There already is a thread with the EXACT same question from another user here:
http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=243568
Like I said, same exact question...check out that thread.
Olympus E500 or Canon 400D?
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There already is a thread with the EXACT same question from another user here:
http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=243568
Like I said, same exact question...check out that thread.
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Gee... again, this is not the same thing is it?
Maybe I'm just not expressing myself very well, but I'm referring to a comparison of E-500 body vs L1 body features... not a (E-500 + FL50) vs L1 body features. :dunno:
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Next time PM me ok? Cheers.
Now, wouldn't you consider which system produces a better picture first? :bsmilie:
Please give a REAL reason why you would want the TS to go for Canon.
Well.. i just said the main reason for him, an amateur for the DSLR, is that there is a huge second hand market for Canon/Nikon's stuff. I have seen many amateur got excited by this new hobby only to quit 3 months later, suffering huge losses when selling their camera and lens.
Any modern DSLR is already producing images sufficient for most hobby users (4R/8R prints). Better images are always subjective.. my friend. You can have wonderful camera system, but with poor composition, you still will not have a good images.
You might heard that the grip is too small for the 400D. Well, you are not supposed to grip the camera that hard with a DSLR. Get your basics right! Proper DSLR technique requires you to support the camera from the lens, leave the other hand relax for better triggering. You will know if you're a SAF marksman.
Any modern DSLR is already producing images sufficient for most hobby users (4R/8R prints). Better images are always subjective.. my friend. You can have wonderful camera system, but with poor composition, you still will not have a good images.
You might heard that the grip is too small for the 400D. Well, you are not supposed to grip the camera that hard with a DSLR. Get your basics right! Proper DSLR technique requires you to support the camera from the lens, leave the other hand relax for better triggering. You will know if you're a SAF marksman.
As I say, I did report it using the red triangle.
If anyone is willing to part with their money for a DSLR, it isn't a "huge loss".
The E-500 twin lens kit is still cheaper than the 400D, in whatever combination.
The Oly 2nd hand market isn't all that bad, the 14-54mm, 11-22mm, 40-150mm, 50-200mm and 50mm macro are always in demand.
Image quality <> composition; obviously composition depends of the fella behind the camera, at the same time I'd expect nicely saturated, contrasty and striking colours out of the box.
Where ergonomics are concerned, if you don't like the feel of the camera, nothing in the world can make you like the feel of the camera (except maybe if you got the camera free, maybe...)
Posting this as I'm also deciding between a switch of sytem.. Currently, I have the D70 kit for about 2yrs+. Have been looking for a better quality lens over the kit lens. Am looking at the D200+17-55mm combo.
I like the Olympus IQ as I have used the E1 before, and the IQ blew my socks off!! So Joe, may I know your experience between the D200+17-55mm as opposed to the E500+14-54mm+ME-1. This is exactly the system I'm looking at. Do you also have any experience with Canon 30D+ EF-S 17-55mm?
Of couse price wise, $$(Oly) < $$(Canon) < $$(Nikon). Other than that, what abt the built/handling, viewfinder(Nikon's 0.94 mag vs the Oly. w/ME-1 and their respective brightness), AF accuracy/speed? Btw, how much did your package(e-500+14-54mm+ME-1) come up to?
The ZD 14-54mm is almost as good as/ better than the Nikkor 17-55mm at 1/3 the price. :thumbsup: Also, I saw Oly has the 14-35mm f2.0 coming soon. :bigeyes:
What do the rest say??
Assuming the cams are similarly priced and comparing just O, C and N (all this is merely my opinion):
Build-Quality: (1=O, 2=N, 3=C)
VF: Tie
AF Speed: (1=C, 2=N, 3=O)
AF Accuracy: (1=O, 2=N, 3=C)
Price of Cams and lenses (most ex to most affordable): (1=N, 2=C, 3=O)
Price of other accessories: (1=O, 2=N, 3=C)
IQ out of Cam: Personal preference really, but no prizes to what I like best
Lens Range (extensiveness): (1=C, 2=N, 3=O)
But all this is really arbitrary; worked within each systems' limitation and making use of their strengths, I still find the Oly a simpler, lighter system with IQ up there with the best.
