buy from is reliable or not...
The shop is abit to new to determine if it's reliable. But I like what I am seeing and the service I get there is good so I am now a repeat cutomer there.
StreetShooter
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For the record, I do own a couple of grey items - my 70-200mm f2.8 IS and my Sigma 24-70 f2.8. Both excellent quality, no problems. One bought from AP, the other from Camera Workshop.
Grey items and B grade are two different things, they are not the same.......
Nikon does sell refurbished items, BUT they will do so in a DIFFERENT box, with thew words 'Refurbished by Nikon' on it........so it is clearly stated.
What I do find harmful is that people state comments here without any proof, but however this is true or not it DOES harm the shop as it can take away potential customers......unless you have proof that these grey items are fakes, or refurbished or 'rejects', all these are plain assumptions, and they can be harmful lah! I just hoped you guys would see this......
As for store returns: Cathay does exactly the same....do I see anyone complain here?
Hong Sien
Grey items and B grade are two different things, they are not the same.......
What I do find harmful is that people state comments here without any proof, but however this is true or not it DOES harm the shop as it can take away potential customers......unless you have proof that these grey items are fakes, or refurbished or 'rejects', all these are plain assumptions, and they can be harmful lah! I just hoped you guys would see this......
As for store returns: Cathay does exactly the same....do I see anyone complain here?
Hong Sien
It seems that assumption that takes away potential customers from shop is not encourage, and what about assumption that protect the consumers from unscrupulous shop, must this be discourage? This are purely information that should be taken at the consideration value and let ppl decide whethe does the information benefit them. You might scorn at my comment but it might ring a bell to other people who have doubts about what they buy. At the end of day, collective information will help other consumers to be more inform about their purchase. Shooting down other ppl comments and you making your own assumption that QC in electronics and camera is higher. You are after all not in a professional position to make that comment too. Must we assumpt that your statement is positive or should we do some thinking on our own.
I believe there are ppl here who does not know 'B' grade product exist and it is good to know that such business practice do exist in this global trade. Knowing this information, I believe ppl here can make their own conclusion. But to discourage other ppl to make such comment, do you think it is beneficial for the consumer. If the shop prove itself, it will prove itself.
And I do not imply that OP sell 'B' grade stuffs. you can't deny the probability exist and they are still new. Some guys mention about the poor quality Lowepro products.
We can observe and see that they practice good business ethics by honouring guarantee and not pushing away the blame?
Ultimately, time will tell whether this is a good shop.Afterall this is a forum where information exchange.
It seems that assumption that takes away potential customers from shop is not encourage, and what about assumption that protect the consumers from unscrupulous shop, must this be discourage? This are purely information that should be taken at the consideration value and let ppl decide whethe does the information benefit them. You might scorn at my comment but it might ring a bell to other people who have doubts about what they buy. At the end of day, collective information will help other consumers to be more inform about their purchase. Shooting down other ppl comments and you making your own assumption that QC in electronics and camera is higher. You are after all not in a professional position to make that comment too. Must we assumpt that your statement is positive or should we do some thinking on our own.
I believe there are ppl here who does not know 'B' grade product exist and it is good to know that such business practice do exist in this global trade. Knowing this information, I believe ppl here can make their own conclusion. But to discourage other ppl to make such comment, do you think it is beneficial for the consumer. If the shop prove itself, it will prove itself.
And I do not imply that OP sell 'B' grade stuffs. you can't deny the probability exist and they are still new. Some guys mention about the poor quality Lowepro products.
We can observe and see that they practice good business ethics by honouring guarantee and not pushing away the blame?
Afterall this is a forum where information exchange.
I do tend to agree with what simdavid said.
Although we are discussing about grey in a thread about OP's services, but this in no way infers that OP is selling grey, defective goods.
In reality, should we be casting grey goods in a negative light, this will impact only only OP, but also the other grey goods merchants (AP, TCW) - although they may not be as big in scale as OP.
