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hi all,
This thread has proved to be more entertaining than I expected. There are more charged emotions in viewers of this thread than there ever will be in the posted photos. But thats the whole point right, to have fun.. hahah.
I shant take any sides. Look at something long enough, even a photo taken by a pro you're bound to find something wrong with it. Coaching someone to take great photos is an art in itself. I believe that moderation works. We have subject matter experts from both sides of the spectrum with 2 different methods of instructions.
Being too nice never works, but neither does being abrasive...
Well enough off topic talk..
My comments:
1. my concern is not too much on your wb setting but your background. I believe that you are taking the picture near a beach/ water body? (Sand on ground.) The background might be more interesing if you included say the background as a seaside landscape.
2. alternatively you can choose a continuous patch of sand? the concrete strip disrupts and adds clutter to the otherwise workable background.
3. in terms of retouching, you could work on her thumb? a little distracting.
4. Can I ask if that is a bracelet the model is wearing or a watch that is reversed? Either way it looks a little distracting and you could consider the accessories the model wears in the future (This is just my opinion though)
5. WB issues: If you shot in raw, you can play with the sliders until the picture looks good to you. Nothing hard and fast. Too much red and your model will look like she having a cardiac arrest. Too blue will just look flat.
Anyway, keep on snapping. The more you take the more you learn. Take a close look at commercial shots, pictorials, read online tutorials... Have fun ( If you think about it, thats what photography is about after all.)
shalom.
This thread has proved to be more entertaining than I expected. There are more charged emotions in viewers of this thread than there ever will be in the posted photos. But thats the whole point right, to have fun.. hahah.
I shant take any sides. Look at something long enough, even a photo taken by a pro you're bound to find something wrong with it. Coaching someone to take great photos is an art in itself. I believe that moderation works. We have subject matter experts from both sides of the spectrum with 2 different methods of instructions.
Being too nice never works, but neither does being abrasive...
Well enough off topic talk..
My comments:
1. my concern is not too much on your wb setting but your background. I believe that you are taking the picture near a beach/ water body? (Sand on ground.) The background might be more interesing if you included say the background as a seaside landscape.
2. alternatively you can choose a continuous patch of sand? the concrete strip disrupts and adds clutter to the otherwise workable background.
3. in terms of retouching, you could work on her thumb? a little distracting.
4. Can I ask if that is a bracelet the model is wearing or a watch that is reversed? Either way it looks a little distracting and you could consider the accessories the model wears in the future (This is just my opinion though)
5. WB issues: If you shot in raw, you can play with the sliders until the picture looks good to you. Nothing hard and fast. Too much red and your model will look like she having a cardiac arrest. Too blue will just look flat.
Anyway, keep on snapping. The more you take the more you learn. Take a close look at commercial shots, pictorials, read online tutorials... Have fun ( If you think about it, thats what photography is about after all.)
shalom.
dawgbyte77
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1st time post pictures in this gallery
Haha... typical clubsnap "over"-reaction. I stopped posting in portraiture because of this. Anyway, my comment is more technical in nature. Since your title is "one°15", this photo has the signage blurred. I would take with small aperture, maybe around F8 to F11 since it looks sunny. Another I notice is the horizontal plane. The photo looks skewed. I am guilty of that myself, so the next best thing is correct it in photoshop or lightroom but rotating a bit. Hope that help.
zoossh
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i think the backgrounds are pretty distracting (esp diagonal lines in #3) and uninteresting (#1 and #2). i dun have experience with models so i'm speaking from the volume of just simple straightforward portraits from my travel trips, where we have (or do not attempt to exert) almost no control over how the subjects pose or look. the hair around the neck though can be unpleasing, is not at all the most critical factor to me, though it can be the most glaring to the professionals.
i personally prefer very simple designs esp that of ejunlow, which also shows very good attention to simple colors, delicate details and pleasing lightings. do a search and you will see that.
of cos, having the most beautiful and experienced models and a team to take care of make up, dressings and lighting etc, may make much differences, but i think you still can achieve some good results without that.
i personally prefer very simple designs esp that of ejunlow, which also shows very good attention to simple colors, delicate details and pleasing lightings. do a search and you will see that.
of cos, having the most beautiful and experienced models and a team to take care of make up, dressings and lighting etc, may make much differences, but i think you still can achieve some good results without that.