Build-Quality: (1=O, 2=N, 3=C)
VF: Tie
AF Speed: (1=C, 2=N, 3=O)
AF Accuracy: (1=O, 2=N, 3=C)
Price of Cams and lenses (most ex to most affordable): (1=N, 2=C, 3=O)
Price of other accessories: (1=O, 2=N, 3=C)
IQ out of Cam: Personal preference really, but no prizes to what I like best
Lens Range (extensiveness): (1=C, 2=N, 3=O)
But all this is really arbitrary; worked within each systems' limitation and making use of their strengths, I still find the Oly a simpler, lighter system with IQ up there with the best.
Just to add:forget about the kit lens. they are good, very good in fact when compared to other manufacturers' lenses, but when compared to the ZD "pro" lens they pale significantly. A good start is the ZD 14-54mm. Very fast, very sharp! And then add - depending on budget and needs - the ZD 50mm/f2.0 (superb lens!) - and then ZD 50-200 and on the other end the ZD 7-14mm.
Hi Big Bird,
Not had the chance to own the Canon 30d with the new lens, but had the older 20d with the 17-85 IS as well as the 24-105 f4 L lens. That was before I went back to the dark side;
I would not venture to say the that Zuiko lens I have now is as good as the 17-55; its not as fast, and not as well built. Also the front of the 14-54 xtends more than I would personally like. Also because of this dust seems to gather a little but it is supposed to be weather sealed...
It is considerably lighter on the pocket and the camera and pictures thus far are very nice.
It works for me - am not familiar with MTF charts, and do not pixel peep, look at 100% magnification and look at the edge sharpness, etc.
In many ways the D200 is easier to handle but there's a lot of familiarity there where I am still new to Olympus. The D200 is a huge mother of a body even without the extra grip, and the controls and menu system are easy to use, intuitive and the buttons seem to make sense. The Olympus (new to me) is not difficult, but not as easy as the Nikon. Also there's less on camera help. The manual is ok, but I really need to spend more time getting used to everything. I do like the preset WB button that enables me to set the white balance easily and takes the guess work out of things. I miss however the LCD displays that come with the D200 and the bigger semi-pro dslrs. This is cos I find the menu display always on (though it can be turned off) and it is distracting when I look through the view finder. The viewfinder seems to be a controversial issue, but it is good enough - just don't try and look thru the 5D one and compare - if not you'll never be happy.
One more thing - the 17-55 is not an L lens; and whilst it may give good pictures, it is probably not as well built as the Zuiko one 14-54 and that's all I can say. Leave the measurements and comparisons to the experts.
The 30D however, will offer a tremendous advantage when it comes to using high ISO - would not be surprised if the 1600 settings are much quieter and offer a better picture than Olys' at 800 - but for me this is not a major issue. And to be fair, the 30D costs twice as much as the Oly E500 or E400.
If you look around the web, i think you'll find many serious photographers that have managed very beautiful images with the e500 and zuiko lenses. They may be using this as a second or even their main camera. While it may not shout so loud about how good it is like some of the other Canon's and Nikons, it can easily do the job for me.
For me - tis less camera to carry, more money in the bank and more options.
Happy for now - we'll see what happens when the Leica Digilux 3 comes with the nice lens... but for $4000 or so - I think its too much. Could easily but another nice lens or two...
Merry Christmas Guys & Gals,
joe
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Tomcat, I was browsing through the manual of L1. I don't see external WB sensor mentioned.
tomcat
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So you bought a L1?
The white balance sensor is listed as 'IR sensor' in the breakdown of camera body component parts on Pg 10. Its function in AWB determination is described in the lower left corner of Pg 70.
Keep your sales to B&S forum not here. :nono:
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