my xmas present is E5
:devil::devil::devil::devil::devil:
:bsmilie:I hope someone would give me E5+12-60 as my XMAS present also
:bsmilie:
No no. I don't mean that. I also wish Santa sent me a E-5 as a Christmas present. I will add one more wish, 14-35mm SWD. :bsmilie:I know bro "dream on albertri dream on" :bsmilie:
No no. I don't mean that. I also wish Santa sent me a E-5 as a Christmas present. I will add one more wish, 14-35mm SWD. :bsmilie:
Go ahead and do it if you think I deserve that.
I still wanna say I appreciate all the rest of the contributors to this thread for the helpful input.
Microcosm, you have said many helpful things but I think you should refrain from those unnecessary statements and imaginative deductions on people.
Did Olympus benchmark E-5 to Canon 7D in term of AF performance?
The comparison, as I read from the internet, is image quality.
:angel:yes I'll be a good boy from now on:angel:
u probably gotta buy her a swanky bag and matching shoes/gown as well.. :bsmilie:
Well, let me jump in since I have been away. Firstly, I think Chua Beng was too sensitive. I was quite surprised by his response. Microcosm's response was quite appropriate and benign.
Secondly, I would buy the E5, if it were available in KL this weekend! :bsmilie:
Why? Because if I want to get something that has the equivalent of the E5, I need to pay up to 2 x the price, at least. Sure....its a smaller sensor, COMPARED to the APSC and the full-frame, and the low light is supposedly, not so great, but really, Im happy with my photos. I shoot great jpegs, and I dun waste time shooting RAW, or having to process RAW files. What I shoot, I literally and post nearly immediately with satisfactory to great results. Also, I only occasionally crop, since the FOV is 100%, what I compose, is exactly, what I needed.
What matters to me now is lack of IS. Cameras with no in-body IS, really, is more of trouble than anything. It means that u really have to be a professional and lug a tripod with you everywhere you go so that u can take tack-sharp photos. I went travelling recently and I had my E3/12-60 combo with me. I shot everything handheld----sunrise, landscape etc. No tripod. All my photos were tack sharp to me. There are a bunch of other people with me using Canon mostly, and some Nikon. Most of them were shooting with tripods. I dun know why, but it seems that they obviously feel that they NEED to shoot with tripods although I was shooting just fine hand-held. Perhaps they had to do mirror-lock (to neutralize mirror slap vibration) or they had to shoot at shutter speeds where they are not confident that there will be shakes. For me, I just dun see the need for the tripod, even for my sunrise shots....so.....I like to keep it simple and the E3 system, allows me to keep things simple...and light.
Secondly, I appreciate the comment about DOF....I think a lot of people judge camera performance using the camera's LCD. I know that the bokeh effect looks amazing on the camera LCD. But have you ever pixel peeped these photos. The bokeh may look great, but the areas which are supposedly sharp, u end up either with what alberti mentioned....one eye sharp, the other eye blur.....or there may be some motion blur because of lack of IS or mirror slap. So I second what was said, on the 4/3 system, I can shoot wide open and not worry about lack of DOF. Secondly, if I want bokeh, (which I actually rarely feel the need to - I dun know what is the preoccupation with it), I just shoot at f2 and keep the subject close, or I post-process for bokeh, both of which I honestly, have not felt the need to want to do. So actually, I am not concerned about this issue at all, but if someone feels that something needs to be proven, I am sure the 4/3 community can start a thread titled "Bokeh on 4/3 system" and everyone can post all their 4/3 bokehs, and we can all make a point.
So for practical and real reasons of cost, and overall system compactness (ie. no need to lug around tripod, shutter cable etc, and other ancillary stuff), I think the E5 is still a very high value system with very little or decreasing disadvantages (low light performance) compared to the other full-frame systems.
PS. Look at the new Canon 60D. See how they are marketing the 270 deg swivel LCD. They make it look like they are the pioneer. If only Olympus had the sense to market the E3 like this when it first came out. But of course, this is where perhaps, Olympus does not put enough money into...which is good...and bad at the same time.
Totally agree with Oly5050.
The JPEGs from most, if not all Olympus cameras are perfect. For those who have known that I've switched to Canon, I can tell you, I have to change my workflow to accommodate RAW processing, as the JPEGs out of camera is :nono:.
And the comment regarding how bokeh looks nice on the LCD is quite true. LOL. View on a bigger screen and you'll realise how some parts are a little OOF.
Just some thoughts.![]()
Well, let me jump in since I have been away. Firstly, I think Chua Beng was too sensitive. I was quite surprised by his response. Microcosm's response was quite appropriate and benign.
Secondly, I would buy the E5, if it were available in KL this weekend! :bsmilie:
Why? Because if I want to get something that has the equivalent of the E5, I need to pay up to 2 x the price, at least. Sure....its a smaller sensor, COMPARED to the APSC and the full-frame, and the low light is supposedly, not so great, but really, Im happy with my photos. I shoot great jpegs, and I dun waste time shooting RAW, or having to process RAW files. What I shoot, I literally and post nearly immediately with satisfactory to great results. Also, I only occasionally crop, since the FOV is 100%, what I compose, is exactly, what I needed.
What matters to me now is lack of IS. Cameras with no in-body IS, really, is more of trouble than anything. It means that u really have to be a professional and lug a tripod with you everywhere you go so that u can take tack-sharp photos. I went travelling recently and I had my E3/12-60 combo with me. I shot everything handheld----sunrise, landscape etc. No tripod. All my photos were tack sharp to me. There are a bunch of other people with me using Canon mostly, and some Nikon. Most of them were shooting with tripods. I dun know why, but it seems that they obviously feel that they NEED to shoot with tripods although I was shooting just fine hand-held. Perhaps they had to do mirror-lock (to neutralize mirror slap vibration) or they had to shoot at shutter speeds where they are not confident that there will be shakes. For me, I just dun see the need for the tripod, even for my sunrise shots....so.....I like to keep it simple and the E3 system, allows me to keep things simple...and light.
Secondly, I appreciate the comment about DOF....I think a lot of people judge camera performance using the camera's LCD. I know that the bokeh effect looks amazing on the camera LCD. But have you ever pixel peeped these photos. The bokeh may look great, but the areas which are supposedly sharp, u end up either with what alberti mentioned....one eye sharp, the other eye blur.....or there may be some motion blur because of lack of IS or mirror slap. So I second what was said, on the 4/3 system, I can shoot wide open and not worry about lack of DOF. Secondly, if I want bokeh, (which I actually rarely feel the need to - I dun know what is the preoccupation with it), I just shoot at f2 and keep the subject close, or I post-process for bokeh, both of which I honestly, have not felt the need to want to do. So actually, I am not concerned about this issue at all, but if someone feels that something needs to be proven, I am sure the 4/3 community can start a thread titled "Bokeh on 4/3 system" and everyone can post all their 4/3 bokehs, and we can all make a point.
So for practical and real reasons of cost, and overall system compactness (ie. no need to lug around tripod, shutter cable etc, and other ancillary stuff), I think the E5 is still a very high value system with very little or decreasing disadvantages (low light performance) compared to the other full-frame systems.
PS. Look at the new Canon 60D. See how they are marketing the 270 deg swivel LCD. They make it look like they are the pioneer. If only Olympus had the sense to market the E3 like this when it first came out. But of course, this is where perhaps, Olympus does not put enough money into...which is good...and bad at the same time.