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Taken at F14, ISO200, 1/200. Wanted to make the ONE°15 sharp also.. but not successful.:sweat:
Didn't try higher Aperture that time coz hear a lot about diffraction effects. But looking back, I should have tried to see exactly whether it really soften the picture significantly.;p
Didn't try higher Aperture that time coz hear a lot about diffraction effects. But looking back, I should have tried to see exactly whether it really soften the picture significantly.;p
The distinction between a snapshot and a portraits isn't one of snobbism and doesn't carry any judgement. It's simply a matter of expectation. Snapshots are wonderful and they free you to shoot without thinking and without much efforts. They usually don't yeild the kind of quality of what you can get at serious portraiture. So ts it's ultimately what you really plan to get/create. At least for me the one 15 logo behind as the background in the picture and maybe thread title, simply seems like a snapshot-"try out camera" attempt to me.
So for newcomers who posted here, it's good to know what you do you expect from your pictures and what do you expect from the forumer's reply here in the portraits section. People like dp etc are some of the serious portraiture's photographers. Thus the harsh comments. These pictures to me, have too much of a problems. The angles/same smiles/stiff poses/hair etc etc after these will be compositions/sharpest white balances.. even when these are cleared then it will be lightings/tones/skintones bla bla bla... Thus some did comment it as thrashy material.. Too much problems to even di it right. So please do not get discouraged, shoot more, understand more about portraitures and people's work here to fuel your knowledge and hone ur skills with more shoots if u want to do some serious portraiture. Like markbrian, u look at his lastest work(do a search or his portfolio) and the first pictures he posted at the start as a photographer which he quoted above is kinda like a casual snapshot. You will see the level and skills difference. It can be encouraging.
Cheers and thanks for sharing.
So for newcomers who posted here, it's good to know what you do you expect from your pictures and what do you expect from the forumer's reply here in the portraits section. People like dp etc are some of the serious portraiture's photographers. Thus the harsh comments. These pictures to me, have too much of a problems. The angles/same smiles/stiff poses/hair etc etc after these will be compositions/sharpest white balances.. even when these are cleared then it will be lightings/tones/skintones bla bla bla... Thus some did comment it as thrashy material.. Too much problems to even di it right. So please do not get discouraged, shoot more, understand more about portraitures and people's work here to fuel your knowledge and hone ur skills with more shoots if u want to do some serious portraiture. Like markbrian, u look at his lastest work(do a search or his portfolio) and the first pictures he posted at the start as a photographer which he quoted above is kinda like a casual snapshot. You will see the level and skills difference. It can be encouraging.
Cheers and thanks for sharing.
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night86mare
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typical clubsnap reaction to mold the photo into the title rather than the title into the photo
a picture says a thousand words, if you do it right. that should be what you should be concerned with, doing it right, rather than coming up with a title and snapping photos to fit into the title. an exception is a photoseries. even then, even if a good photo does not fit into a photoseries when we try, it still remains a good photo. a photograph is judged by many things, but i think the title should be given a very very very small priority.
if the title isn't right , by all means, change it.
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night86mare
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there is going to be a limit to depth of field when you are using longer focal lengths
i'm sure you already know the few things that affect DOF
1) aperture settings
2) focal length
3) subject/background relative distance
4) sensor size
if you MUST have a sharp background (which i think very unnecessary here, i don't find the background complementary in any way), try using focus stack, one for the background, one for the model.
well, i have to agree on some of those comment given.. but back to TS.
Did u encounter any security issue with shooting over at 1deg 15. I have reservation thoughts about shooting there for bridal. Are we "guarded" or forbidden "bcos" the area is owned by them..
Any guys here pls enlighten.
Thks lots
Did u encounter any security issue with shooting over at 1deg 15. I have reservation thoughts about shooting there for bridal. Are we "guarded" or forbidden "bcos" the area is owned by them..
Any guys here pls enlighten.
Thks lots
dawgbyte77
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Well, there are constructive criticism like what you did below, and another in which the tone is unnecessary. First of all, this is a newbie who did a newbie shoot. And the first response is an exasperation of him doing a common mistake. For me, THERE will always mistake on a newbie picture, or else he is lying about being a newbie.
And on the background, yeah.. I kinda agree with you.. but then without the signage, its kinda wasted to actually be in one°15 without including the background. Agree also that the angle or setting is not the best, and no one can advice without actually being there, so I can only comment on what I perceive as the attempt. But the angle and framing do makes it boring. Some clouds would have really punched it up. But based on the shadow on her face, I think the fluffly clouds, if there are, was behind you. So what I would do is probably shoot as anything but eye level, using wider focal lens, and make the background more interesting. But then, my take will be that she is part of the location and not a stand-alone portraiture.