Having said that, I think this topic of discussion has gone quite OT to the original purpose of the thread, so maybe let's try to conclude this and move on...
I'm itching to ask OP for some more quotes again.
I think you don't know that I do trade in cameras and lenses but not in or from Singapore, off course helping people with information is good. But not with false information or with assumptions......It seems that assumption that takes away potential customers from shop is not encourage, and what about assumption that protect the consumers from unscrupulous shop, must this be discourage? This are purely information that should be taken at the consideration value and let ppl decide whethe does the information benefit them. You might scorn at my comment but it might ring a bell to other people who have doubts about what they buy. At the end of day, collective information will help other consumers to be more inform about their purchase. Shooting down other ppl comments and you making your own assumption that QC in electronics and camera is higher. You are after all not in a professional position to make that comment too. Must we assumpt that your statement is positive or should we do some thinking on our own.
I believe there are ppl here who does not know 'B' grade product exist and it is good to know that such business practice do exist in this global trade. Knowing this information, I believe ppl here can make their own conclusion. But to discourage other ppl to make such comment, do you think it is beneficial for the consumer. If the shop prove itself, it will prove itself.
And I do not imply that OP sell 'B' grade stuffs. you can't deny the probability exist and they are still new. Some guys mention about the poor quality Lowepro products.
We can observe and see that they practice good business ethics by honouring guarantee and not pushing away the blame?
Afterall this is a forum where information exchange.
Like I said before there are NO rejects in cameras/lenses being resold, refurbished items are sold NOT in original boxes but in GREY coloured boxes and stated 'Refurbished....' as I said before. And I have seen this in Shanghai where there was a refurbished Nikon D80 body being sold as a refurbished camera in its grey coloured box as opposed to the original Nikon gold/black box, and also stated "refurbished by Nikon" (the latter as far as I can remeber)
What you and SS are implying is that these rejects or refurbished items (e.g. not new items) are being sold in their original Nikon (gold colour) boxes, which I dispute here.......
I hope this clears the matter? And I don't think this is OT as it does involve the shop Orient Photo (to which I have no affiliation before someone else assumes this again he he he)
Below is OT:
As for rejects clothing: these are typically sold with their labels removed, items in Factory outlets are as far as I know last years models, not the current ones and are sold at a discount (go to HK to see this, you have Esprit outlets everywhere, and for other brands too, in Europe they have outlets for big brabnds as Versace, Gucci, etc).
Hong Sien
King Tiger
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Ok. Back to Orient Photo.
I went Orient Photo personally today after reading the past few pages in this thread.
I do agree that Orient Photos' staff provide a very good service.
I feel comfortable looking and handling their tripods and accessories with ease without them
sticking close to me.
They will come to attend to me when I need help.
Even if I dun buy anything and enquire about price only, they are willing to attend to me as a VIP customer.
What can I say.
Excellent Good Service :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
If Lords is the sheep among the wolfs in Lucky Plaza, then
Orient Photo is sheeo among the wolfs in Sim Lim Square.
I went Orient Photo personally today after reading the past few pages in this thread.
I do agree that Orient Photos' staff provide a very good service.
I feel comfortable looking and handling their tripods and accessories with ease without them
sticking close to me.
They will come to attend to me when I need help.
Even if I dun buy anything and enquire about price only, they are willing to attend to me as a VIP customer.
What can I say.
Excellent Good Service :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
If Lords is the sheep among the wolfs in Lucky Plaza, then
Orient Photo is sheeo among the wolfs in Sim Lim Square.
King Tiger
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If Lords is the sheep among the wolfs in Lucky Plaza, then
Orient Photo is sheep among the wolfs in Sim Lim Square.
Orient Photo is sheep among the wolfs in Sim Lim Square.
zaxh81
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i agree,today was in SLS buying some stuffs so pay orient photo a visit.
