microcosm
Senior Member
I guess E-30 users have a better reason to upgrade. Most E3 users kinda feel short changed. I amo keeping my hopes hig for a pro specced Pen now. If that is ever to see the light of day.
[ OFFICIAL RELEASE 2010.09.14 ] - Olympus E-5
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I guess E-30 users have a better reason to upgrade. Most E3 users kinda feel short changed. I amo keeping my hopes hig for a pro specced Pen now. If that is ever to see the light of day.
Evilmerlin
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I'm an E-30 user but already owning an E-PL1, I'm not in such a hurry to upgrade. The only advantage that the E-5 really gives me is that I can natively use my 4/3 lenses for video.
I'll wait till the price drops or they do an awesome bundle with the 12-60.
I'll wait till the price drops or they do an awesome bundle with the 12-60.
microcosm
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Same as me! :bsmilie:
Wah, exams and studying has made me super tired I fell asleep,a bit hard to keep up with what you guys talking about. Boss, what you said made me laugh after just waking up :bsmilie: But its true, I miss the E-1 handling... I'm recently drawn to using E-1 to shoot almost everything now, but the sad part is sometimes I need the IS and the resolution, but my dear E-1 is still outside the "retirement" home
All E3 users. Well, let's see how the image quality of the new camera improves. I might get impulsive at the shop or Olympus China makes me an offer I cannot refuse. Which is highly unlikely.
If you have invested more than $10k on the lenses, you naturally would wish for better camera bodies to be released.
That is simply dumb.. A pro camera with newbie functions. Someone is very confused in Olympus. So what Olympus is really saying is that the new flagship camera is now a serious amateur camera. The pro has left the building.
For a pro, most of the effects are already sitting in Photoshop as an action library, how much time do you think it takes a pro to edit an image? A week? Product line was left in the hands of the village fool, most likely surname Bush.
wrx_sti_22b
Senior Member
I was using Olympus from E-330 onwards, to the E-3... then sorry, i migrated to Pentax K-7 this year.
microcosm
Senior Member
Well, I yelled. Screaming is for girls. Heehee...
You are right. You will most likely get it because it is a true E1 replacement, or at least close. For those with E3, Olympus will most likely up the price for repairs so that E3 users will be forced to buy the new camera (or claim no parts, convenient excuse). But if everything is thinking like me, the new flagship camera will drop in prices really soon.
Notice the high selling price of the E5? They are making pros pay for the other things we do not need.... Like Art Filters. On the Pen it is a nice novelty for the amateurs. But to charge a pro for it, the village idiot must have been high on something. Maybe the pros in Japan don't know how to use Photoshop. To be fair, let's see how fast the new engine renders an image on the E5. If it takes the same time as the current Pen to shoot a grainy film or diorama image, someone is going to get hurt at Olympus.
But if it processes the hard core Art Filters at real time speed, then heat issue will arise because of the faster processor, hence the new batteries.
Good news though for assistants wannabe. You can gewt a job as a "battery assistant". Upgrade from Sherpa.
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wrx_sti_22b
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The Pentax K-7 came along & beat the E-3 in my opinion... in term of price too... now the E-5 debut, the Pentax K-5 will again come along & beat it, in term of price too.
From E-3 to E-5 3yrs? Look at Pentax K-7 to K-5, 1yr or so? Like Microcosm said, Olympus is lazy or wat? 3 long years later i expect more in this flagship dSLR body. Just add 720p movie, some art filters, & upgrade to a 3.0" 920k pixel screen. The 12mp sensor taken out from other lower end dSLR, photo quality i can't say becoz i haven't seen it. Is that all? Luckily i left.
From E-3 to E-5 3yrs? Look at Pentax K-7 to K-5, 1yr or so? Like Microcosm said, Olympus is lazy or wat? 3 long years later i expect more in this flagship dSLR body. Just add 720p movie, some art filters, & upgrade to a 3.0" 920k pixel screen. The 12mp sensor taken out from other lower end dSLR, photo quality i can't say becoz i haven't seen it. Is that all? Luckily i left.
After mulling over it for, er, 20 minutes, coupled with my China bro's rant earlier, I've decided to pen my thoughts on the E-5:
The E-5 is reverse engineered. Normally, the new technologies would go into the flagship product and then is flowed down the line. Not so for the E-5, apparently:
1. It uses the E-3 chassis
2. It uses the E-3's AF module
3. It uses the E-3's pentaprism
4. It uses the EPL-1's sensor
5. It uses a modified EPL-1 image processing engine
Analysis: Olympus R & D is no longer working on traditional DSLR technologies, and this is supported by the recent comments from the Olympus bigwigs.
Assessment: The E-5, and perhaps one more body to replace the E-620, are possibly the last traditional DSLR from Olympus. Subsequent 4/3 cameras would likely be mirrorless, but that's the obvious conclusion. What would be interesting is how would Olympus then differentiate 4/3 from m4/3?
1. Olympus abandons 4/3 - possible but unlikely in the short to medium term. Olympus knows its strength is in the optics, and it would be industrial suicide if they do before they have a equivalent lens lineup for m4/3.