I also remember it can be windy at the docks. So flying hair can happen. Maybe she should have untied her hair and be more jumpy and make it a dynamic photo.
I think it depends if you look like you belong there or not. My friend rented a boat a few weeks ago. I went there, asked direction from the lobby, walk around with camera and started snapping, so far no one asked for my ID. But then, I just look like a tourist/visitor shooting here and there. I also didn't see any security around the dock, each dock has its own private gate where you need to buzz the captain, so I think that kinda make the security redundant, unless you do something suspicious and one of the captain reported you in.
We went in, walk around, and started snapping.. then after a while a guard came over and told us that it is private property and photography is not allowed w/o permission. So we made our exit.
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If you go in for bridal, most likely you would be chased out for the reason above. Oni GWC maybe they not so sensitive, but GWC + model then maybe it'll trigger some reaction, I guess.
Also, that time (Jul/08), there is a lot of construction in the background, and it can be quite difficult to get a good background. Not sure about now.
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If you go in for bridal, most likely you would be chased out for the reason above. Oni GWC maybe they not so sensitive, but GWC + model then maybe it'll trigger some reaction, I guess.
Also, that time (Jul/08), there is a lot of construction in the background, and it can be quite difficult to get a good background. Not sure about now.
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Yup.. you're right to say that she is part of the location rather then a stand alone portraiture for the 1st picture.
For the other pictures, just wanna get some feedback on the portraiture. As there is no specific theme, I just put the location of the shoot.
For the other pictures, just wanna get some feedback on the portraiture. As there is no specific theme, I just put the location of the shoot.
Thanks for the advise
No worries.. since I've decided to post, I'm prepared for all kind of comments
And hopefully to learn from it;p and indeed there is many things to learn from the various feedback
No worries.. since I've decided to post, I'm prepared for all kind of comments
And hopefully to learn from it;p and indeed there is many things to learn from the various feedback
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ejunlow
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I second that....
Who cares what people write.. who cares how you shoot as long as you shot it... if you're out to learn... be free to post up and hear the various comments.... Also, u dont just become a pro with skills.. u become a pro with attitude as well...
I might not be a pro... but i appreciate your attitude to take things in well... just something for you to think about.... Photography is a service industry.... if any "pro" dont appeal to you because of his/her particular personality... .. i don't think they'd be getting much commisions either... haha... it's better to be a rich amatuer than a POOR pro...
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Kimura_papaya
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1st time post pictures in this gallery
yes give me a V..hehe...however, in any portrait shoot..V should be avoid...:think: ....wow..uncle DP scream at u..good on u.
Both actually..
Images that matters to me is when Photography is a science, The science of capturing the moment and make it last forever. Equipment matters most. Correct focus, correct white balance, Low noise, etc.. No PP.. Photo should be technically accurate to what is seen in reality.
Pictures that pleases others is when Photography is an art. The art of making beautiful paintwork of light that is attractive to others, and not necessarily representing the whole truth. Equipment doesn't matter as much as skill(artistic). Take the picture with objective in sight, and adjust focus, White Balance as is necessary. Apply as much PP as required.
If the picture can make people(model/subject/client) happy:vhappy:, why not? And maybe in the process can make some income ;p to help support the hobby
I guess it is no harm to learn to take Photographs that is pleasing to others.
Images that matters to me is when Photography is a science, The science of capturing the moment and make it last forever. Equipment matters most. Correct focus, correct white balance, Low noise, etc.. No PP.. Photo should be technically accurate to what is seen in reality.
Pictures that pleases others is when Photography is an art. The art of making beautiful paintwork of light that is attractive to others, and not necessarily representing the whole truth. Equipment doesn't matter as much as skill(artistic). Take the picture with objective in sight, and adjust focus, White Balance as is necessary. Apply as much PP as required.
If the picture can make people(model/subject/client) happy:vhappy:, why not? And maybe in the process can make some income ;p to help support the hobby
I guess it is no harm to learn to take Photographs that is pleasing to others.
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bEnd1ck
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You mean as real as seen thru the human eye?
Unfortunately, your camera just isnt as powerful as the human eye. So, some degree of PP is still required most of the time.
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