Saw a sub $300 stuff which i was eyeing and surprised to hear the nett price was $20 below the last mass order price on CS.:bigeyes:
And even when i did not buy,there is still a smile on their face.:thumbsup: :heart:
Saw a sub $300 stuff which i was eyeing and surprised to hear the nett price was $20 below the last mass order price on CS.:bigeyes:
And even when i did not buy,there is still a smile on their face.:thumbsup: :heart:
Geez, you speak like you are a person in authority and know it all. The Nike products that I bought had the same label, same tag, exactly the same design and I can't see the defects at all. It's not comestic blemishes and it is not defintely not reject as waste. They don't make it to the main shop, I don't know why and is a waste to throw away. That's why they are B grade. It is sold in a respectable shop call NIKE factory outlet with the NIKE neon sign. This example is used to illustrate the existence of B grade products.
Your knowledge do not represent the photographics global industry situation. You don't see B grade NIKE products in Singapore. You are also assuming in a plausible scenario.
The concern with OP is that it is still a new shop that hasn't prove it worth. My information in this forum is in no way harming their sales anyway, but you are making a personal attack to make other ppl shut up and restrainting them to voice up their opinion just because you trade d cameras and lens. It doesn't make you a fuller person then we are. And BTW, we are not only talking about cameras and lens, how about the rest of the photograhic supplies in the supply chain?
Respect freedom of speech in this forum, people here read and draw their own conclusions. I do not enjoy you bashing down my comments in a MR know it all attitude. We are forum members here and let's respect each other.
Shop that sell grey products is a good alternative since it create competition to mainstream but there is always a risk as to the source of the grey products. The manufacturer will not harm their reputation themselves but we cannot said the same for the links in the supply chain that want to squeeze another buck or so. So it's a buyer beware situation but collective information in this forum give power of knowledge to other potential buyers in this forum. If the shop prove it worth by supplying reliable grey products, readers in here will gladly recommend them despite what you and I said here.
Afterall, this forum exist to give readers information to make inform purchase. More and more OP buyers will give their information about their experiences. Shall we take it from there?
All i can say is that foreign talents are waking up complacent singaporeans...:thumbsup:
Was this a current Nike model? I doubt it so, as you bought it in a factory outlet, as I said before: these are the older models (out of season), not the current models......and they are not rejects (thats what you assumed), that's why you didn't see any defects......
Some may be rejects but the (factory outlet) shop will remove the labels, OR state clearly that they are.
Current Nike models are not sold in these factory outlets.....
Why don't you read what I typed before?
I don't claim to be a know it all, I only write what I do know, I just don't like it when people are assuming. These things can lead their own life..........
It seems like you feel attacked by me, but please understand it is not personal, it is just the info you are writing is not correct, am I wrong to correct it? This is a discussion and not a debate anyway (if you know what the difference is), peace OK?
HS
grantyale
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The scary story is that it has happened taht the authorized wholesellers sell B-grade or even fake goods to the retailers in China. Both the retailers and consumers have to be careful...
As for OP - I don't really care especially if it's about buying things like Sigma lenses - they're kinda B-grade to start with anyway regarding their QC. Know what you are buying and what you should expect from it.
As for OP - I don't really care especially if it's about buying things like Sigma lenses - they're kinda B-grade to start with anyway regarding their QC. Know what you are buying and what you should expect from it.
I rest my case, but I like to clarify that because I am the person buying that Nike products, not you.
I said in the earlier post that the shop put up a sign telling buyers this is a B grade product. After I bought this product, I happen to see the same item SELLING in the popular sport equipment shop in the high class shopping mall, therefore not outdated and I happen to like fashion. Therefore, I came to know of the price difference. The labels, TAGS, all remain and if it wasn't the sign, no one would know this is B grade, so it was ethics in the first place.
I do not enjoy you assuming my experiences. Would anyone enjoy that?
The readers will draw their own conclusion, I am moving on.
Ouch....!
Well, the shop did put up a sign telling it is a B grade, and now you are calling them unethical?
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