2. 4/3 becomes a larger-sensored system - if 4/3 takes on the mould of m4/3, then a larger sensor may be introduced to exploit the larger image circle generated by regular 4/3 lenses. of course that would entail software correction just like m4/3.
3. 4/3 becomes a modular system - there were some rumours about this, but i wouldn't hold my breath on this one, yet.
Now, the E-5 must must must deliver on the IQ - it is going to be very difficult to keep the 4/3 faithful faithful otherwise, and then Olympus must give a clear indication, e.g. launching a new HG 4/3 lens, that the 4/3 optics would not be abandoned, or become a luxury retrofit for m4/3.
The E-5 is reverse engineered. Normally, the new technologies would go into the flagship product and then is flowed down the line. Not so for the E-5, apparently:
1. It uses the E-3 chassis
2. It uses the E-3's AF module
3. It uses the E-3's pentaprism
4. It uses the EPL-1's sensor
5. It uses a modified EPL-1 image processing engine
Analysis: Olympus R & D is no longer working on traditional DSLR technologies, and this is supported by the recent comments from the Olympus bigwigs.
Assessment: The E-5, and perhaps one more body to replace the E-620, are possibly the last traditional DSLR from Olympus. Subsequent 4/3 cameras would likely be mirrorless, but that's the obvious conclusion. What would be interesting is how would Olympus then differentiate 4/3 from m4/3?
1. Olympus abandons 4/3 - possible but unlikely in the short to medium term. Olympus knows its strength is in the optics, and it would be industrial suicide if they do before they have a equivalent lens lineup for m4/3.
2. 4/3 becomes a larger-sensored system - if 4/3 takes on the mould of m4/3, then a larger sensor may be introduced to exploit the larger image circle generated by regular 4/3 lenses. of course that would entail software correction just like m4/3.
3. 4/3 becomes a modular system - there were some rumours about this, but i wouldn't hold my breath on this one, yet.
Now, the E-5 must must must deliver on the IQ - it is going to be very difficult to keep the 4/3 faithful faithful otherwise, and then Olympus must give a clear indication, e.g. launching a new HG 4/3 lens, that the 4/3 optics would not be abandoned, or become a luxury retrofit for m4/3.
I can't use my zuikos on pentax... :sticktong
:thumbsup::bsmilie:
Anthony Lee
Senior Member
4/3 was rosy enough for Olympus to chuck their total legacy a few years ago. Then they must have realised 4/3 shortcomings and went into m4/3. As sensor technology advances, it appears more difficult to push a small 4/3 sensor to achieve competitive quality and I am sure Olympus knows this. The E-5 must be some sort of a stop gap. I hope they concentrate on the m4/3 and research into bringing back the old OM mount on a new FF sensor DSLR.
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Maybe,but we're talking about E-5 lacking of features, so how does it play into that then?
Maybe,but we're talking about E-5 lacking of features, so how does it play into that then?
lacking because you need it, or because others have it (even if you wont use it)? that was my point
to me major issue is the price, it should have been priced cheaper...
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lacking because you need it, or because others have it (even if you wont use it)? that was my point
to me major issue is the price, it should have been priced cheaper...
Uh, we don't know pricing yet.
Again we cannot read too much into the "suggested" pricing for Europe.
I don't think Olympus has the resources to create a whole new line of FF lenses and bodies.
Since the future of the line is supposedly m4/3rd, I am very interested to see how much effort they are going to put into getting the 4/3rd lenses to work with the future m4/3rd bodies.
Like it or not, Art Filters are being pushed as a Unique Selling Point of the brand. So of course the flagship will have it. Anyway, its not as though it is something terribly hard to implement, given that most of the work has been done for the PENs.
Well, E-5 is targeted at the professionals and serious amateurs. Judging from the press release, the main selling point is the image quality. If a professional don't need the Art Filters then he/she can choose not to use it. The difference now is that the Art Filters are now part of the Picture Mode, thus giving a photographer full control over the image parameters.
In my opinion, Olympus should also develop an advanced version of Viewer for professionals and serious amateurs. That's the only software that a photographer can get true Olympus colours when post-possessing is required.
lacking because you need it, or because others have it (even if you wont use it)? that was my point
to me major issue is the price, it should have been priced cheaper...
Hmmm... I have no idea,hahahah, but I'm gonna stay still and wait and see, its like... chess I guess,a waiting game
Actually I think they do, but what would be the point? That's as good as admitting that 4/3s is not good,likewise for the other brand, if they drop theirs to make 4/3s,its as good as admitting 4/3 is good. I think that the modular idea wouldn't be too bad for m4/3 bodies using 4/3 lenses other than adapter, could make it even more versatile, I had day dreams about how the modular system would actually be like :bsmilie:
I agree with both points, but kinda wasteful to spend money on features that are in a way not needed, but the price will eventually drop and as what Microcosm said,probably only E-3 users will feel shortchange, but I think that the problem is it really affects working photogs rather than hobbyist, if like, just shooting for fun, one thing I can say is don't let this affect you too much, if working photogs, since its their livelihood, I can understand their unhappy feelings. Olympus could create an advance version of viewer, but programs such as Aperture and Photoshop probably makes it redundant to have to write a whole new advance version of viewer
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